How much more "insane" can they get? The promotion rate to O-4 is already around 90%.

I was told when mine was handed back that the promotion rate was going to be 95% with a 75% DP rate. Sounds like '05 May be at the bottom of the RIF / force management bathtub.

I was told when mine was handed back that the promotion rate was going to be 95% with a 75% DP rate. Sounds like '05 May be at the bottom of the RIF / force management bathtub.

I got the same word on the 75% DP allocation from an A1 type. Didn't say anything about the 95% promotion rate but that would make sense with a DP rate that high - it's normally 65%ish right?

I got the same word on the 75% DP allocation from an A1 type. Didn't say anything about the 95% promotion rate but that would make sense with a DP rate that high - it's normally 65%ish right?

Yeah, I think so. I know this is the highest I have seen it.

2004 year group was a 75% DP allocation. I actually thought 75% had been the standard the last few years but hopefully somebody that pays attention to that stuff and has been around longer can confirm or correct that for me.

2004 year group was a 75% DP allocation. I actually thought 75% had been the standard the last few years but hopefully somebody that pays attention to that stuff and has been around longer can confirm or correct that for me.

That's true at least dating back to the 2000 YG.

I was told when mine was handed back that the promotion rate was going to be 95% with a 75% DP rate. Sounds like '05 May be at the bottom of the RIF / force management bathtub.

Yeah, I heard 95% as well.

Well, there's no AAD info so the boards can't possibly be expected to be able to differentiate between records. Promotions for all my friends.

Well, there's no AAD info so the boards can't possibly be expected to be able to differentiate between records. Promotions for all my friends.

The SOS box is still visible. If they can't find enough people without that box checked then the next step to look for passovers will be Xmas parties.

It may be visible, but it only indicates complete or not. There is no differentiation between residence and correspondence, unless of course you got DG.

The SOS box is still visible. If they can't find enough people without that box checked then the next step to look for passovers will be Xmas parties.

Jesus. We can even find a way to bitch about a 95% promotion rate here....

Jesus. We can even find a way to bitch about a 95% promotion rate here....

Are you kidding, we would bitch about 100%

It may be visible, but it only indicates complete or not. There is no differentiation between residence and correspondence, unless of course you got DG.

Were the training reports from SOS masked too? If not then the board can see if you went in residence or not correct?

Were the training reports from SOS masked too? If not then the board can see if you went in residence or not correct?

And wouldn't an OPR reflect a push for in-res SOS until in-res was completed?

While we're on this "is it really masked?" kick, are they going to mask an entire duty history line and training report for dudes that go to AFIT for an in-res degree?

And wouldn't an OPR reflect a push for in-res SOS until in-res was completed?

Or until no longer eligible. And that is when you become eligible to complete it via correspondence. The course is only 5 weeks now and they have secured the funding for the additional days required. Ultimately the CSAF has done something good here, enjoy it while it lasts.

While we're on this "is it really masked?" kick, are they going to mask an entire duty history line and training report for dudes that go to AFIT for an in-res degree?

No, they aren't.

Back to your regularly scheduled sport-bitch session.

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Were the training reports from SOS masked too? If not then the board can see if you went in residence or not correct?

TRs for short courses (i.e., those that do not replace an OPR; I don't recall the cutoff course length) don't meet the board. Your UPT TR is part of your board package; in-res IDE and/or SDE (PCS / year-long courses) are as well. Your SOS TR is not.

EDIT: Apparently outdated info.

Edited November 1, 201411 yr by Jughead

TRs for short courses (i.e., those that do not replace an OPR; I don't recall the cutoff course length) don't meet the board. Your UPT TR is part of your board package; in-res IDE and/or SDE (PCS / year-long courses) are as well. Your SOS TR is not.

Source?

I would suggest that everyone go to PRDA and open your promotion board selection folder. It shows all documents that are meeting or have met the board, including your PRF. It does include every TR and OPR. Length of course does not matter. Go see for yourself.

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TRs for short courses (i.e., those that do not replace an OPR; I don't recall the cutoff course length) don't meet the board. Your UPT TR is part of your board package; in-res IDE and/or SDE (PCS / year-long courses) are as well. Your SOS TR is not.

If this is the case then how can people use information from the short courses in their PRFs which does happen? Or is this a new change?

