Welcome Thrillho

As an 11M who just left ACC staff, trust me... they are not putting us in positions where CAF expertise is necessary. Those billets are saved for your typical superstars (gotta have your boxes checked). I think those guys actually appreciated us outsiders, who populated the "Land of Misfit Toys".

I'm at Langley now. I live in Newport News near the airport. If you want to limit your commute to 45 min and under, I would highly suggest avoiding anything south across the water... unless you travel before 0600 and after 1900.

Liquid, These methods insult our intelligence. All this exercise did was highlight the fact that now we have leaders who will break rules just to trap us. We all become hyper-sensitive and start mistaking real issues for another test. Now we have to be careful with what we say or how we act with what was "normal" last year isn't now, and A1C So-and-So is hyper-sensitive and empowered to challenge/report on what his supervisors and/or officers do and say with this kind of petty crap that only offends because the Air Force tells us so. Call me paranoid, but it's starting to feel like this "Cultural Revolution" is growing a new Red Guard. Funny about your term "normal" people because as Helo stated earlier, a picture of your wife in a bikini wasn't abnormal a year ago. Now it's sexual harassment? WWI nose art? YGBFSM. You want to know why the forum is focusing on this petty subject? For one, it was the example used in the "sting". Two, it's so ridiculous yet telling of how there is no normal anymore when leadership decides to dictate on what normal is. Maybe the reason it took so long for someone to report it is because normal people wouldn't give a , and the one that reported did a good job paying attention in one of the many SAPR briefs to report what the Air Force told them was inappropriate. I'm sure Vance finance is just a thrill-a-minute to work in. A behavioral Cold War with each member watching his/her words and actions while monitoring their peers, and esprit d'corps about as sterile as my neutered dog... but at least sexual harassment/assault is solved. It's insulting because we understand from hours of mindless PME that a good leader projects only positive support of orders passed down from his/her leadership, whether they believe it or not. I don't envy your situation in that: 1: You're buying, and that these methods of attacking this issue are spot-on. 2: You're not buying, but you're trying to lead us to buy when even YOU don't believe the bullshit. Either way, we can see right through it will not pony up to that bar. You come to a non-retributional, anonymous forum and try to convince us that WE'RE the ones who are abnormal for recognizing the futility? In reality, it is leadership focused on this, not us. We're just calling bullshit. Good luck with retention.

There's actually some precedence with the current CSAF. Back when he was in charge of USAFE, he dropped in and met with the CGOs in my sq, kicking out anyone who wasn't. It was a good discussion with all topics addressed from flying hours, to AADs/PME, to promotions...etc. He gave us all the answers we wanted to hear from our leadership (pretty much everything that would bring a tear to every BODN members eyes). Howver the caveat: "I hear ya, and if I were king for a day it would be so... but alas, there's only so much a 3-star can do despite being a MAJCOM/CC." We all left the meeting satisified (sts), and hopeful about this guy making it to place where he could make the difference. Cautiously optimistic that he makes good with some of his words to us that day...

True. TPS is a great accomplishment. However, it's not really the same thing as being a part of Ops. He's one of those tapped to rise to the top. Hell, even the fast burners I've seen have at least done touch-and-goes in ops between blue-chip assignments. Why disregard the findings of the board? Why even have a board? Are their findings only valid if he agrees with it? Maybe he decided his TPS background trumped all the experience of the board members', and heads HAD to roll... All moot now, I guess

Wow... anyone notice said AMC/CC didn't hold a true "Ops" assignment until 19 years into his career? I do, however, see a lot of seat time correcting OPRs and grooming programs. Mark of a "true Air Force leader" http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/Biographies/Display/tabid/225/Article/106641/general-raymond-e-johns-jr.aspx

I assume on AFSAS only...