BashiChuni

+1 awesome guy

airspace is a bigger problem here than basing

This. Fools. Ukraine never had the capability to win this. It’s a simple math problem.

Keep showing your ignorance

The inaugural pledge of Thomas Jefferson was no less clear: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none."

I’m on the side of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. So yes I am on the right side. winning in Ukraine involves fighting WW3. Something not in our interest or the worlds.

loser mentality. sorry i care about winning. if the commitment isn't correct we shouldn't make it. agree to disagree i guess. "sorry mom your son died in a BS foreign war, but HEY at least we kept our word!"

is your argument all of those were successes? i wouldn't have gotten involved in any of those

getting a new car anyways. commuting <75 nm to a reserve gig and wanna also use it as an airport car. live in the south.

thread revive: thinking of buying a new Model 3 to take adv. of tax credit. need the car to be a airport/commuter car. those of you that have teslas can you give me a quick pro/con? anything you wish you knew before purchasing one? turns out there's a income limit to the tax credit. 😕

the WWII comparisons show a profound lack of historical and current event understanding simpletons.

keep blindly trusting in the national security state that has lied to you since 1945! now we have UK and France discussing deploying troops inside ukraine...what could go wrong! i'm sure putin is just BLUFFING come on guys 🤡

and yet they remain facts. putin can't even capture kiev...how TF is he going to "restore soviet glory"? put the crack pipe of fear mongering down. meanwhile this lame duck administration is trying as hard as they can to get us involved into WW3 before 20 jan

NATO existed to fight the soviet union. when the cold war ended, and russia was broke, they wanted to join europe. we vehemently said no. that is by definition russia extending a olive branch to the west. post 1990 there was NO reason to keep expanding NATO, a MILITARY ALLIANCE, right up to the border of russia. the russians told us this would piss them off. our own intelligence said that would piss them off. we DGAF and did it anyway. and now we are FAFOing

because in 1990 we fucking beat them and the cold war was over. it was us vs the soviets not us vs russia

russia wanted to join nato. rebuffed. russia wanted a peace deal. the US scuttled it. russia warned us not to keep advancing nato east. rebuffed. russia warned us that ukraine joining nato was a red line. we plowed full steam ahead in 2008...disregarding warnings from Germany and France AND our own CIA. these are facts and they are undisputed. the facts are the US has been poking russia in the eye since 1990s because we can.

i cannot wait for Trump to shut down this ukraine misadventure.

especially after pissing away lives and treasure the past two decades in forever middle east wars. some of you are SO eager to get right back into it.

apples to oranges.

so way back in 2008 our intelligence people were saying that adding ukraine to nato or even talking about adding them will touch off instability in the region. and a possible civil war. why do it? is that really spreading peace and democracy? or are other factors at work. we knew there was a hornet nest on the ground and decided to kick it. then blame the hornets. and now that the russians are reacting precisely the way our CIA predicted they would, some of you want to start WW3. you're being played and manipulated.

not an agreement, but minutes of a conversation between sec state baker and Soviet Foreign Minister Shevardnadze in 1990. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/16115-document-04-memorandum-conversation-between why is it in NATO's interest to expand up to the borders of Russia? what does that possibly gain? --- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/04/nato.russia "The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, today repeated his warning that Moscow would view any attempt to expand Nato to its borders as a "direct threat". - 2008 https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/02/27/us-nato-expansion-ukraine-russia-intervene/ Senior US government officials knew as far back as 2008 that the possibility of adding Ukraine to NATO was seen as a serious “military threat” by Russia, one that crosses Moscow’s security “redlines” and could force it to intervene. Yet Western leaders continued insisting that Ukraine would join the US-led military alliance, right up until Russia did indeed intervene in February 2022. But privately, US diplomats knew that this move would be seen as an existential threat by Moscow, and could provoke Russian military intervention in Ukraine. The former US ambassador to Russia, William J. Burns, who is now director of the CIA, warned in a February 2008 embassy cable that Ukraine constituted a security “redline” for Moscow. below is now CIA director Burns memo in 2008 ---