chim richalds Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I tend to agree, but, 13-65 is from last summer, with nothing about vsp being highlighted (changed). You can be vsp eligible but not rif eligible. I think its a long shot, but if they would like to have rif eligibles leave first, wouldn't they have to honor 13-130? If they want us to do palace chase, why even offer vsp. I hate that my life has become looking for details on afpc generated bullshit.
Dreamkiller43 Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Anyone know how far the vsp apps go? Does it stop at AFPC or go the SECAF level? I would think that since it is categorized as a "SECAF early release program" That it would go to her level, but who knows?
tunes Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 if they allowed for PC apps while deployed I know at least half the people in my deployed unit would have gone that route instead of VSP.
FLY6584 Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 if they allowed for PC apps while deployed I know at least half the people in my deployed unit would have gone that route instead of VSP. Why is that? I would rather VSP and then go Guard/Reserve. If you Palace Chase you miss out on the Separation Pay, but retain the option to go full time in the Guard/Reserve. Unless you aren't interested in flying for the airlines a TG or TR position should be just fine.
tunes Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Why is that? I would rather VSP and then go Guard/Reserve. If you Palace Chase you miss out on the Separation Pay, but retain the option to go full time in the Guard/Reserve. Unless you aren't interested in flying for the airlines a TG or TR position should be just fine. more likely to get approved, and I don't care about the separation pay.
FLY6584 Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 more likely to get approved, and I don't care about the separation pay. Yeah the better likelihood of getting approved is nice, but for me it's almost a mental thing. I hate to walk away from such a big part of my life with nothing to show for it. Sure we had TSP and our own savings, but had we been at a civilian company for 7-8 years plus we would have a pretty solid 401k as we transitioned to our next company.
Learjetter Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) That's refreshing. That's the type of commander that will actually follow Air Force guidance to not hold it against anyone that applies for VSP and is subsequently denied. Wish there were more like him. Almost every one I've ever known (15 of 16 commanders in 22 years, in three communities) has had this attitude. It's far more prevalent than the douchenozzles who are often described on this board... Edited February 7, 2014 by Learjetter
Duck Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Sorry to hijack but what are the financial implications for walking into a Technician job from Active Duty (UPT base/IP)? Is that a good deal as an IP? What kind of compensation should someone expect compared to the AD teet I've been sucking on for the past 6 years?
chim richalds Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 If the 4 star at afpc had any balls, he would address our eligibility issues. Sadly he is probably working on setting up his consulting job while we sit here and squirm over semantics and help center phone calls
HeloDude Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 If the 4 star at afpc had any balls, he would address our eligibility issues. Sadly he is probably working on setting up his consulting job while we sit here and squirm over semantics and help center phone calls 4 Star?
Rusty Pipes Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Still no Chang, huh??? I figured Liquid would have at least checked in by now... at least you know you'll get an honest "senior Officer" perspective from him (to his credit). Pretty hard for anyone to defend both the TERA and VSP clown show though...
FLY6584 Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Does anyone know how to check if your Commander has input their comments/recommendation yet? Are we notified when they do? The website has been so overloaded I haven't been back on since I submitted my application.
ThreeHoler Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Seen elsewhere on the Internets (attributed to an O-6): "I've just spoken AFPC/DPSOR Retirements and Separations Branch to get clarification on 11M eligibility for VSP. Per PSDM 13-65 (amended 5 Feb 14), undergraduate pilot training and advanced pilot training ADSCs are not being waived. AFPC confirmed that this is currently true and any VSP packages submitted by pilots with a flying ADSC will be disapproved."
Fifty-six & Two Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 HOT****Just got off the phone with total force service again. Finally got some helpful info. She said that if you are eligible for the RIF than 13-130 is the ONLY PSDM that applies to you. 14-08 is only for those not eligible. 13-130 has no such statement about referencing 13-65 for ADSC waivers. It's back on! Now how do I find good health insurance under obamacare? Wife is pregnant and due after separation. Ya right. Like they have enough foresight to make 2 completely separate PSDMs, one for those who are RIF eligible and one for those who are not. Don't give them that much credit as I have yet to see where they deserve it. Anyone know how far the vsp apps go? Does it stop at AFPC or go the SECAF level? I would think that since it is categorized as a "SECAF early release program" That it would go to her level, but who knows? Last time they were approved/denied at the AFPC level. 1
ComingLeft Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Well, AF this is one way to keep your talent and ensure no one is around to retire. If VSP is denied/botched, there is not enough money in the DoD budget to keep 2004-2008 YGs.
