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[60 driver]

How pathetic is it for a SVS guy to get counseled for calling the DFAC a chow hall... point in case me

Off topic, but since it would be hard to ###### this thread up any worse than it already is, I'll go ahead and ask.

It took me over a decade to realize that when some shithead said "you mean DFAC" whenever I said "chow hall", they weren't going for a cheap sarcastic laugh. Over the years, it's finally dawned on me that people actually get pissed about this. I've seen it. But I don't get it.

Since you are clearly a subject matter expert, I have 3 questions.

A) Why does anyone give a ###### if I call it a chow hall?

B) Why would anyone counsel you (or bother even mentioning it to me) for calling it a chow hall?

C) What rationale does the SG give you explaining why you should give a ######?

I hope you can clear this up for me, because it's on the short list of gayest things I can think of in the AF.

Now back to "what should I fly".

[WeMeantWell]

Just was wondering what some really cool airframes are out there and interesting jobs such as the B-1 "BONE" or the B-52, anybody out there with experience in airframes that they loved that can share some info on certain ones?

Thanks for elaborating on what you believe to be "cool" airplanes, by specifically naming 2, you immediately alienated every other operator out there, good job with that. I think you will find it difficult to find anyone with experience in an airframe they love.

I personally like the airplanes that the Civil Air Patrol fly. They are super fast, have lots of good air conditioning, and radios that are spot on... and they almost never crash, and when they do, you just have to climb out of the power wires, most of the AF cool airframes are not mistake friendly...

Did I mention that hooters girls work at every FBO and love to hang out with CAP guys, they even get to progress through the rank system like a candy store, what could be better? I think you might be a little too much of a hard charger for the AF, this might be a better path for you.

[Guest Hueypilot812]

...I have to uphold the Seminole traditions hear...

...You are not making it easy for me.

You aren't making it any easier for yourself either...I'm assuming they taught you to use the word "here" instead of "hear" at FSU? Damn, and I thought going to college in Louisiana was bad...

Edited February 5, 2009 by Hueypilot812

[Guest taxcollector]

Off topic, but since it would be hard to ###### this thread up any worse than it already is, I'll go ahead and ask.

It took me over a decade to realize that when some shithead said "you mean DFAC" whenever I said "chow hall", they weren't going for a cheap sarcastic laugh. Over the years, it's finally dawned on me that people actually get pissed about this. I've seen it. But I don't get it.

Since you are clearly a subject matter expert, I have 3 questions.

A) Why does anyone give a ###### if I call it a chow hall?

B) Why would anyone counsel you (or bother even mentioning it to me) for calling it a chow hall?

C) What rationale does the SG give you explaining why you should give a ######?

I hope you can clear this up for me, because it's on the short list of gayest things I can think of in the AF.

Now back to "what should I fly".

60,

A.) Some people take offense to it, I don't understand it myself. To me food is food; call it whatever chow, grub, etc - if it taste good it taste good regardless of what it's called. Some of my old supervisors actually think the word chow, grub, etc is a direct correlation to the quality of the food they made or the overall taste; they simply don't realize that it's military terminolgy. The "Dining Hall" is a place to eat, call it chow hall, mess hall, a cafeteria, whatever. I personnally like the history of calling it a chow hall. It's one of those things where I think the air force is trying to further it's identity from our sister services, and calling it a DFAC increases the thought of quality of life, if that makes sense - but that is a couple of reasons explained as to why I should call it a chow hall. In a nutshell "Pride"

**I've even seen someone corrected at a deployed location for calling it a chow hall when TCN's cook the food and all we do is QA. I honest to God think it's a way to battle inferiority complex. I just can't seem to wrap my head around it.

B.) I ask myself this question regularly. I honest to God don't know, but about 1 month ago, I got stopped by my superintendent and counseled for a good 15 minutes because I didn't have the SVS occupational badge on my uniform (last time I checked this was optional). He proceeded to firmly tell me that his generation fought hard to earn the right to have an occupational badge, when the Air Force didn't authorize a badge to be worn and I should be considered lucky to wear it. That my give some inside to the general rationale of the senior leadership in SVS. Again, maybe it has to do with battling an inferiority complex, hell I don't know.

C.) I am going to go out on a limb and make the assuption that they think by correcting you, you are instantly enlightened and will have a greater appreciation for their services. Maybe because if you refer to it as a dining hall, you will subconsciously have a better quality of life. Nevermind, that would be giving way too much thought and credit for anyone who has taken offense to something so trivial.

Hope that helped,

Cheers!

-Tax

[Guest Hueypilot812]

First story...I know of a couple people that were deployed to a certain location in the early years of OIF/OEF (ok, it's OMDM). The operators got there well before the SVS folks did, and life was fairly good because they did things their way. Finally at some point Big Blue appeared (ie, SVS) and started making life difficult for no apparent reason (because they could). So at a staff meeting, the ops folks were ranting about the SVS folks not doing their job, when the SVS/CC apparently (and famously) stated "this base would be so much better if the flyers weren't around".

Second story...was at OKAS a while back, and another guy I know goes to the gym, and the conversation comes up with the guys behind the desk...this guy (Herk pilot) proceeds to ask the gym folks if they know why the Herks are there, and they respond "sure, they are here to bring us all our supplies and stuff".

Nice. Goes to show that some truly do believe that SVS or whatever other support function IS the mission.

[Guest Bender]

Good thing my orgasms are not directly related to the requirements for a "classic" thread.

Premature ejaculation of the "classic" kind.

...never a good thing. This thread sucks.

BENDY

[60 driver]

A.) I honest to God think it's a way to battle inferiority complex. I just can't seem to wrap my head around it.

