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I was returning from x-mas leave back to Randolph and my wife and kids took me to the airport. I had to use my military ID to check in since I had the gov fare and the lady at the counter gave me passes for the family. I thought that was pretty cool since I didn't even ask for one.
If you're travelling on orders you can get passes for the family to escort you to the gate of your departure. If you land at an airport with a USO, the USO people can escort your family to the gate to greet you when you arrive.
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Excuse my ignorance, but is that the school house they flew out of? Were any of them students?
No, Tyndall is the Formal Training Unit.
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Not trying to be a dick, but you must be either..
1) Not on AD
2) Working for a douchebag nazi
Why are you asking? Do you have a boss who tells you that can't workout during the day?
Do you punch a time card when you get to work and when you leave? Do you get a lunch break? Do you work strictly 8-5? Are you banned from going to PT even if your assigned work is complete?
As long as you are not actively engaged in an activity, meeting, briefing, flight, etc., your boss should have any authority to not let you PT. Squadrons conduct PT as a function (MPF regularly shuts down from 1000-1400 to do squadron PT), so I can't imagine that leadership would look kindly on him not letting his people go to the gym in the middle of the day.
But no, I don't know where you're going to find a reg that says you can work out during duty hours.
Edit: Stract found 10-248 while I typed.
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Okay, don't get me wrong. I'm obviously not against flying, flybys, cross-countries or good deals. I'm just against people talking out their a$$es, which both sides were doing in this situation.
so, the DLOs for any given fly-by aren't very grandiose, but there is ALWAYS some training benefit when you go out to fly. Whether it's just getting more of a feel for your aircraft, getting more comforatble flying in close formation (core pilot skillz), more comfortable talking to ATC and flying at the same time, or recovering with an instrument approach to get more proficient with IFR regimes, there is ALWAYS a benefit to flying vs not flying at all.I don't disagree on flybys, but don't try to sell me a flyby as valuable CT training for a fighter guy. Getting more of a feel for the aircraft? I do that every day...don't need a flyby to help me. Close formation? I can practice that going to and from the area and coming up initial. More comfortable talking to ATC? No way...ATC is ATC. Recovering to an instrument approach? Well, that's just right out - if the weather is good enough to do a flyby, you probably don't need to recover to an instrument approach.
back in white jets, all our flyovers were done while accomplishing formation and/or navigation CT squares. As IPs we were allowed XX CT sorties a quarter. If I spent them flying to Vegas to booze and gamble all weekend, or if I spent them to go to XYZ airshow or sporting event and do a flyby, it cost the AF the same amount of money. Come to think of it, most times at the airshow we didn't have to pay for gas or billeting, so it actually cost the AF less money...There's a difference. In grey jets (at least in Strike Eagles), we don't have too many CT XC opportunities. I went XC almost every weekend as a T-38 IP. I went on about one XC a year in the F-15E. You have your choice of XC opportunities in white jets - I volunteered for all my flybys and used my CT squares to go. In the F-15E, I volunteered for one flyby (Tampa Bay Bucs flyby) for which I only logged RAP squares (same as any daily flight) and I was 'voluntold' for the other two.
I thought you were making some insightful comments on this until you had to throw in some heavy bashing.Just for the record, the only "kids" who log A->B as training are UPT studs doing cross countries...
Us "fat kids" in AMC don't log training from A->B around OIF/OEF. We DO log combat time.
Chill. It was a saracastic remark to a douchebag "analyst with the Center for Defense Information" who felt the authority to categorize pilots, their training, and speak for us on behalf of what we call "converting gas to noise." He made an idiotic remark, that was my point.
Again, here's the point. Flybys are not valuable training for pilots. Can I hone my skills for shacking timing? Sure. But I'd take a 4-ship SAT sortie with a +/- 10 second TOT any day for the sake of training. Would I rather do a Daytona flyby, land, and get to the track by the 25th lap so I can schmooze with the crowd and be a hero? Hell yeah (and I've done it).
Flybys are valuable to the military.
Relatively speaking, they do not cost too much money
But they are not valuable training. Period dot.
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I think I'm going to be deploying right after going to SOS, so I'm thinking about bring the wife and kids with me to SOS. Anyone here do that? Pros/Cons?
Deploying right after SOS is the only reason I could think to bring your family to SOS. While I was there, there were a couple people who brought their spouses, but only a few. It's only a few weeks away from the family and there's not much for them to do while you're in class all day. As far as being 'that guy' who doesn't hang out with the rest of the class, I wouldn't worry about that either for a couple reasons-
1) It's not a UPT class you need to bond with, it's an SOS class. My class only had one (half-assed) extracurricular activity. You're not going to want to bond with most of the shoeclerks there anyway.
2) Even if your family is there, you can bring them to get togethers that your flight puts on.
Don't try to fight it, there's nothing you can do. SOS is coming for you.
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Stupidity from all sides on this one. I think the story is crap, but the "officials" are doing a crappier job of justifying it.
