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22 hours ago, DirkDiggler said:
3 pages back you you said you'd be a contentious objector after almost 20 years of service if your religious exemption got denied. So after almost 20 years of service, are you a contentious objector or aren't you? Or more direct question, if you're active duty; did your commander give you a direct order to take the Pfizer shot? And if so, did you refuse the direct order? How deep does your dedication to your beliefs on the Constitution (and what your view as an illegal order) go?
More importantly, after 49 pages of thrash over the COVID shot, how many active duty members on this forum have actually chosen to separate over the military COVID vaccine mandate? Not asking Reserve or Guard, not asking waiting on a valid religious or medical exemption. I get that BaseOps is place that some come to bitch about military matters in general; if people stop bitching, there's probably something wrong. But I have yet to encounter an actual mass resistance on active duty to the mandate.
I literally know of one person out of probably 500+ that has actually chosen to separate over the vaccine mandate. That person will be civilian in a couple weeks. I wish him the best of luck.
I don't give a baker's fuck about the civilian side of this argument; I'm not a civilian and won't be for a couple years at least. FWIW, I don't think on the civilian side that the government should be able to go door-to-door sticking a needle in anyone's arms. That's not my farm and not my monkey's. This isn't even close to the dumbest vaccine the military has made me get (JEV and Anthrax would take that trophy).
Seriously, how many on active duty on this forum have actually directly refused the order to get vaccine? And how many people, besides Negatory (noted exception, good for you), have actually changed their beliefs based on the dialogue on this thread?
1. If someone were to come to me and give me a direct order to get a covid shot, I’d tell them to their face that I don’t believe it’s a lawful order and that if they really want to directly order me, then they can put it in writing. Then, I’ll file it away for a lawsuit. To date, there haven’t been any takers.
2. I won’t separate That’s giving up. It does nothing to fight the situation.
3. I object to getting the vaccine. Yes. There is minimal risk to our demographic and definitely not one that outweighs my religious waiver.
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On 12/4/2021 at 8:44 PM, Mark1 said:
Concerned about their personal health? WTF. Are you telling me it's acceptable to disobey an order if it's a threat to your personal health (which doesn't apply in this scenario, but I'll grant it for the sake of argument)?
Taking Hamburger Hill was a threat to personal health. Landing at Normandy was a threat to personal health. Helicopter infil onto Takur Ghar to recover Neil Roberts was a threat to personal health. Stepping outside the wire for a routine low-risk patrol is a threat to personal health. Spending countless hours breathing aircraft exhaust, exposed to loud noises and high speed heavy machinery that could end you at any moment, is a threat to personal health.You mean to tell me every individual military member is empowered to refuse to do all of those things (and literally every other fucking thing the military does) because they might get hurt? Shit, I must have missed that memo.
The foundation of military service is literally a concept of sacrificing personal well-being for a collective good. As I said...snowflakes.LMAO. The purpose of the military is not to be a lab rat and be experimented on against our will . Those that are standing up for freedom against the jab are doing exactly what the military is designed to do. Uphold the constitution.
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2 hours ago, arg said:
Great, new variant hitting the streets. Multiple news sources reporting.
They needed panic throughout the holidays.
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3 hours ago, TheNewGazmo said:
So the real question is; is the FDA looking into any of this research or did they just buy Pfizer's bullshit trial and not think to look any further?
At this point, covering up the pandemic of the vaccinated will be paramount for every person and company and politician who pushed or supported the jab on the population.
meet the new self licking ice cream cone.
evenrually though, the data will be too hard to ignore. Some posters on here may even wake up. Everyone at my work who has been diagnosed with covid in the past month have all been vaccinated.
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13 hours ago, FLEA said:
The AF has denied several thousand religious accomodations but not one has been denied on religious grounds. Every single denial has recognized the Airmen's religious concerns as being genuine, but the MAJCOM commander denies the request anyway due to "operational considerations." A few of the letters are floating on the amn/nco/snco FB. The appeal process goes through the AF/SG, but it must be evaluated in context of the reason of the denial, not in the religious context.
