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Let me also say, I think Harris is lousy and I would never vote for her. This is truly the most difficult vote I've ever participated in... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Reading comprehension guys. It's important. I cited you because you wouldn't put up with the ridiculously poor and bogus arguments Trump makes. Not because you defended him ever. It was a hypothetical, fake scenario. Agree to disagree. Opinion warning and it probably is controversial in an environment where everyone seems to think this admin is infallible: Pence strikes me as incredibly self-righteous. I don't understand Christians that hate on LGBTQ, or aren't compassionate towards people that suffer oppression at the hands of others. Christ never "hated" on anyone for being different or even doing stuff he said they shouldn't (except the money changers in the temple), but evangelicals can be some pretty hateful people "in the name of Christ" at times. Don't get it. Not trying to convince anyone or change their minds. The above was my opinion only, and what better place to share it than the internet... I'd love for people to change their minds or even just be open to it, but I'm a realist... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I listened to about 30 minutes before falling asleep (it was riveting...) and they both suck. Joe wasn’t incredibly articulate, but I didn’t think it was from being lost or confused. I’m no Dr though. It seemed like frustration. Trump would get eaten alive on this forum as he makes all sorts of outrageous, unproven claims without citing jack all... Guardian and Lord Ratner would be constantly saying “disingenuous!” or “straw man” to him because that’s what he does... No needle movement whatsoever. Two politicians (as much as Trump claims he’s not, it took him about 4 years to turn into what he rails against) doing what they do. Claiming what they are going to do, or what they have done. For whoever said vote for VP, that’s a clear cut choice, I wholeheartedly disagree. Pence seems like a hollow shell of a man. No character, and for someone as religious as he claims to be, I see it as a problem to just sit there, quiet, while one of the most seemingly immoral men we’ve ever had as sitting POTUS does what he does and says what he says. Both VPs are horrendous as well. Maybe I’ll give Kanye the nod...[emoji23] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

One of THE only things I like about Trump is the fact that he calls out European countries in their weakness, and other countries doing crappy things. I wish he were more "presidential" about it, but it's a good thing, long overdue. Outside of that, he's an absolute disaster. Not trying to convince you, not asking you to convince me. For the record, I hold Biden barely, barely above Trump. I've been staring at my ballot for almost a week. Not voting Trump for sure, but I can't quite make myself vote for Biden either... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ok, typos from time to time are totally understandable on these dumb phones with autocorrect, but your grammar is consistently off just enough to be a troll or a bot. I speak 4 languages fluently. You have enough mistakes made by non-native speakers that it's questionable. Maybe you grew up in a non-english speaking house, if so, that's cool. I got no problem with it, just saying, you sound shady... Who's our smart people with sniffing these trolls out? He literally only posts propaganda. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Dude, Flea, KA, Guardian and many others have about a thousand times more credibility than you. Maybe you're legit, my apologies if you are, but you scream "troll" from the rooftop... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Don't have tons of time, but your idea of a personal attack is seemingly very broad... I say they're old because I know they're already retired. I'm almost there, but they went years ago, so at least older than me, and I'm older than a lot. I stand by my statement. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

"how much fake they are". Seriously, I hope that was a typo, or you're going to have trouble with your GRU supervisor. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

When I said do better, I was referring to a perceived tendency of yours to infer things from what people say, not just me. Then you proceed to “educate” people on what you erroneously attributed to them. What questions am I not answering? When I make a point to highlight yet again that I am not advocating for universal healthcare, and I also agreed with a lot of your points on why it wouldn’t work in our country, there is no longer really any valid questions coming from you that merit an answer. I don’t care what countries are socialist and what aren’t. Had nothing to do with the point I made. Go back and reread what I said (that’s also part of the “do better”. Read the words people say, not what you want it to say so you can then “educate” them again) because it’s pretty clear what I was saying. So, once again, my bad if I’ve skipped any questions. Hit me again, Ike, and this time put some stank on it. I’ll answer your questions. I brought those countries up because they have literally been mentioned in here a few times the last few days as examples of countries that do have systems closer to socialist programs with higher taxes and universal healthcare. The people living in said countries seem to be pretty dang happy with it, so I asked why there was a need to constantly belittle what is clearly working for, and making those people happy. It doesn’t mean that’s what I think we should be doing here. Let me make it painfully clear one more time: my bottom line is that our current system sucks. We can do better. I encourage the discussion in here because there are smart people on this subject that have brought up smart points. There’s a couple of old cranks in here that just refuse change because that’s in their nature. I’m not engaging with those people. I’m engaging with the people that bring something to the table even if we’re “just tilting at windmills...” Who knows, maybe someone in this forum will one day be instrumental in the future policy making of this awesome country. This “tilting” might just make a difference. I know I’ve learned from both sides of the conversation. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