Source?

I would suggest that everyone go to PRDA and open your promotion board selection folder. It shows all documents that are meeting or have met the board, including your PRF. It does include every TR and OPR. Length of course does not matter. Go see for yourself.

My "source" is my own experience meeting multiple boards. Unless its changed since my O-5 board (2007)--always possible--the PRDA records show ALL your records; you have to request your records (either a review prior to the board, or an "as met" after the board) to see what is actually going / went before the board. I'd suggest checking with the promotions folks at AFPC rather than my (or Herk Driver's) understanding of how it works if it's important to you.

Doesn't the OPSB list all the reports going to the board? I think that's what made me wonder "where's my TR?" and investigate for myself.... Sounds like you're saying the OPSB is on PRDA now, which is itself a change from my day (Christ, I hate saying that!)....

EDIT: Apparently outdated info.

If this is the case then how can people use information from the short courses in their PRFs which does happen? Or is this a new change?

The report isn't "gone" or invalidated--it's still a legit, official source document (for PRFs or whatever). It just doesn't meet the board (in my experience and subject to the caveats above).

Edited November 1, 201411 yr by Jughead

My "source" is my own experience meeting multiple boards. Unless its changed since my O-5 board (2007)--always possible--the PRDA records show ALL your records; you have to request your records (either a review prior to the board, or an "as met" after the board) to see what is actually going / went before the board. I'd suggest checking with the promotions folks at AFPC rather than my (or Herk Driver's) understanding of how it works if it's important to you.

Doesn't the OPSB list all the reports going to the board? I think that's what made me wonder "where's my TR?" and investigate for myself....

The report isn't "gone" or invalidated--it's still a legit, official source document (for PRFs or whatever). It just doesn't meet the board (in my experience and subject to the caveats above).

Dude I appreciate what you are saying but we are talking past each other. Go to the AFPC website and you will see that AFPC no longer takes request for records reviews or As Met packages. All records are in PRDA, that is correct. But if you go look you will also see your Promotion board selection folder. This is the folder that meets or has met the board. Go check it out through AMS. How you access your promotion record all changed in the last year or so. But, all of your TRs meet the board. Go check again and you will see that this is correct. Too bad that Chuck took his post down since he can corroborate this info.

I am not asking anyone to take my word for any of this...as I said before go to PRDA, pull your promotion board selection folder and you will see what meets or has met the board. This is different from searching for all your OPRs or decs or whatever document. It is a separate folder that is the folder that meets the promotion board. This info is all available on the AFPC website. I said it in the last post and will say it again, go check for yourself.

ETA: the folder is titled by the board identifier, IIRC. (e.g. P05xxx)

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Edited November 1, 201411 yr by Herk Driver

Dude I appreciate what you are saying but we are talking past each other. Go to the AFPC website and [...]

Well, therein lies the problem--I'm an ORF with no access (let alone any give-a-shit) to AFPC's myriad sites.

I withdraw. Things have evidently changed. Apologies to anyone misled by my comments.

Well, there's no AAD info so the boards can't possibly be expected to be able to differentiate between records. Promotions for all my friends.

Still on the rack and stack excel sheet I just got from the boss. So.. not really solving anything.

When they release the promotion numbers will it even say whether those who had an AAD was promoted or passed over? This year things are very interesting. I say break out the balloon animals during the promotion board.

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Too bad that Chuck took his post down since he can corroborate this info.

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Yeah sorry, I dropped my post because I reread yours and we were both saying the same thing. No need to dog pile.

FWIW, the board(s) I have worked included one the old way (before the PRDA was used by the masses), and one the new. In both cases the MLR ensured the info in the PRFs jivved with the info in the reports - including TRs - and the dudes on the boards saw the corrected PRFs and the entire personnel record, including TRs. That's all I was saying.

As was sent to me in a PM (thanks by the way - I agree with what was said), true, practice bleeding was stopped by the CSAF. But it doesn't change the have/have not with school in-res. TRs will still tell the board who went an who didn't...

Chuck

Still on the rack and stack excel sheet I just got from the boss. So.. not really solving anything.

Too bad the instructions that came with the in-zone notice specifically forbids senior raters from using any locally produced rack and stack sheet.