So based on the above article and narrative it would sound that the plaintiffs in that case are correct, the DoD never had any intention of allowing religious accomodations which would potentially be in violation of federal laws.
Curious if anyone knows, if all the above is true, and you held a letter from your MAJCOM commander that recognized your religious views as genuine, what do you think declaring consciousness objector status would lead to? Seems like a pretty big knot to untangle, especially if you gave 10,000 or so people do it at once.
I’m gonna do it if mine is denied.
I can retire in mid 2023, have passed my last AEF bucket, as not PCSing anymore and have zero TDYs on schedule. There is absolutely zero reason to deny mine based on operational needs....and my religious portion is genuine.
if denied, I’ll keep appealing and then go the contentious objector route.
Eglin just went to 100% no masks for the vaccinated. We have turned into a Marxist organization.
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If you aren’t vaccinated 3 times, then you aren’t fully vaccinated. That’s coming next!
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4 hours ago, Prozac said:
Except vaccines work best when the majority of the population is vaccinated. Even with the less than perfect effectiveness of the current vaccines, a highly vaccinated population will give COVID far less opportunity to spread and perhaps more importantly, to mutate. Also, even young, healthy adults are highly likely to catch this bug at some point. The vaccine may well mean the difference between a case of the sniffles or an extended stay in the hospital with potential “long covid” complications down the road. Seems like a win-win to me. But what seems to be the unequivocal opinion of the nay sayers is: it’s all about me. I don’t feel vulnerable & fuck those who are (or may be going home to family members who are). I guess that’s where we’re at as a country these days. Not willing to make even small changes in our behavior for the greater good. It’s a bit depressing.
A majority of the population has been vaccinated for 6 months.
this thing has gone to 15 days to stop the spread.... to a year of shutdown. Now they told everyone things would get back to normal once 50%-60% had the vaccine. Now they want 100%! It will never be enough. This is about control.
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You guys are arguing about the wrong metric
it doesn’t matter if 20% get the virus or 100%. What matters is how dangerous it actually is to our military demographic. Spoiler: not very
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12 hours ago, JackWhite said:
I've got my vaccine recently and I'll say that everything is ok with me. Unfortunately forsed to do that, but at the end feel nothing really special to be honest. Seems like my health is good and can take this amount of virus easily.
People that are holdouts, are not doing so because they are afraid of short term issues. It’s the 5 to 10 year issues that are wildly unknown at this point.
glad you are doing OK!
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11 hours ago, Muscle2002 said:
The comment above is similar to the following comment.
“There’s is zero data that shows there are long term effects of the vaccine”I am guessing near zero religious accommodations are approved yet is because they aren’t that far along in the process.
ive done all of my paperwork and meetings within the first day allowed, and my package is still with the RRT
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On 11/5/2021 at 8:59 PM, FUSEPLUG said:
Southwest just kicked the can further down the road. No action required (shots or accommodation requests) until 4 January. At that point they will “reach out to individuals” to discuss each case.
They’ve also determined that as a federal contractor, the OSHA rules won’t apply… for now.
At least some of the military is fighting for freedom! Even if it is the former pilots.
as I’ve said many times. Current military leadership is a joke. All the way down to Gp/CC and even below.
time for many to start critically thinking and defending our constitution against all enemies.
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On 11/5/2021 at 10:15 AM, arg said:
I wonder what's in the pill.
This raises some questions. From the article
In a study of more than 1,200 COVID-19 patients with a higher risk of developing serious illness, people who took Pfizer's pills were far less likely to end up in the hospital compared to people who got placebo pills. None of the people who got the real pills died, but 10 people who got placebo pills died, according to results summarized in a Pfizer press release.
Fear and broken promises are in the pill
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9 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:
You don’t think losing your job is a punishment?
They won’t lose their job. The gov civ is the most protected worker on the race of the earth. uS mil is the least protected.
Biden will get what he wanted by tricking 10% of gov civs to get the vax. But he won’t be able to do anything to the ones that don’t. Watch.
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48 minutes ago, pawnman said:
Anthrax?
I didnt get it. Didn’t deploy during that time.
