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Sadly, and all kidding aside, I just submitted an application with Delta yesterday. No where near as exciting as the day I dropped my app for OTS. Times sure change, don't they?

Sad.

Agreed. I will apply to the Majors/Legacy's also if I get approved for the VSP, but I may be a little short on the Total Time right now so I may have to spend a year or two at the Regional's to build that time.

What's sad is that I am so unhappy with the current state of the Air Force that I am willing to take a 75% paycut and go fly for the Regional's just to get off AD. The one thing I have going for me is that I was a prior FAIP so the majority of my time is TPIC so I just need to build that Total Time to be competitive for a Legacy.

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Always look out for yourself in regards to PIC time . Never log other time if you don't have to. If leadership gives you a hassle about making sure you get all the time you can, it's probably because they are also setting themselves up for good contracting jobs after they retire.

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Forward that email to CSAF. I agree, this is probably not his intent. I've never seen filtered and approved questions, but I don't doubt it happens. It shouldn't. Thanks for the feedback

Alive and well in AMC:

Each squadron needs to submit 1 question (and have someone ready to ask it) for Lt Gen McDew's All Call. There will be the opportunity to ask more questions, but the wing wants to ensure that there will be at least 4 from each group.

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AFPC is doing something with the TERA right now.

My TERA moved to FM-Validation Complete yesterday and then today the title of my "Incident" moved from 'Retirement Request' to '//RETIRE IN LOWER GRD//Retirement Request' (which makes sense since I do not have TIG to retire as a Lt Col). Is it a light at the end of the tunnel or ... just the train?

Caveats: 11M w/15 years service, just pinned on Lt Col a month ago

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Yes. The Air Force and I rarely see eye-to-eye and it was time to part ways amicably with all the benefits (although 37% vice 50% hurts a little).

That's a fancy way of saying the family is ready to settle down in one spot.

The job market is pretty good outside for me right now so that helped the decision a lot. It is a little bitter sweet to make rank and then just retire but it is the right time for me to get out.

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Yes. The Air Force and I rarely see eye-to-eye and it was time to part ways amicably with all the benefits (although 37% vice 50% hurts a little).

That's a fancy way of saying the family is ready to settle down in one spot.

The job market is pretty good outside for me right now so that helped the decision a lot. It is a little bitter sweet to make rank and then just retire but it is the right time for me to get out.

Good luck, and thanks for your service!

Although it does make me sad to see the AF meat grinder push people to make decisions like this.

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Yes. The Air Force and I rarely see eye-to-eye and it was time to part ways amicably with all the benefits (although 37% vice 50% hurts a little).

That's a fancy way of saying the family is ready to settle down in one spot.

The job market is pretty good outside for me right now so that helped the decision a lot. It is a little bitter sweet to make rank and then just retire but it is the right time for me to get out.

Same here, except the Lt Col part. They need to pull the trigger though. I've got a job waiting in the wings and it's a real pisser not being able to give them a firm start date.

One thing that's unclear though. I know they waived the 120 day lead time to apply for retirement, but are they going to enforce the 120day lead time required before starting PTDY/Terminal? I've got 93 days of leave and that would put me into the last week of April just to start terminal, let alone another 20days permissive which would basically lay me down in like 3 weeks or so. I can't imagine they are going to be able to enforce the 120days for TERA guys with the compressed timeframes we will be operating in. Most of us got eligibility approved at the end of Jan, which puts us at the end of May for the 120 days. I'm trying to start work on day 1 and draw 2 pay checks for 3 months. If I have to wait until 30 May or whatever to start the new job that will cost me a bunch of money and force me to sit around staring at my computer screen for another 2 months.

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AFPC is doing something with the TERA right now.

My TERA moved to FM-Validation Complete yesterday and then today the title of my "Incident" moved from 'Retirement Request' to '//RETIRE IN LOWER GRD//Retirement Request' (which makes sense since I do not have TIG to retire as a Lt Col). Is it a light at the end of the tunnel or ... just the train?

Caveats: 11M w/15 years service, just pinned on Lt Col a month ago

Congrats man...good to see some movement on this finally.

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I just sat through the biggest clown show I have yet to see in the Air Force. The SECAF just visited our deployed location today to speak with us and answer questions that were on the minds of our Airmen. Just prior to the speech the senior leaders said they had 10 individuals in the crowd with pre-planned questions to insure there wouldn't be any "silence" when asked for volunteers, but that we were all encouraged to ask anything we wanted.

I had come to the speech with a question prepared that explained that according to AFPC, 2563 pilots from the 2005-2008 year groups were eligible for the RIF/VSP with a reported overage of 415 pilots, but that many of us had applied and had been denied due to our ADSC's and that they were currently seeking SECAF approval to waive those ADSC's. I just wanted to ask if she planned on waiving those ADSC's and if those of us that have been denied should reapply as the 1 May deadline is fast approaching. Quite possibly the most appropriate question for the SECAF who just got done speaking about force shaping, current overages, and people being her number one priority in her speech.