The one above, where I said Wow!? I have no clue how that man could possibly be China's richest man. He seems like an absolute tool. I'm a massive Musk fan though. My son shared it with me, am I not aware of some context I should be? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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You seriously can’t see how making the comment you made can come off as superior? Can’t help you then. Those are not socialist countries, but they have socialist tendencies that you guys keep pointing out for goodness sake. Come on man, do better. As I have said many, many, many times, I’m not advocating for universal healthcare. How are you still saying things like, “why wouldn’t you go there if you think it’s better?” Quite honestly, you’re not putting your best foot forward here man. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I don’t understand our need to act so superior to this. I’m not saying you specifically here, but comments like this pop up so much. Clearly, that style government doesn’t work for us, and wouldn’t be well received. I’m on the same page as you for that. My issue with this is, those people living in Germany, Scandinavian countries, etc. are extremely happy. If it works for them, who are we to hate on it. We have problems they don’t, they have problems we don’t. Paying those taxes doesn’t seem to really hurt them a whole bunch, and they seem to have just as many toys as us from expendable income. I just don’t get it. For most of Europe, I’ll grant you 1000% the fact that they are able to save a significant chunk of change on defense because of Uncle Sam... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I get it, you don’t want to subsidize the healthcare of fat people. It pisses me off as well. The military has destroyed my body, back and neck are 10 kinds of jacked, but I take care of myself. I believe a lot more people should and could do a lot of the same thing. I eat right, and I exercise a ton. That takes care of a lot of my issues and keeps my QoL higher than it would be. If I can do that, they can do that... to an extent. Food that is healthy is waaay harder to get for low income families. Not just the prices (healthy food is more expensive than garbage food) are messed up, but there’s the time aspect. People working multiple min wage jobs often times have very little free time, so popping in the microwave dinner is faster than preparing healthy food. That doesn’t excuse a gross neglect of your own health on the part of many fat people. I’m simply making the point that it isn’t as simple as “fat people should all die of diabetes because they’re lazy” which seems like what you’re advocating (heavy on the sarcasm there in case you were unsure). Oh, and guess what, there’s tons of fat people in the military driving up our healthcare costs. Fix that problem for us while you’re on your high horse (again, sarcasm meter should be in the ON position). BL: we can do better, and if fat people get to go along for the ride, so be it... Again, people other than fat people need healthcare. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I’d never heard that before. I really dig that idea! Absolutely true as well. They’ll claim that for coordinating purposes it makes more sense to be together. I’d put money on the fact that they almost never talk to each other anyway... They can never talk to each other virtually! Some things have to be co-located, but I’d bet a lot less than people think. Thanks! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

You’ve explained aspects that are better than other countries. You’ve not provided data that quantifiably demonstrates that our system is the best. In some aspects, you’re absolutely correct, it is the best. But as a whole? How on earth is that not a subjective decision? What have I taken out of context? I am no expert, so I’ll readily concede if that’s the case. What have I made a half-truth? You claim things as irrefutable facts, like saying our nation’s healthcare system is the “best,” but cannot point to any set of data that clearly determines what is the best. When push comes to shove, in drastic measures, wealthy people come to the US to avoid lines. Great for the wealthy... The provided links are anecdotal at best, but they lend credence to the fact that “one man’s trash is another man’s treasure.” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/reverse-medical-tourism-points-up-pluses-and-minuses-of-us-healthcare/ Brief summary: rich people come here because US hospitals recruit them because they pay full price, and wealthy foreigners don’t want to wait in line. Middle-class US citizens go abroad because they can’t afford to pay for procedures here. That doesn’t sound like “best.” https://www.numbeo.com/health-care/rankings_by_country.jsp We’re the bottom of the barrel of “good” healthcare systems. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbeo) You continue to make the point that if someone doesn’t agree with you, they’re wrong, and you’re “facts” are the only valid ones. You immediately dismiss almost everything when it doesn’t line up with your line of thinking. I know for a fact, I don’t have all the answers, and healthcare isn’t my strong suit. Some of your stuff doesn’t require you to be an expert to recognize that it is right along party lines. I’m all for individuals paying for their own healthcare, not having “wealth” taken from one to pay for another’s mistakes. I simply argue that, as has been pointed out on here by people smarter than me, there are ways to make the system cheaper and more accessible for those who aren’t as fortunate as I am. I don’t want to pay for their crap, but I do agree they shouldn’t have to go into massive debt to pay for it themselves. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