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1 hour ago, pawnman said:
Do you feel the same about all the other vaccines you've taken?
No, by the time I had taken those, they he actually been tested/in use for years/decades. This whole covid thing is a scam. And 70% of people are loving it and everything it has done to the world.
we have a “vaccine” that mitigates symptoms for those who want it. That should have been enough. But this will never end until the collective WE, stand up.
through this all, the rich have been made richer. The small biz population has folded. Governments have taken more authority. More division has been caused. All part of the plan, IMO.
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16 hours ago, Prozac said:
KIO with this bullshit. You’re focusing on semantics and legalese that don’t mean shit. The Pfizer vaccine is approved and no longer experimental. Period. Dot. Quit acting like a toddler. If you don’t want the vaccine, fine. But man up and accept the consequences instead of being a whiny bitch.
You are the experiment. The experiment doesn’t end just because the FDA says so. After all, they are paid to do that. 55% of their funding is from big pharma.
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Also, civs won’t be punished, is my theory. They can’t be. That was the wrong hornets nest to kick up.
sure, it will scare some of the weak-minded into getting the vaccine. But those that still refuse will be just fine.
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16 hours ago, Prozac said:
Round and round with some of you guys. What do you think would happen to you if you refused any other vaccine? It’s absolutely a legal order & regardless of your wider views on civil mandates, I expect members of the United States military services to follow the legal orders of the officers appointed over them. If you can’t do that, GTF out or suffer the consequences. Don’t expect me or anyone else to have any sympathy or listen to your lame bullshit excuses.
What’s legal about forcing a brand new vaccine on the military population who is largely unaffected by the virus?
the long term effects of the vaccine are still unknown.
history will be on my side. I have no doubt. We are living through a Marxist hostile takeover right now. And many (like you) seems to be able to see that.
the vaccine is there. People should have a choice. I have missed at least 6 flu vaccinations during my career. I was never forced out.
I’ll remain the control for this “experiment” as long as I can. I’ll let you know if I’m forced out. So far, I’m still here.
this isn’t political, except that it’s a freedom thing, and biden wants to take that away. Trump got the vaccine, that didn’t make all of his followers automatically want it. He’s old. He probably was a higher risk and needed it. WE DONT need it as the military demographic. Neither do kids.
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It NOT a lawful order. UCMJ for not getting the jab is absurd.
our leaders are pussies
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6 hours ago, Waingro said:
"I'm hearing talk of..."
"A lot of good people are saying..."
"It's been said that..."
I was hoping this mealy-mouthed bullshít had said farewell, but it's clearly parasitic.
So, go on, where did you hear about mandatory booster shots, and from whom?
His comments of RUMORS is what has you most worked up about this situation?
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8 hours ago, streak said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/10/28/vaccine-mandate-air-force/
no religious exemptions for vaccines in The Navy in seven years?
It’s propaganda. Just like the news tries telling us 78% of 12 and up are Vaxxed. Trying to pressure people into being sheep and following the masses, even if it’s fake news
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8 hours ago, guineapigfury said:
I've been through this. Here is my experience from 2016. First the Air Force will offer you continuation (usually to 20) or not. If they don't offer, you will receive involuntary separation pay (assuming you did not write a "do not promote me" letter to the promotion board). If they do offer continuation, you can accept or not accept. If you accept continuation, you just continue to serve in the Air Force. All of your relevant ADSCs still apply, but there isn't any new ADSC for accepting continuation. If you do not accept, you have a few months to get out of the Air Force (6 IIRC). Be aware that this counts as an involuntary separation, but you won't get involuntary separation pay. The distinction matters because Big Blue processes involuntary separations for officers MUCH faster than voluntary separations. A voluntary separation has to work its way through all the wickets to the approval authority who is the SECAF. An involuntary separation is approved by literally some SSgt at AFPC. I was able to get out in just over a month.
Yep.
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57 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:
My boss was vax’d and got COVID few weeks ago and he definitely knew he had it. Beat him up for two days then he was good.
Yes, that’s good. He knew to stay home. Others dont get that knowledge and have been the super spreaders.
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