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No doubt the Pope guys had their shit together but I think the close proximity to Bragg didn’t hurt them being selected for a lot of missions. Your comment on the “tail wagging the dog”. When I first got to Hurbie, which belonged to the Tactical Air Command, in 79 there was abso######inglutely no question on who ran the 1st SOW. The tail didn’t start wagging the dog here until the late 80s early 90s. MAC got a hold of us in 83, we (Ops) fought it as long as we could. We were asked one time if we could take off, do a closed pattern, then land and they would fix the plane, just so they could get an on-time take off. That is but one sub-species. I’ve got the “Shoe clerk Stiff-arm”, you know, the “you/we can’t do that” from guys where I knew their job better than they did. One of the last examples of that I remember was just before I retired, a MSgt bringing me some 781s that he said I filled out wrong. I damn near quoted the Reg to him on how to fill out the suspect area and he still said I was wrong and that he wouldn’t input them until I changed them. Went to the Sq pubs file, pulled out the book and read it to him. “That’s not what it means”. Had to take him to the SqDO to get it done.

So, based on this thread, the same question would have three different answers. No wonder check rides are so fun. Remember, you said it first. Can't agree with that if your talking normal checklists and duties.

First of all, good on you for volunteering for the gunship job. You WILL contribute to the war. Maybe more than you want. My experience with demographics in NM checks with yours. You mention getting in your Cessna to go places. Is that so you can go have some fun? Not that I think fun can’t be had at Cannon/Clovis. My family likes outdoor type stuff, camping, wheeling, fishing, etc. We don’t need a mall, I’d rather have a good feed/hardware store. When you get to the 16th and learn how they were selected to go to Cannon you might understand why some of the bitching is going on. Not sticking up for the bitchers because they signed up and have to go where they’re ordered but the selection process was skewed. You will learn all about the performance when you get here for school. And make no mistake; this school is for you to learn how to kill people.

My understanding from way back “in the day” was that after the incident at Indian Springs in ’81 Dyess wasn’t invited to play in Special ops anymore. Which would include any opertation up to Just Cause and maybe beyond. Pope, who had an outstanding SOLL/II program, did those missions. CMIIW.

This is how I rolled during Desert Storm. It was issued, had a four clip holder on the other side. I wore it outside my flight suit but under my survival vest when flying. I liked it, didn’t get in the way at all. It could go under the flight suit though, if your zoom-bag was big enough to hide it. http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php...t=46&page=1 Your mileage may vary. Good luck Edit; If you have arms it will stay on a lot better

More of Gunships stirring up the Southwest. http://www.cnjonline.com/news/prop-34114-h...ncommentsPage=3 16th CC says get used to it. http://www.cnjonline.com/news/become-34127...-exercises.html

They sold us a dead mule on the range thing. Gen. Wooly said we would own the range, ha. The Wombats could get the best of both worlds. Doing fun shit with the Herk and blowing stuff up, which is fun too. Who, on this board, didn't like to blow stuff up up when they were a kid?

Wonder why "they" want more gunships, instead of more fighters.

Welcome to our lives for the past 35 yrs. Your comparing this to this? You need to take a ride in the ol'e whistlin shithouse when the weather warms up.