100% beneficial discussion! Fixing this garbage would go a long way in making healthcare affordable, good and accessible. While I’m no expert in healthcare, I’m sure there are tons of things like this that would help fix our problems. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Nothing I’ve said is a personal attack. I might be a little salty in my response, but I have not attacked anyone. I’ve attacked opinions because you keep saying you provide facts, but you’re simply providing opinions disguised as facts. There is a healthy compromise in here somewhere. I don’t believe your “good, cheap and accessible” theory applies here. If we made more accessible while keeping the job of medical provider attractive there is no reason you cannot have all three. You have yet to prove that you cannot. Also, you have yet to answer the “why is America’s healthcare system the best in the world” question. What qualifies that statement? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I’ll say it one more time. I’m not advocating for universal healthcare... What I am saying is that what we have right now is far from the best in the world. It is far from beneficial to most, let alone all people. We need to discuss the ways to make it accessible to everyone. Simply opening the market 100% (I see the attraction here for sure) isn’t going to fix it. People keep saying it is, but how? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Once again, you’re missing the point, but it’s clear you’re unwilling to see anything other than your own side, so I’ll just stop... How on earth do you not see the similarities? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

You're ignoring the point. Car insurance is mandatory, and you can face repercussions/fines/penalties for not having it. Just because it doesn't come out of your paycheck upon receipt, doesn't change the law. Is that somehow unconstitutional? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That's quite a stretch to say I'm looking for universal healthcare based off me saying it should be accessible. Nott looking for free, but we shouldn't be bankrupting anyone because they got cancer. Why is that so ridiculous a request? I also said I don't have the answer. But certain people are unwilling to start the conversation because you can't get passed, "no, it's expensive". I've always told my guys, tell your boss "yes, but" and I've always told my bosses "yes, but". That should be the starting point. "No!" seems to be the only starting point some of you are willing to consider... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Your response above does not answer the question. At all. Also, your comments about the Good, Accessible, and Cheap isn’t a catch-all. Also, there’s a chasm between accessible and not accessible and cheap and expensive. Why is affordable so offensive to you? You are in a job where we have to stay healthy, yet there’s tons of fatties in the military. Every excuse you can think of exists. I happen to agree with you that people should do a much better job of taking care of themselves, but I don’t think they should be financially ruined if they didn’t. Please, tell me why my question about it being unattainable isn’t good. This is more of “Guardian deciding what is legit and what isn’t” that I mentioned earlier. Somehow you think you’re the only one making valid statements/questions. I think you’re taking a wildly slippery slope here talking about forcing you to pay for other people’s healthcare. I’m going to take a page out of your book and simply say, “your point isn’t good, you’re using half truths in a non logical way and it hurts your point.” Why? Because I said so. That’s apparently all the validation you need, so I’m going to do the same. You’re right, it’s not in the constitution, but our founders certainly believed in the pursuit of happiness as it was in the Declaration of Independence. “Unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.” Kind of a big deal, give it a read. There’s a good catch all that should allow our government to do better to find a way to take care of our people. That’s all most of us are getting after in here, not advocating for a specific way to do it, but we maintain that the richest country in the world ought to be able to do a better job at taking care of its people than we do. Stop blaming it on unhealthy fatties as well! There’s hundreds of thousands in this country that lost the lottery, and just have crappy health. No amount of eating right or exercise will change their health issues. Shouldn’t we help them without bankrupting them? I totally recognize my arguments are not infallible, but man, you gotta stop acting as if yours are... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Thanks for posting this. I’ll try to give it a watch this afternoon. Hey Guardian, this is an example of moving things forward, not just saying, “you’re wrong and your argument is stupid” because you somehow think you’re right. You’re one of the main guys I was referring to who thinks his poop doesn’t stink. You, I guess, have a copyright on being correct... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I’m curious as to what qualifies the US healthcare system as the best in the world. Is it the fact that the best possible care that exists happens to be in the US? What good does something that is unattainable to a slew of Americans do? It might as well not exist to them. Should getting decent healthcare really be something that drives people into the red? Why? Don’t we have a duty to our fellow man to help them out? The system in place now, doesn’t work for a lot of people. Without insurance and pretty solid job security I’d be in major debt through zero fault of my own. Health issues are someone else’s problem until you or someone close to you is fighting them... This one is more philosophical than an actual question: So, happiness is a right, but being healthy to enjoy it isn’t? I’m just curious. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk