HeloDude

Nah…you just can’t have a conversation outside of your own emotions. I used to be that way a long time ago. How was that steak dinner or chicken sandwich the other day? .

Depends on how bad you need that car I suppose. A lot of people get killed in war that I’m sure didn’t necessarily need to die for objectives to be achieved. And though I’m morally against bringing drawn out suffering to an animal, for some people it’s what they want to do. Like I said a while back, I don’t support what this DoD guy did…but it does beg the question of why things are legal and why things aren’t. As for this being a philosophical discussion, I thought that was obvious but I guess it wasn’t…next time I’ll say so.

If animals don’t have a right to not be killed by humans for our pleasure, then no, they don’t have rights. And this isn’t a hill…it’s a fact. Unless you’re one of those who thinks people who eat animals should go to jail? Some of you don’t seem capable of having an actual philosophical discussion outside of what is legal vs illegal. Or “well this is how our laws are so they must be right”…I guess all of our laws have always been perfect. Again, killing a 7 month unborn baby is ok in many states…but getting two chickens to fight is not ok. But breeding horses to aggressively race for our viewing pleasure…and if they get hurt because of it and need to be killed, well that’s ok, but eating a cat is not ok. But eating a pig is ok. I want to live in a world where you can have your morals and I can have mine…but that we don’t cater to certain people and not others when they’re literally the same thing. And yes, if you hunt coyote on BLM land then you leave them to rot…they go back to nature. Or should the coyotes be protected? If not, maybe a proper burial required after you shoot them for fun?…we could regulate how deep the hole needs to be, a required head stone, whatever makes people feel better. Maybe if we hit a raccoon on the road we should have to stop and bury it…maybe report it since that might be a crime because the animal had a “right” to not be hit by a car? If you truly believe in individual liberty then you have to ask yourself uncomfortable questions at times. Oh and enjoy that steak dinner or chicken sandwich next time!…you heartless person you lol.

I’ve noticed that many on the left no longer believe “democracies need to be able to defend themselves from those who that attack their sovereignty” as of a few days ago. Whoever actually thought that the left actually supported Ukraine because of “democracy” were easily duped…fortunately I’ve learned over the years that the leftists support leftist ideology, and everything else they say/do is a distraction.

Well, you wouldn’t want their citizens to own ARs, Tavor’s, etc…according to the left in the US, those are weapons of war that ordinary citizens shouldn’t be able to own.

Children are people, and people have rights. Animals do not. And if I can eat something because I want to eat it just because I think it’s delicious, that’s pretty darn close to absolute control lol.

Ever go hunt coyotes? They’re not “protected” and I know people who shoot them for the fun of it. Sure one can argue that they’re destructive, but I can make that same argument for a lot of wild animals that are “protected”. I love pets…I just don’t love hypocrisy when it comes to the law.

It’s pretty easy—there’s no such thing as “animal rights”, so if you can kill an animal for fun, then why should it be illegal to allow them to fight each other if they’re your animals? I’m not discussing morals whatsoever…if that were the case, whose morals, and what is ok morally and no ok? I think it’s much worse to abort an unborn child 2 months before birth than to take two dogs you own and have them fight (even though I think that’s also immoral and sick). It’s called hypocrisy if you support the ability to do one and not the other.

You had some decent counter arguments until the last one…my children are most definitely not my personal property. However my animals are.

Welcome to the left’s version of “saving democracy”. This why democracy is horrible…it’s literally the equivalent of two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.

I’ll try and help you out… Either we own animals and can do what we want with them, or we can’t. If you eat meat then an “animals rights” person would tell you that you’re immoral. So the line has artificially been drawn to satisfy X but not Y…just don’t pretend that animals have any rights. And as I previously said, I don’t support what this DoD official did, but yet I have friends who hunt purely for sport…are they also immoral? Why is one legal and not the other?

Words matter though. And there are millions of people in this country that do make that argument…PETA members for example. There are even those that are telling us that the Kentucky Derby is cruel to animals. I don’t support what this guy did whatsoever, but if you can kill animals for sport alone, it only goes to show that there is no such thing as “animal rights”.

Ummm, I’m all about hunting animals and then eating them. And I don’t know how many people who like to hunt are trying to kill people and eat them. A little devils advocate here, but I think you need a better argument.

This is a commander type problem to solve…unfortunately the member receives the consequences of it not being worked out. Any commander worth their salt would make this a priority as it involves pay.

I have a good friend, retired AF pilot, who does this on the side for a reasonable fee. She can do it all remotely as well. Send me a pm if you want the info.

Discussion on The Pilot Network on FB about AAMS going away very soon. Says that when it goes away, the only way you can get your line by line sortie info is through the 1Cs…but their system only goes back 18 months.

Are they as great as our professional finance folks or comm types?

Truly amazing how this doesn’t anger the vast majority of Americans… https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2023/09/16/watch-youre-free-to-go-border-patrol-releases-hundreds-of-illegal-aliens-into-san-diego/

Personally I see this as a good thing. Some people are finally waking up to the nonsense. They’re also realizing that their “neighbors” don’t support their values and vote in (at the local and state level) politicians who actively go against what is important to them. I keep hearing from the left that we supposedly have more in common than not…and then these are the same people who say F your values, we’re doing it this way. The right does it as well with abortion and a few other issues, so I can see how a die hard progressive wouldn’t want to live in South Dakota or Idaho.

If housing is (or going to soon be) so unaffordable that the vast majority of people won’t be able to afford one…or won’t be able to afford one without working until they’re near death/old age, then there has to be very large bad visible 2nd and 3rd order affects to the economy. If you’re spending so much for housing, rent or mortgage, then you have less money to buy clothes, eat out, fix your car, buy a new cell phone, etc. That means that these businesses will earn less, hire fewer people, and on and on. All that most definitely affects the economy—and yes, it will then most definitely affect the stock market. So again, my question is when? I’m not buying this “stealth crash”. I think we’ll eventually see the signs I mentioned above…but again, when?

I don’t doubt that all the massive spending, policies/regulations making products more expensive, energy situation, etc is good. My question is when are we going to notice this massive economic downturn? If you say now, then I would very much disagree. While I don’t think the economy is good, we’re not in 2001 or 2008/2009 levels yet.

Appreciate the data. My question is this: When does all this start that it becomes obvious to a majority of Americans that we’re in trouble? Predictions are great and all, but if the person making them can’t be fairly accurate with the timeline then the predictions are near useless…just take a look at the global warming/climate change nonsense predictions over the last 30+ years.

Progressives being progressives… They care more about keeping parents from knowing if their young children don’t know what pronouns to use vs allowing Americans to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/09/09/new-mexico-gov-michelle-lujan-grishami-ssues-order-suspending-concealed-carry-self-defense/

They just released another message about the issue on their FB page…this time 3 pages of new policies, etc. They’re in full damage control right now. Who do they think their customers are? I wouldn’t recommend anyone buy one their products.

Liberty Safe just royally F’d themselves… https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/09/06/liberty-safe-gave-fbi-access-code-to-january-6-protesters-safe/