FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[shweaty]

Sorry Cornholio but I can't resist.

"Thats as good as money, sir. Those are I.O.U.s. Go ahead and add it up, every cents accounted for. Look, see this? Thats a car. 275 thou. Might wanna hang onto that one."

We need something to laugh about

Edited May 18, 2014 by shweaty

[Dreamkiller43]

So is anyone else dealing with a pcs and a pending vsp app right now? Just curious what everyone else's functional is telling them.

'05 11M

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[Cornholio5]

So is anyone else dealing with a pcs and a pending vsp app right now? Just curious what everyone else's functional is telling them.

'05 11M

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Dreamkiller, I am in the same boat-2005 11M. I selected that "I have a retirement/separation application in the system" on my ADP since if I am denied VSP, I will attempt the PC route. I asked my functional if I can extend so I can try all separation opportunities and he told me to coordinate with my CC. When I approached my CC, he said that there is no operational need to extend me. I also put in the comments section that I have VSP in now and intend to do the PC route, but I am not sure how much AFPC looks at the comments, or the ADP, anyway. I am attempting to avoid PCS at all costs because I was hired into a reserve gig that is close to where I am stationed now. Keeping my fingers crossed. Should have just applied for PC to begin with...

Also, my functional, who I used to fly with and trust, told me that even they are being kept in the dark as far as VSP status goes. We will see...

Edited May 19, 2014 by Cornholio5

[17D_guy]

...When I approached my CC, he said that there is no operational need to extend me....

Wasn't aware that was the only requirement for a CC allowing you to extend.

[Dreamkiller43]

Dreamkiller, I am in the same boat-2005 11M. I selected that "I have a retirement/separation application in the system" on my ADP since if I am denied VSP, I will attempt the PC route. I asked my functional if I can extend so I can try all separation opportunities and he told me to coordinate with my CC. When I approached my CC, he said that there is no operational need to extend me. I also put in the comments section that I have VSP in now and intend to do the PC route, but I am not sure how much AFPC looks at the comments, or the ADP, anyway. I am attempting to avoid PCS at all costs because I was hired into a full-time reserve gig. Keeping my fingers crossed. Should have just applied for PC to begin with...

That's interesting. I'm dealing with the exact opposite. My cc agrees with me that I should be extended since I could be better utilized if I remain in place instead of moving twice in a matter of a few months. Unfortunately, the functional doesn't see it that way and says I should move anyway and to "not worry about it because it is on the Air Force's dime anyways."

Mover's come on the 26th, and if I don't get approval for an extension by this Thursday, then I'll be making a call to the ig since they aren't following the vsp psdm guidance for people in our situation.

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[32off]

Is anybody else an '03 11M still waiting on vsp results? Heck, is anyone a 03 11M who was approved vsp or PC for that matter? Ground control to Major Tom? Tell me there is an 03 11M with some good news.

[ThreeHoler]

Dreamkiller, I am in the same boat-2005 11M. I selected that "I have a retirement/separation application in the system" on my ADP since if I am denied VSP, I will attempt the PC route. I asked my functional if I can extend so I can try all separation opportunities and he told me to coordinate with my CC. When I approached my CC, he said that there is no operational need to extend me. I also put in the comments section that I have VSP in now and intend to do the PC route, but I am not sure how much AFPC looks at the comments, or the ADP, anyway. I am attempting to avoid PCS at all costs because I was hired into a reserve gig that is close to where I am stationed now. Keeping my fingers crossed. Should have just applied for PC to begin with...

Also, my functional, who I used to fly with and trust, told me that even they are being kept in the dark as far as VSP status goes. We will see...

Supposedly a guy at my base put in for VSP, was denied and PCS'd, and the PC'd on arrival at his new duty station. PCS'd back to the Reserve squadron at my base.

Not verified but good source.

[32off]

3holer, that is a true story. Fantastic job afpc!

[FUSEPLUG]

So, tomorrow is the big day. Is anyone else as psyched as I am?

[Checks]

I thought Thurs, 22 May was the big day? I mean did you seriously think AFPC was going to be "earlier" on a broken promise fake deadline.

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[MooseAg03]

I thought 11/12 May was the big day? No wait, 7 March was the big day, or 16 May was the big day.

I'm still waiting on my RIF pre-selection brief that was due to be sent to me on 14 May.

Maybe Ops should start working TOTs this way. "You'll get your weapons effects whenever I damn well please!"

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[Mish_Hacker]

I'm actually leaning more towards June 1st. Multiply 1.25 times the cumulative years in service, subtract DEROS, divide by the greatest ADSC, add to the deployment return date (but only if it is the third Saturday after a full moon--otherwise, ineligible), and finally multiply this by the number of FY14 deadlines met by AFPC. Add this equation to June 1, and I get June 1.

Actually, conditioning has just taught me that the only thing I know to be true is that NOTHING will happen when AFPC says it will.

[tunes]

So, tomorrow is the big day. Is anyone else as psyched as I am?

based on last weeks shenanigans..i'm hoping by thursday....i give tomorrow 2% chance....but i'd love to know tomorrow...i'm getting close to bumping into my terminal......has anyone else been told they cant sell back leave if approved vsp?

[Fozzy Bear]

Isn't vMPF still down tomorrow?