Well the people with the microphones only called on 4 people that had pre-planned questions and then we were told there was not enough time for anymore questions. I had raised my hand every single time as high as I possibly could and made direct eye contact with the people with microphones, but was ignored every single time.

They asked questions about sexual assault, the future of our deployed location, and a couple other things that absolutely no one in the room cared about. I have never been more disappointed with this organization. If I could resign my commission and turn my wings in today I would.

All i hear is an excuse that you didn't show the big guns you claimed you were going to brandish. Way to let us all down. Go shack yourself! ;)

Reminds me of a briefing several years ago by some 2-star at AMC: he asked for questions and after some silence, a flight engineer stood up and asked "Sir, why do we fly around empty (or with only a few pallets) on so many cargo missions?"

The answer: "We don't."

The engineer then said, "Sir, I have all my paperwork for the last year of missions and I'd be happy to show you all the missions where we had active legs without cargo."

"Next question, please."

I think that was the same briefing as the infamous "those of us on O&M don't have the money to buy TP to wipe our own asses but the TWCF squadrons have new computers, uniforms, boots, etc."

I don't think I ever applauded a question that hard before or after.

Three holer, you were at Travis? That was hilarious when RM said, "sir, we are about to go Non mission capable due to funding!! And we need TP too!" Our sq/cc pulled us all in and was like, while I admire your passion for the subject, in no way are we close to Non mission capable. Just goes to show how they are so unwilling to call the baby ugly. Or when a short notice TACC tasking comes down and of course we aren't going to say no...god forbid! Call that guy in on leave, I don't care but don't negative reply to that tasking because I don't want the other sq to get it...or even worse, the reserves!!!!

Man just playing catch up and you guys get butt hurt easily! If you are going to post something on here have the thick skin to take some licks and its not necessary for the three musketeers to come running to your aid when you get your PP schwacked for what seems like a ridiculous comment, even if someone takes it the wrong way. It's the INTERNET for gods sake. And FLY6584, everyone changes their mind and that is their right but don't say I was going to be 100% big blue but only drink half the cool aid, stop dangling one foot in. Do what you want, for the right reason, but go all in dude.

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You would resign your commission because you weren't called on to ask a question? Holy shit. You must lose your mind when they are out of mint chocolate chip at the DFAC. Here is the answer she would have probably given you if you hadn't been so disrespected, dishonored, abused and embarrassed that your hand was raised so high but you weren't picked:

We have not approved ADSC waivers yet because we want to be good stewards of taxpayer dollars and protect the investment we have made into training and readiness. We did not want to specifically exclude VSP options for those with ADSCs because we may have the opportunity to match the needs of the Air Force (reducing pilots in certain aircraft in certain year groups to meet budget targets) with an individual's desire to separate prior to finishing the terms of the ADSC they agreed to. We were surprised by the feedback from commanders that described the high cost to readiness and training that releasing 415 to 2563 pilots early would have. We probably should have asked the commanders before releasing the eligibility matrix but we wanted to make as many people as possible aware that we were planning on cutting up to 25,000 people in FY14. We are conducting the analysis now to determine how to best balance our fiscal challenges, maintain readiness, and give people enough time to plan for an earlier than expected transition from active duty. We have struggled with this due to NDAA language, congressional inquiries, a larger than expected AF top line in the president's budget and bad weather in the DC area. I recommend you reapply for TSP and be patient with us as we get through these challenging times. Thank you for serving your nation in the world's greatest Air Force. Next question.

Then say that at the beginning of the whole process, rather than tell the force that senior leadership wants to use voluntary measures before resorting to involuntary ones. Because this statement has point-blank forced AFPC to involuntarily separate those 415 pilots.

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Some of the psdm's for enlisted fmp were updated today. Nothing for officers.

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A town hall meetings with the SECAF and a two-star general isn't all it's cracked up to be. The SECAF and the 20 AF/CC came to Malmstrom in Feb in the wake of the cheating scandal. They held an all call and force modernization was mentioned as one of the future AF challenges. One of our pilots asked a question regarding the modernization of our 40+ year old helicopter. Exact response is as follows:

SECAF: I'm sorry what do you fly?

Pilot: The UH-1N Huey

SECAF: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that aircraft. (Proceeds to talk about CRH)

20 AF/CC: Don't ask questions with acronyms that people don't know. (Then proceeds to talk about a previous question)

This was while on a road trip to AFGSC missile bases where there are only two types of MDS's; ICBMs and Huey's. She instantly lost credibility with every pilot in the room.

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She's a political appointee from a military-gutting liberal, I don't expect her to be able to vis recce every plane in the fleet, but she should at least know how to quickly dispose of 25k people

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She's a political appointee from a military-gutting liberal, I don't expect her to be able to vis recce every plane in the fleet, but she should at least know how to quickly dispose of 25k people

I detected your sarcasm so I thought I'd pile on.

Hueys have been around for a year or two. Maybe she's heard of a little operation commonly referred to as 'Nam. They played a small part in that one.

