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On 1/8/2022 at 8:32 PM, disgruntledemployee said:
That guy sounds like, suppose the Wright Bros told everyone to never fly on an airplane. I understand he came up with the idea, but it took a huge number of people to develop the idea into a product. Now he just sounds like a qwack.
He only sounds like a quack because the media makes him out to be one....and all the sheep jump on board and shame him and his thoughts
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We are quickly headed towards a military that allows zero thinking. We are only allowed to be lemmings and blindly follow our “leaders”, no matter how flawed they are.
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3 hours ago, M2 said:
I guess our hope is that COVID will magically disappear like the Spanish Flu...
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-we-can-learn-from-the-1918-flu-pandemic-as-the-omicron-variant-spreadsThat is a likely scenario, yes.
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15 hours ago, Pooter said:
Define irony:
The guy who's going to lose his job..
because he's refusing modern medicine..
during a pandemic..
because of something a 2000 year old book told him..
lecturing everyone else on accountability.
All of this chatter about how bad Christianity is...is pretty sickening. No one who wants to avoid the vaccine is trying to push it to be abolished so that the others can have it.
additionally, name something that Christianity is pushing on the world that is so bad? The biggest thing most of you will say is abortion termination. Watch out!! We want to avoid murder of helpless babies.
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23 minutes ago, CaptainMorgan said:
Right, except for the fact the vaccinated are less likely to be hospitalized. I’m gonna make a guess that if there are long term effects from the virus, they are going to present far more seriously in someone admitted to the hospital compared to someone who needed a bottle of NyQuil and a box of tissues to recover.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkTime will tell. Since you guys have already volunteered to be the experiment, I’ll be the control.
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2 hours ago, DosXX said:
You're assuming there is no long term risk for having COVID either, which we also don't know. What evidence so you have to suggest one has a higher long term risk than the other?
Everyone’s getting covid. Even the vaccinated. So they’ll have both unknown long term risks to deal with.
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3 hours ago, Waingro said:
1% of a large population is still a huge number.
1 in every 100 people older than 65, who were alive on day 1 of the pandemic, have now died from COVID-19.
I didn’t know they were in the military demographic. Which I specifically stated.
im fine with people getting it. Some people are higher risk Others just want to get it because it makes them feel safe Whatev That’s fine. But it’s not urgent enough of a problem for the military to mandate it.
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10 minutes ago, pawnman said:
Or... and follow with me here...seatbelts and airbags. It's like a pillow that's only there when you need it.
Want to try a different analogy?
Sure. How about something that 99% effective (natural immunity or a vaccine). Against a threat that only effects the military demographic at less than 1%??
why do we need two 99% effective solutions,?
we are trying to solve a 1% risk by throwing an unknown, but likely greater risk (long term and short term side effects) on top of it.
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35 minutes ago, pawnman said:
Yep.
I wonder if he's got a religious accommodation for the flu shot. Since it was developed using that same fetal cell line.
False. Yes it’s possible to be done that way. But DOd influenza vaccines are not sourced from and do not leverage hek293
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19 hours ago, pawnman said:
Pretty sure this is EXACTLY what the Kentucky study found. Infection + vaccine is better immunity than infection or vaccine alone.
Wearing a seatbelt and having a pillow taped to your stomach is also safer than wearing a seatbelt or taping a pillow alone.
that doesn’t mean we need both...
in this case, the pillow is getting the vaccine.
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7 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said:
I know what side effect you’re likely to get from not getting the vaccine: administrative separation prior to reaching 20 (and no, sanctuary doesn’t protect you from that).
One way or another you’re going to get poked; I’d take the needle over the shaft if I were you.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI will have to, if it comes to that.
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2 hours ago, pawnman said:
Weird that the only one with statistically significant side effects is the traditional vaccine and not the mRNA vaccines everyone's worried about.
The only one who’s side effects haven’t been able to be kept hidden by the media.
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2 hours ago, CaptainMorgan said:
Did you read what you just quoted? Nothing in that suggests that fetal cells are used to make the flavoring, as you previously claimed.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI guess you need to re read it. I’m not going to keep reiterating facts. At least not this soon after I just posted it.
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39 minutes ago, brickhistory said:
Guess that depends on which of the non-vaccine vaccines you marched happily in to receive:
But trust the science...
What!! You mean they didnt have this properly vetted when they started allowing millions to take it “safely” and “without any data suggesting long term effects?”
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3 hours ago, pawnman said:
Jesus christ.
No, they don't contain fetal tissue. They were developed using the fetal tissue to research things like uptake rates, permeability, reactions to compounds.
None of these products contains ground up babies for flavor.
Straight from Wikipedia.
Around year 2001, Senomyx patented several flavour enhancers by using "proprietary taste receptor-based assay systems", which have been previously expressed in human cell culture, in HEK293 cells.[2] HEK293 cells are a cell line widely used in biological and medical research, immortalised through a genetic modification removed from the original human embryonic kidney cells taken from a healthy, aborted human fetus in the early 1970s.[3]there are similar products I’m not sure why you are mad. I said I wouldn’t use them. Even if they only once used that method, I can do without.
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6 minutes ago, hockeydork said:
Respect your beliefs, but genuine question on how your thought flows, if you don't want to answer please feel free not to. This is not intended to ignite some hostile debate.
Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the HEK293 cells from one fetus in like 1973 and they've just been multiplying them ever since? If so isn't this the lesser of two evils option? Yes that fetus did not get a chance at life, which is tragic, but it did result in being for the greater good and it is already done. i.e one tragedy to save who knows how many lives. How do you rectify that with being in the military. Military officers make the decision to take life all the time, in the name of the greater good. It's really the only reason you can justify plopping a JDAM on someones head/a nuke on two cities in Japan is because you think it will save lives/make the world a safer and more secure place. Genuinely curious how you rectify those discrepancies. Come judgement day, if there is one, how do you explain that to the lord.