chizz Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 to see where your VSP application is, log into vMPF, upper right you will see case mgmt system, click on it, that has your open CMS cases, it will show where it is at this moment. But dont hang out in there, heard commanders cant get it and if you keep logging it it makes it harder for the person who asked about health care, if you separate via VSP you are not eligible for TAP benefits (different than TAP class) one of those benefits is the health care extending 6 months after your separation. I highly encourage trying to get on with a unit at least until that kid is 1!! you never know, and being in FTU or picking up a 60 day deployment you would be on orders and after the deployment and before you get free healthcare
chim richalds Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Seen elsewhere on the Internets (attributed to an O-6): "I've just spoken AFPC/DPSOR Retirements and Separations Branch to get clarification on 11M eligibility for VSP. Per PSDM 13-65 (amended 5 Feb 14), undergraduate pilot training and advanced pilot training ADSCs are not being waived. AFPC confirmed that this is currently true and any VSP packages submitted by pilots with a flying ADSC will be disapproved." Such bs, why even let me apply? You already sent me to uavs you clowns.
audioflyer Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 VSP = pay back Tuition Assistance? Anybody know? 13-130 seems to say no, but could be talking about RIF only. 14-08 doesn't mention it.
lossofclocklossofdata Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) Ya right. Like they have enough foresight to make 2 completely separate PSDMs, one for those who are RIF eligible and one for those who are not. Don't give them that much credit as I have yet to see where they deserve it. Last time they were approved/denied at the AFPC level. Well if what she told me is true than the whole rule about "if you are eligible for involuntary programs then you are eligible for voluntary programs" makes more sense. Maybe we all want AFPC to fail harder so we can continue to sports bitch on these forums. Trying to stay optimistic but I do enjoy the banter at their expense. to see where your VSP application is, log into vMPF, upper right you will see case mgmt system, click on it, that has your open CMS cases, it will show where it is at this moment. But dont hang out in there, heard commanders cant get it and if you keep logging it it makes it harder for the person who asked about health care, if you separate via VSP you are not eligible for TAP benefits (different than TAP class) one of those benefits is the health care extending 6 months after your separation. I highly encourage trying to get on with a unit at least until that kid is 1!! you never know, and being in FTU or picking up a 60 day deployment you would be on orders and after the deployment and before you get free healthcare Made that health care discovery today. Luckily with obamacare her preexisting pregnancy issue can't deny us coverage. Though it will be expensive. Anyone know if we can change our original DOS request? I was so happy to just get on the application that I didn't fully think about the timeline. Put 1 Aug. If I go back to 29 sep it may be covered. 17 sep due date. Is it worth 2 more month at cannonanistan? Edited February 7, 2014 by lossofclocklossofdata
Tnkr Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 VSP = pay back Tuition Assistance? Anybody know? 13-130 seems to say no, but could be talking about RIF only. 14-08 doesn't mention it. Hard to say. I agree that 13-130 says that TA will be considered complete if selected for separation. If they get far enough down the batch to your app and the only hang up is TA, I have a hard time believing they'd want to continue paying you thousands of dollars per month for the hundreds they paid for you masters. Then again, this is AFPC...BTW, one thing to think about. Rumor is that as soon as you have a separation date approved, you are considered unemployed by most banks (loans, etc.) and insurance companies. May vary by state, but look into it if you're thinking of buying a house once you've been VSP approved/RIF'd.
Karl Hungus Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) You know, I think there is a much more sinister consequence to this entire debacle. It's the amazing lack of credibility that has been demonstrated by senior leaders in the Air Force. With so much flip-flopping, doublespeak, faith-breaking, retractions, and "corrections" that have gone on with this sort of thing, there is simply no fucking way I can ever take a GO at their word. They're managers, and piss-poor ones at that. Very little of what they do involves actual leadership. It's sad how toxic this organization has become. Edited February 7, 2014 by Karl Hungus 2
tunes Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) so if you have no become VSP ineligible as a pilot, that means you aren't RIF eligible either..... Edited February 7, 2014 by tunes
pawnman Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 so if you have no become VSP ineligible as a pilot, that means you aren't RIF eligible either..... Despite what the overage matrix would have you believe. Until they figure out that we still need to cut people. I'm guessing this is about to go A LOT like it did last time...deny a bunch of people, then RIF them (or others in their AFSC and year group) because "we didn't get enough volunteers".
Skitzo Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 A lot of this stuff could be fixed if they moved pilots, navs, abms, operators, blah blah blah everyone that hacks a mish into the "Line of the Air Force" and everyone else that "supports the mish" goes into the "Restricted Line" That way they can announce a RIF Board for the Restricted Line and get rid of the people they want to instead of actively misleading everyone.
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