I agree with you there. Of course, when you ask a Services Food Preparation Journeyman at the DFAC what they do, every one of them will tell you "I'm a cook at the chow hall." So I've never been sure whose honor is being defended, or why it needs to be.

Anyway.

Since I've shit on this thread not once but twice now, here is my reply to the original question.

OP - I've flown a whole bunch of different airplanes (as have most here) and all of them have been fun, for different reasons.

I loved flying trainers because they were simple and fun to fly and it is probably the only time you will ever get paid to go out and do aerobatics until you are ready to throw up.

I loved flying attack airplanes because I had the best seat in the house every time I flew, and I would go out with 1 or 3 of my closest friends and blow shit up, fly low level, and visit developing countries to blow their shit up in support of our bros on the ground. There's no better mission than that. Great dudes, great airplane.

I love flying helicopters because you are right down in the thick of things, and with a FLIR, goggles and 3-6 of your closest friends, you can go places and do things that most of your fixed-wing buddies absolutely will not believe. We visit developing countries, fly 100 feet and below in nights blacker than 6 feet up a bull's ass and pick up wounded soldiers and take them to the hospital. There's no more satisfying mission to me than that. Great dudes, great helicopter.

I've never flown air force cargo airplanes or bombers or any of the many others I'm forgetting, but all of them have similar stories. When you talk to those guys at the bar, strangely enough, at least once during that conversation they'll say something along the lines of "There's no more satisfying mission - it's a great airplane and I fly with a bunch of great guys."

I've also flown a bunch of civilian shit that I won't bore you with here, but all of those airplanes and jobs were enjoyable for different reasons as well. I guess my point is, if you like flying, you're probably going to like flying, no matter what airplane you're in.

Ok I'm done, back to sarcasm and thread derails.

Edited February 5, 2009 by 60 driver

[HerkDerka]

Really? For fuck's sake dude...if you're that lazy, then save yourself the trouble and have fun in services.

Ouch. That was like taking off a band-aid....RIGHT OFF!

HD

[ClearedHot]

[AEWingsMN]

she looks like she's ready to accept more than just the walk ons.

[usaf36031]

B.) I ask myself this question regularly. I honest to God don't know, but about 1 month ago, I got stopped by my superintendent and counseled for a good 15 minutes because I didn't have the SVS occupational badge on my uniform (last time I checked this was optional). He proceeded to firmly tell me that his generation fought hard to earn the right to have an occupational badge, when the Air Force didn't authorize a badge to be worn and I should be considered lucky to wear it. That my give some inside to the general rationale of the senior leadership in SVS. Again, maybe it has to do with battling an inferiority complex, hell I don't know.

Actually...It has to do with the desire to EXPRESS yourself. You DO want to express yourself don't you?

Brian over there, has on THIRTY SEVEN pieces of flare, and a great smile to boot....

[Guest Krabs]

Topic derail: ClearedHot's avatar = win

[Fud]

Topic derail: ClearedHot's avatar = win

I 2nd the motion.

[B*D*A]

...and a great smile to boot....

She has a face? Tomorrow you'll be telling me she has feelings...

[aspec]

Did you really join AFROTC with no knowledge of any aircraft in the Air Force inventory?

Sadly, most of the cadets in AFROTC have no phucking clue on the USAF aircraft inventory. I'm not talking specifics but I could post a picture of a Su-25 and people would call it an F-22. I do recall having a test on USAF aircraft recognition back in AFROTC (the only test worth taking) but again, 90% of the class put F-22 for all their answers. A few even put down the F-14 for pictures of the Eagle, Viper, etc.

[drewpey]

for those of you new to the internets, and want to know more about his avatar:

[donkey]

She has a face? Tomorrow you'll be telling me she has feelings...

"Go easy on her, guys, she has feelings too, you know."

[Guest soflguy]

Just was wondering what some really cool airframes are out there and interesting jobs such as the B-1 "BONE" or the B-52, anybody out there with experience in airframes that they loved that can share some info on certain ones?

It almost seems too obvious to actually be a real question

[slacker]

How the hell is this a "classic thread," but the De Motivational Poster thread with the most views on Al Gore's internets, is not?

[Butters]

How the hell is this a "classic thread," but the De Motivational Poster thread with the most views on Al Gore's internets, is not?

Dude, Classic is so we can find this shit when it gets old! The De Motivation nudie poster thread will never get get old.

[M2]

Sadly, most of the cadets in AFROTC have no phucking clue on the USAF aircraft inventory. I'm not talking specifics but I could post a picture of a Su-25 and people would call it an F-22. I do recall having a test on USAF aircraft recognition back in AFROTC (the only test worth taking) but again, 90% of the class put F-22 for all their answers. A few even put down the F-14 for pictures of the Eagle, Viper, etc.

Sad to see that things haven't changed. When I started AFROTC almost 25 years ago, we freshmen cadets were given a lecture on the "current" inventory by the Air Force major we had as an instructor. He briefed that we were still flying the F-105 (yes, the Thud) despite the fact that it had been retired for over a year.

I kindly pointed that out to him, and he seemed dumbstruck that a freshman cadet could know something he didn't (I had just finished my four years of enlisted active duty); but to his credit he did research it and announced at the next class that it was true.

Granted, this had been prior to Al Gore inventing the Internet for all of us to view porn or play fantasy football; but still they should've known better...

Cheers! M2

[slo_goin]

Just was wondering what some really cool airframes are out there and interesting jobs such as the B-1 "BONE" or the B-52, anybody out there with experience in airframes that they loved that can share some info on certain ones?

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