Seriously, I knew what a Huey was before I could tell a 15 from a 4. Or an eagle from a phantom.

Ba-dum cha!

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yes tnkr, I guess sarcasm can be tough to judge on the internet based on the number of "down votes" I get every time I post on here. This is a good place to vent, and a valuable resource to share rumors/lessons learned/and "heres what my vMPF says today." Thanks CHS17 for your funny memes, they make me laugh before I make the long walk to my GCS every night. Those of you who have been able to stay in a cockpit, I salute you. Please keep those of us who went through UPT only to be banished to a life of watching video feeds in your prayers.

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So I logged onto VMPF to see about changing my application. It was denied on 2/19 for UPT ADSC. I only have the option to 'view my previous applications' or 'apply for voluntary separation'...so I don't see the option anywhere to re-submit with the same control number.

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I am rechecking my status tomorrow. I have a feeling I was denied for ADSC. IF it was for a PCS I never wanted and was non-vol'd, I want to talk to base legal to double check that, since AFPC auto-checks the voluntary box for you.

If i am denied for ADSC due to UPT, I will appeal to the IG, though less sure about that process. My CC was in my office today and neither of us know where the argument stands. Is the UPT question resolved? Are all pilots ineligible for VSP if you have and UPT commitment left?

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If i am denied for ADSC due to UPT, I will appeal to the IG, though less sure about that process. My CC was in my office today and neither of us know where the argument stands. Is the UPT question resolved? Are all pilots ineligible for VSP if you have and UPT commitment left?

just curious why you think this will do anything and what exactly the complaint is?

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UPT is not listed as a waiverable ADSC in the PSDMS. Why are people still getting wrapped around that axle? I can't understand the straw grasping at this unambiguous fact. If/when they make it waiverable it's not going to be a secret and won't require any sleuthing to figure out.

Frankly all the folks who fired off applications for VSP who were clearly not eligible are just slowing down the process for those that are.

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Our base received an official email from Afpc with questions and answers yesterday.

-Afpc is still waiting on a memo from haf expanding adsc waivers for health professionals and rated personnel.

- A new eligibility matrix will be posted removing around 500 Airmen from eligibility (does not specify officer/enlisted).

- People with extended afscs will have a separate application window to alleviate the initial denials

Timing on all this is still tbd

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My case would be two fold on ADSC; that AFPC has said they are still deciding, but also that how I read the PSDMs was that they listed INeligibility criteria. I don't UPT was listed the last time I read it, making it a viable and eligible ADSC eligible issue. I'll reread.

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UPT is not listed as a waiverable ADSC in the PSDMS. Why are people still getting wrapped around that axle? I can't understand the straw grasping at this unambiguous fact. If/when they make it waiverable it's not going to be a secret and won't require any sleuthing to figure out.

Frankly all the folks who fired off applications for VSP who were clearly not eligible are just slowing down the process for those that are.

The rub is that if A) all RIF-eligible airmen will be eligible for voluntary programs and B) pilots in the 2005-2008 timeframe are RIF-eligible, then what voluntary programs exactly are they eligible for?

Obviously not TERA, Palace Chase has always been open...so VSP? Unclear the way I read everything. If pilots were, are and always have been ineligible for VSP specifically because of waiver authority issues in their known UPT ADSCs, why not spell that out clearly in a simple sentence instead of the fucking maze of cross-referenced, always-changing PSDMs?

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UPT is not listed as a waiverable ADSC in the PSDMS. Why are people still getting wrapped around that axle? I can't understand the straw grasping at this unambiguous fact. If/when they make it waiverable it's not going to be a secret and won't require any sleuthing to figure out.

Frankly all the folks who fired off applications for VSP who were clearly not eligible are just slowing down the process for those that are.

They changed the PSDMs two days before the window opened adding that little reference to 13-65. That reference was only in the VSP PSDM and not in the RIF PSDM, 13-130. Why would we think 13-130 applied to those of us eligible for the RIF? Because AFPC said that was what RIF eligible individuals should go by. Moreover, 13-130 described eligibility and procedures for applying for the VSP and it said explicitly the same as the SECAF and CSAF have been saying: if you're RIF eligible, you're eligible for the VSP. Additionally, the VSP eligibility matrix lists us as eligible while everyone in our year group has an ADSC.

So, on the one side we had one statement in a PSDM that AFPC was saying didn't apply and on the other side we had all manner of evidence and reason. As for consequences, we'd already told our bosses we wanted out. There was no downside difference and a huge upside difference between applying and not applying. Only a complete idiot would've not applied at that point.

Lawyered

Our base received an official email from Afpc with questions and answers yesterday.

-Afpc is still waiting on a memo from haf expanding adsc waivers for health professionals and rated personnel.

- A new eligibility matrix will be posted removing around 500 Airmen from eligibility (does not specify officer/enlisted).

- People with extended afscs will have a separate application window to alleviate the initial denials

Timing on all this is still tbd

Thanks for posting. Somebody has to make up for the inadequacy of AFPCs communication. If only they had a website or something...

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