busdriver

My point was that non-members can't really internalize (sp?)why we do what we do with a smile. Recognition is supposed to be the culmination of a year of hell (basically). In this case, it's a step in the right direction. If you look back at the POWs from Vietnam, the grads all credit their freshman year with how they managed. Every elite group in the military has a selection process that is nothing short of brutal, the SEALs have BUD/S, special forces have SFOQT, not to mention RANGER qual, INDOC, Recon Selection, etc. Nobody questions the difficult nature of these courses, but ultimately they are all hard for the same reason; so those that make it through have no doubt about what they are made of.

trying to explain recognition to non-grads is akin to explaining why we serve to non-military members. I'll say that it is not just a couple days of PT/hazing.

Don't discount the 60, while I'll admit most of the time our mission is sitting alert, when a mission does come down it's pretty damn cool.

We didn't include the beers (AOR and all) but upped the Ambien to two, don't know exactly how long I lasted, things got a bit silly tho.

I could give you a list as long as my arm of good places to eat in town. Truth be told, there are very few restaurants in Albuquerque that I don't like. There are a boatload of bars, my personal favorite is Kelly's, they have a list of 20 or so in house micro brews that are great.

Ok, after looking through my 3-3, I've been only slightly humbled, "roll" apparently doesn't exist, in it's place should be "go" that being said, push still means shush according to my pubs..................Like I said, it's different depending on the airframe. All in all, I still dont' see that it matters one damn bit though, you might as well speak fraggle, as long as your wingman knows what you're saying.

Hydro, I don't feel like looking up regs but I can say with 100% accuracy that the only two terms used at Moody are push and roll. The fisrt being what Hoser called "switch" and the second what he called "go." I remember this being an issue during UPT as well, we had a prior WSO in my class who wanted to use the terminology she was used to versus what was being taught. I won't argue that we should all just agree on something to make life easier on the youngins, but in the end it doesn't really matter, given that it's all jibber jaber between you and two anyways.

Teaching a student to deal with the so called "voice activated co-pilot" isn't so bad. Dealing with shitty co-pilots is really more an aircraft commander thing. Going through an undergrad CRM environment, new pilots should have to deal with a good co, with zero ambition. So you tell him to do X, he'll do exactly that and no more. So the student doesn't have to do everything themselves, but they have to be constantly aware of their co's progress on their assigned task.

With the BUFF switching to more stand off munitions, what's the point?

That go/push/switch/roll crap is community specific. In the 60 world, Push means no acknowledgement, no check in; Roll means acknowledge and check in. We don't have the other one.

the 130 squadron at Moody has a ton of co's that don't really fly at all, while many guard/reserve bases have almost no co-pilots. Seems like a good idea to me. In the 60 world we've got a similar rent-a-co setup where we'll send co-pilots up to Alaska to fly with the guard there (albeit only a month at a time).

I guess the JOG is a bit small of a scale for some of you flying "low level?" I don't really see much of a difference between a TPC and a sectional, if your brain is used to reading 1:500, whether you're using a TPC or a Sectional shouldn't really matter. To delve into that what I would do if I ruled the world area, why not produce sectionals for our overseas areas, with modern technology, it wouldn't be hard to keep them updated.

who the hell actually uses TPC's? We should just dump the damn things and use sectionals.

CRO go through the same school house that PJs do, training beyond that is unit specific. And in my experience, you're wrong in that CROs do everything PJs do. They do end up being the guy in charge on the ground vs. actually sticking people, but they're just as qualified as the PJs. my order would be CRO CCT/STO COMBAT WX/COMBAT COMM (tied) MX whatever my first choices are all tip of the spear types, then you get into MX, which is probably the most leadership intensive careerfield out there. [ 02. February 2006, 19:41: Message edited by: busdriver ]

It's another H-19

predator, and then I have no idea

getting close, think smaller

nope

and both apache pictures are of the rear cockpit

"Flying Through Midnight" by John T Halliday LtCol (ret) USAF, about his time as a FAC in Laos in a C-123.

Here's one: The ground has a Pk of 1.0

60's at Moody here. Deployments tend to be pretty short and predictable.