It’s a good question.
my answer:
Sure, fetal cells research can have benefits, that doesn’t mean I have to be OK with how it came about. I’m doing my best to not use those products. If more people did it, then it might even make a difference. But it has already happened...so now we should just reap the benefits? I just don’t want to advance the practice of abortion any further to be socially acceptable. That’s about all I can do as an individual.
im not sure we can equate this to a nuclear bomb. I wasn’t yet alive and didn’t make that decision. My thoughts on that... it’s a shame that bad guys hide behind and within good people. How do we stop that? I dont know. Obviously every thing we can do to not have civilian casualties should be taken.
my only point is that I shouldn’t be forced to take/support a product that is against my religious beliefs when the product has next no value to my demographic as a whole. Let those who want the vaccine get it. Fine. Be happy and “safe” (short term safe...no one knows what long term effects there might be, hopefully none)
but there isn’t a risk that outweighs my true religious views. This was all a money grab. And will continue to be. I won’t support it until an ethical vaccine comes out.
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4 minutes ago, brickhistory said:
My biggest and saddest realization during the Kung flu is just how many Americans happily/blindly/cooperatively (take your pick) gave up their individuality and ability to make personal health decisions.
I am shocked to see how many working level law enforcement went along with the madness "because they were ordered to."
The military is a little different case because they can order it and fighting a lawful order takes guts/financial resources/ability to care for family while fighting. Yet a not insequential number did so.
Next big revelation was how many other "demoncracies" went the full monty fascist when given a chance.
Some happy campers on this thread.
Not hard to play "guess the fascist in waiting."
Great point. There many on this thread that are overJOYED with the liberties we have lost and the control the government has taken from us “for the greater good”.
hopefully one day, they will wake up. Perhaps when they are running the gulags, or in them when they didn’t want booster #12
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1 hour ago, CaptainMorgan said:
Whatever your religious objections are, you can’t honestly believe that fetal cell development is a reason that anyone chooses to have an abortion. Your religious beliefs also shouldn’t dictate ethics to a world where a majority of the population doesn’t share your religion.
Abortion exists, it will never go away. Banning fetal cell research will not stop abortions, but it will hinder potentially life-saving research.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI simply want to do all I can to not support the social acceptance of murder of souls who have no voice.
I answer to my maker, we all will have to some day. Not biden or any AF “leader” who can’t stand up for religious rights. I think it’s obvious at this point that our leadership within the military has failed us on SO many levels. Those O6 and aboves need to be removed and hopefully there are better leaders ready to come up.
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2 hours ago, pawnman said:
But do you now avoid all foods and beverages developed using those fetal cells?
Yes. I did my best to look them up. Trident gum. Lipton tea. Gatorade. Etc.
the foods CONTAIN fetal cells “Flavoring”
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10 hours ago, TheNewGazmo said:14 hours ago, Waingro said:Out of genuine curiosity: what is the framework for the religious exemption request, that doesn't apply to any of the other required vaccines?
I legitimately want to learn more, I don't feel like I have a good understanding of how important this is to some people.The big thing would be the usage of fetal stem cells to develop the COVID-19 vaccines. Anything beyond that is stretching their religious freedom IMO, because yes, what about all of those other vaccines?
Correct.
Christianity does not support abortions, especially those for convenience. Anything that pushes abortion to be more socially acceptable is not something I want to support. All of the US vaccines were brought to market quickly by leveraging fetal cells lines in their development some way or another. There are actually ethical ways to do this, but big pharma just wants to make money as quick as possible. Most religious exemptions are doing so based on the above.
there aren’t many other vaccines that leveraged fetal cells. There are a few, but information regarding that was never readily available to the normal person, and it wasn’t a reasonable expectation that any member thought those vaccines HAD aborted fetal cells in them/tested with them... so very few people actually asked. Similar to if I ask every restaurant I go to if there are aborted fetal cells in the food....not a reasonable expectation for me to do so.
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55 minutes ago, ViperMan said:
Comments like this invariably need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
I do not think I’m smarter than the medical professionals, rather thinking that the many medical professional who are against a mandatory vaccine, yet are being hushed by big pharma, media, and CDC, are probably smarter than those desk types at the CDC and big pharma. The drs at the CDC and big pharma are just politicians and pawns now...and dont have our true best interest in mind.
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4 hours ago, DosXX said:
In before the goalpost shift to religious exemption argument
J and J also didn’t get shutdown for blood clots or other complications...so it has that going for it.
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23 hours ago, FLEA said:
I don't think thats quite on point. It's standard in research to recommend future research based off analysis of your study plus literature gaps. Author is literally stating "long term outcomes" warrants future nomination for research. Those nominations are important because they can be used to solicit funding etc....
"Six studies conducted on myocarditis recommend further analysis on the long term outcomes of myocarditis patients who recovered from COVID-19."
My point is clearly, why is the government making something mandatory when it’s long term effects are clearly unknown.....all while stating that “there is no evidence that shows there is long term damage”
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12 hours ago, pawnman said:
From the study:
Conclusions:Most cases of suspected COVID-19 vaccine myocarditis occurring in persons <21 years have a mild clinical course with rapid resolution of symptoms. Abnormal findings on cMRI were frequent. Future studies should evaluate risk factors, mechanisms, and long-term outcomes.
So long term outcomes gave not been studied? Gottit
COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)
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Saw a Religious Waiver denied today. It was for an Lt. It touted that they saw the beliefs were genuine, but couldn’t get past the readiness issue based on duties and rank.