"We have this mission to bring the story of the Air Force to people who may not have an Air Force base near them"Vegas to Florida just for a flyby is excessive. You don't need the Thunderbirds to perform at Daytona when the Vipers from Shaw (or just about any base in the US since they're all closer than Nellis) can do it. It'd be different if this was an airshow with a full-up demonstration, but $80,000 for a five second event?
Officials also insist that flyovers don't cost taxpayers any additional money, because each flyover counts as a training flight and comes out of already existing training budgets and schedules.Bullshit. Yes, it comes of out existing training budgets and schedules, but those flights come from somewhere. In your average squadron, a four-ship flyby comes at the expense of a four-ship upgrade. If the flybys are done during outside of the normal flying week (weekends), the sorties are still factored into the flying hour program. As afnav mentioned, I have seen flybys accomplished at the tail end of sorties, but I would certainly not say "almost always." I did three flybys in the T-38 and three in the F-15 and none were in conjunction with a training sortie.
"Baloney," said Winslow Wheeler, an analyst with the Center for Defense Information in Washington, D.C. "It's atrocious training. They're flying from Point A to Point B.Copy - that's what the fat kids should log as training, not fighters.
That's what pilots call 'converting gas to noise.' "Yeah, that's exactly what we call it. Dickhead.
The Orlando Sentinel investigation shows...the vast majority of those requests are deemed eligible...Little League games...it's up to individual teams or leagues to find available squadrons to perform the flyby.I looked for the AFI that governs flyby requests and approval. I couldn't find it, but I know the Orlando Sentinel is out to lunch. Having read the AFI, coordinated, requested, and flown in many flybys, I know that - at least on the Air Force side - the approval and coordination is anything but easy and they don't task individuals to 'find available squadrons'.
The stadium's roof was closed. No one could see the U.S. Navy's Blue Angels overhead. And it was so loud inside that no one could even hear the jets. But the almost 100 million watching on TV did get to see them for about four seconds.A flyover for an enlosed stadium? I gotta say that's just retarded.
It's a flyover - it's great promotion for the military. It seems outlandlish when you list the prices of all these flybys, but how about some responsible reporting here with a percentage of cost that a flyby makes up in the overall daily cost for the military. I'm going to guess that a four-ship flyby comprises about 0.001% of the average US military's daily flying cost. Relatively speaking, it's not that much. You don't hear people bitching about the cost to fly aircraft all over the country and world for airshows - it's achieving the same purpose.
Orlando Sun - STFU and go find some real news.
Military spokespeople - Stop trying to justify this with BS excuses about training and people who don't have AF bases nearby.
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Thread Revival!
Got a slide show called "Military Hardware" with a bunch of great pictures from all the services. Right click to download, but here's some samples -
Navy
Marines
Army
Air Force pics are the best of the lot - you'll have to download to check them out.
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I'd hit it.
And the dean too.
You'll need these.
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The measure would be modeled after anti-pornography laws, organizers said, mandating that - like porn shops - new recruiting offices be subject to public hearings before they would be allowed to locate near homes or schools.
Un-f***-ing believable
"They want to train you to kill babies!"Well, that pretty much sums up everything.
Code Pink....good Lord. F***ing California.
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not to beat a dead horse. but mythbusters is supposed to test this next week. 1.30.08.
Anybody watch it?
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I posted in another thread about the TSA making me chuck out my toothpaste while guys with fake bombs are getting on planes.
On the one hand, these guys can’t (or aren’t allowed to) apply common sense to the policies and allow somebody with 2 oz of toothpaste board a plane because it’s in an 8 oz container. On the other hand, a guy is allowed to board a plane with a fake bomb.
In tests conducted in 2006 and disclosed to USA Today last year, investigators successfully smuggled 75 percent of fake bombs through checkpoints at Los Angeles International Airport, 60 percent through Chicago's O'Hare International Airport and 20 percent at San Francisco International Airport.But as Devil's advocate for the TSA, this is exactly why people need to STFU about being ‘inconvenienced’ by having to take off their shoes, go through extra screenings, and get a pat-down.
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Is there any new talk about putting maintenance into the operations group? That wheel has to be turning back that way as well.
Apparently you slept through the last couple months.
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Anybody else have their Services Squadron merging with the Mission Support Squadron into "Force Support Squadron"
"The new squadron will have five flights: Force Development, Manpower and Personnel, Airmen and Family Services, Sustainment Services and Community Services."
Great, so now we can have the limited hours of the MSS combined with the daily e-mail spam of the Services squadron. It's the best of both worlds!
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Did you just compare this punk who cursed out a three-star to people who don't tuck in their PT gear?
UFB.
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This guy needed to be dealt with, but did it call for a public "flogging"?
Yes.
I realize I don't know the whole situation, but is this typical in the AF?No, but neither is being a disrespectful snot-nosed sh!tbag.
I say HARUMPH. It's a matter of SA, and this idiot obviously had none. I was TDY at Tyndall a couple years ago and dropped our guys off at the Burger King to run in and grab breakfast. I parked the car, engine running, at the curb outside since they'd only be in there for a couple minutes. While I was waiting, somebody in BDUs (couldn't see his rank) pulled up next to me and (somewhat matter of factly) said, "You need to move your car, you can't park there". He was in BDUs, so if I was a moron and assumed he was some first shirt reflector-belt nazi, I could have told him to pound sand.
