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In part, there were deeper underlying training/upgrade issues that drove a majority of these "incidents." I'd argue that fatigue for MAF crews is pretty universal. But that's probably a discussion for another thread...

One way of putting it, I guess.

Where are the ring girls?

This thread has derailed. Get back to the ring girls...

I wonder if Spur will be called to testify in these legal proceedings.

I'll give credit to the finance folks at my base after my recent PCS. An Airman sat me down in their office and walked me through PiPS (step-by-step) for what ended up being a relatively painless and intuitive process that I certainly could have figured out on my own with minimal frustration. I had to use PiPS one other time for an extended TDY and was relatively happy with the process. This begs the question... why the ###### do we use DTS?! After 7 years and over 900 TDY days in AMC I never figured that shit out.

FIFY

The obvious knee-jerk reaction to this accident should be immediate implementation of additional stabilized approach criteria and the banning of all visual approaches by all MAF aircraft.

The very beginning of the recording is tower clearing them to land on 28L. They subsequently clear Skywest to land, but right after that you hear a yell in the background about an accident as they are trying to send the Skywest flight around. As for what the Asiana pilot is saying, I have no clue.

Bored on a Saturday afternoon... SFO Tower Audio (pretty slow to load) Sounds like things were normal/normal until it hit the ground. No mention of an emergency and other aircraft being cleared to land.

Looks eerily like the BA 777 crash at Heathrow in 2008. It looks like they barely made the pavement. Strictly an observation.

I'll go ahead and nominate the above as the greatest picture to ever grace this forum... nay, the internet in its entirety.

Strategic power projection is not important when you have prize-winning Clydesdales with tight itineraries. Those show horses aren't going to fly themselves around the world.

Just the tip of the ice berg, my friend.

His name is Erin. Apparently child abuse runs in the family.

No-fly day next Friday at a certain FTU for SAPR activities of some sort. Anybody else?

Altus is saved because God has a warped sense of humor.

Looks like Altus got the FTU. https://blog.newsok.com/politics/2013/05/22/altus-air-force-base-loses-bid-to-be-main-site-for-new-tankers/

However much we want to fault her for these comments, I truly believe this is the way we are going as a force. "Why be good at (fill in the blank) when we can do it with modern technology?" For example, CBT's have proven to be the perfect cure to all of the woe's in the modern military.

Ouch. Looks like there was more than just grass in that aimpoint.

Correction... WE are so ######ed! One person shits his pants, blah blah blah. Prepare for more CBTs/Wingman Days/Flying Down Days etc.

Even if the opportunity to bail out presented itself, I'd still ride it in. My landings are better than my PLFs.

Ouch... Ouch...

Name and pictures all over FB. Unfortunate.

My condolences to the families of the crew. Is anyone else bothered by the fact that Facebook is where we learn of such a loss?