Instead, I saluted smartly and moved my car. He drove away and, NSTFS, his license plate said "SFS CC".
Don't shoot your mouth off when you don't know who you're talking to. Justice served, IMHO.
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Two guys from my unit are leaving in a couple months to fly C-12s in Saudi Arabia.
Not a bad gig IMHO. There are two pilots, they fly out of Dhahran. It's Saudi Arabia, so it sucks, but you get tax free, hostile fire, hazard duty, family separation, etc., without actually getting shot at (hopefully). You're also a 20 minute drive to Bahrain where booze and hot chicks are legal. If you want any details, PM me and I can get you in touch with the guys there.
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I was talking about the letter. I am certified in the use of the white pages.
Okay, then maybe you can figure out who has the right address between M2 and myself. By the way, I sent this to a buddy of mine who's currently in the AOR. His response:
"I say we take her dad to Iraq and let him spend 15 months driving the streets of Sadr City by himself... Then by next Christmas she will have a legitimate chance at winning with their strategy. The world is full of assholes." -
Huggy, When you do would you mind posting it up here?
What - can you not type "www.whitepages.com" yourself?
PRISCILLA CEBALLOS
1814 KINGSBRIDGE DR
GARLAND, TX 75044
(972) 496-3815
My letter's already in the mail.
Wonder how long until she changes that phone number?
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What about this guy?
Douchebag idiots are exempt from OPSEC protection. We're actually hoping the Taliban picks that guy off.
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Terrible movie, and horrendously offensive to the real life characters, I'm sure. I suppose it would have been entertaining as a fictional story but as a portrayal of real life events that it insinuates it is, it's pure garbage.
Waitta minute - you mean Hollywood glamorized a story and f***ed it all up? Say it ain't so!
That's great insight, Mark, puts the movie in a new light.
Where'd you get the info from? Just curious since it was previously mentioned that the portrayal was accurate.
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My fiance and I want to get married before OTS. However, we need a few months to plan it and everything else, so she wants to get married in June. Beings how I was just selected do you think planning for June might be cutting it close. I don't want to have the marriage all planned and things paid for and then get a class date before the wedding.
How much time is there between your planned wedding and OTS start date? When is the next earliest OTS class start date? I know that occassionally UPT dates get moved up, but I don't know how often that happens in OTS. I know that if it happens for UPT and you're unable to flex due to previous committment, there's bound to be somebody willing to take your place.
Also, do you think it would be wise to get legally married before I start doing all sorts of paperwork (for security clearance, etc) so that I don't have to redo a bunch of stuff later.You're gonna be updating that crap your entire career, don't let that factor into your equation.
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I think in the end, Bill won out afterall.
Uhhh...he washed out of his formal training course, never got a chance to be a pilot, and then his father died. Yup, sounds like a happy ending to me.
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Earlier today, someone had written that she was actually not a bad person and handled herself well when people found this stuff on the 'net and posted it around the squadron. I don't know where that went, but oh well.
Good for her. I think it's unfortunate that her parents, or these magazines, elevated her (and I imagine her ego) to such a high status before she even got behind the controls of a USAF aircraft. I think that perhaps the bashing is a bit excessive in hindsight, but I think it would have been completely warranted had she been in, or prior to starting, UPT. There's no way that having been the star of your family, hometown, and whatever organization published this, could have been helpful. It either put her up on a pedestal with too high expectations, or it inflated her self-worth.
As far as this coming out in UPT, I hope she dealt with it okay. And the fact that she's a chick...who gives a $hit. If we found out dirt like this on a guy student in UPT, we'd be merciless. I would expect sexual equality all around.
Trying to keep this on track with the washout stories, I don't have any spectular stories as a T-38 or F-15 IP, but I've seen my fair share wash out and SIE (Self Initiated Elimination). Most of the washouts in T-38s were guys who were fairly dedicated, just didn't have the hands or capacity to keep up with the jet. Most of the guys I've seen wash out of the FTU seemed to be behind the jet in both a flying and mental capcity.
And to prove that not all MIAs from formal training are chicks, we had a male student up and leave one weekend from Seymour. Everybody showed up to class Monday morning and he was nowhere to be found. The SRO couldn't get in touch with him, so they called the flight commander, who called the SFS to go to his house. No sign of the guy, so they called his parents to see if they had heard from him. Said parents, "Uh...yeah, he's hear with us." Turns out the guy had just freaked out and driven to Kentucky without telling anyway and with no plans of returning. No idea what happened to him, but I know did not return to the program.
Flyover/flyby Q&A
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Speaking of Bucs flybys, this here makes it well worth the cost.
And if you want to talk about military presence, how about when the receiver scores a touchdown, hands off the ball to a pilot in the end zone, then salutes him and runs back onto the field?
Jurevicius hands off ball to pilot