Fwiw, when I was denied, I got an email. I then verified by logging on to vmpf. AFPC told a buddy that his cc would tell him first.

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[Six]

This forum has been the best. It is definitely the best source of actual information out there for us to satiate our addiction to community suffering brought on by AFPC.

That being said, if all we are doing is checking the forum a hundred times a day hoping that something good will happen, or that somebody who "isn't as busy as we are" is going to do something about it, then we are missing out on a tremendous opportunity to actually bring about some change. Or at least some awareness. I hope most of us are constantly chirping in our chains of command's ears about the unsatisfactory answers coming out of AFPC, and the general lack of accountability.

I don't mean we should be whining, but we ought to be the "assertive followers" the AF wants us to be and to be continually informing our leadership that the system is failing us. If every single one of us were to do even small things, as a community, it may have some results. Even something as simple as taking personal ORM points for each sortie for "VSP uncertainty" may eventually raise some greater amount of awareness, (not to mention, be a good way to highlight how stupid the ORM program is...what a CYA joke the AF has turned that into).

This debacle is embarrassing. I've given the renters in my other property every single deadline AFPC has given me for whether or not I'll be renewing their lease, or moving back in myself. And every time I have to tell them a new deadline I am embarrassed on the AF's behalf. How is it possible that we can brag about putting "bombs on target, on time," when we can't meet a ridiculously simple deadline that WE GIVE OURSELVES.

Even though I was leaving, I was at least planning on talking the AF up as a good career choice to young men and women, but I find it pretty hard to defend right now. This has basically become a game of whack bat. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IjTuypwXFOg

[Dubs]

but i'd love to know tomorrow...i'm getting close to bumping into my terminal.....

So this is the realization that I woke up to today:

If I was approved for VSP during either of AFPC's first two deadlines (you know, that whole monthly batch lie) and had I not been tasked with a deployment in the mean time due to not knowing the fate of my application, my terminal leave would have started today. :(

[Cornholio5]

This forum has been the best. It is definitely the best source of actual information out there for us to satiate our addiction to community suffering brought on by AFPC.

Great first post and welcome Six! I keep telling everyone in my chain about how this and John Q. Public's blog have been the best sources of information in this debacle. It really pisses me off when leadership says they are "rusty" at force management issues. Aren't we supposed to be a service where we are supposed to fight or drop bombs anywhere in the world with a moments notice? How in the f**ck can force management be more complicated than that?

Being able to serve and fly airplanes in the AF has been a lifelong dream, but like you, I just don't know anymore if this is a lifestyle or career choice I would recommend to others. Serving my country has been an honor, but seeing how inefficiently run and disorganized the service is run and "managed" makes me wonder what would happen if a civilian corporation was run this way. Yes, many will argue that we have a different mission as a security force, but I argue that the overall structure between us and our civilian counterparts should be the same. The layers of bureaucratic queep are unbelievable and are slowly killing our service like a cancer.

Anyway, to make this post somewhat productive rather than a bitchy rant, have any '05ers heard ANYTHING yet? I heard a rumor that most would be approved, but take that with a grain of salt. Most of us are approaching a PCS and/or promotion board (until they delay it another year) and we would like to know our fate.

Edited May 19, 2014 by Cornholio5

[32off]

Highly doubtful we will hear anything today.

[FLY6584]

Already wrote my congressman. If you haven't, you should too.

I will be doing the same. It's actually a lot easier than you think to write your congressman. I hope more of us do the same. Maybe if enough Congressman making congressional inquiries to the Pentagon about this buffonery someone will be held accountable.

[Cornholio5]

Few good illustrations courtesy of John Q. Public:

[sky_king]

I'm sure AFPC will be playing hopscotch and double dutch outside their building today instead of fixing this. After all, it's going to be in the mid to high 70's all morning. I'd hate to miss this opportunity.

[32off]

Fly6584, fantastic job. Thanks for writing your congressman. Let us know if you hear anything. I heard afpc is having sapr down WEEK.

[WannaPC]

I heard afpc is having sapr down WEEK.

While I hope you're joking, I would 100% believe you without hesitation...

[Six]

Fly6584, fantastic job. Thanks for writing your congressman. Let us know if you hear anything. I heard afpc is having sapr down WEEK.

It's good to hear that so many people are actually doing what they can, however little that may be. Let's hope our efforts are worth more than a poke in the eye.

Let's be fair, SAPR week is not really the whole week. It starts Wednesday, Wingman day on Thursday, AETC down day on Friday, Holiday on Monday. See, they'll be getting stuff done...

[chizz]

Why are we left with only one option in this entire debacle? All anyone is really empowered with is sitting idly by while ourselves or our brothers in arms are being treated like their futures do not matter to the people who are charged with the serious task of looking out for them. Seriously, if someone actually cared more would be done. The VA scandal is the most recent issue in the DoD that prompted an IG team start looking into the issue. Where is that line concerning this issue? Why are there no repercussions for any of AFPC's actions yet? Maybe there are and we just aren't privy to them (I'm all about reprimand in private) but I feel this latest push of adjudication further to the right is the straw that is going to break the camel's back. Stop giving individuals pending assignments with a separation allocation in the system. All you are doing is wasting everyone's time. If it's approved you have to find someone else for that slot. If you are trying to force their hand into 7 day opting you are creating even more paperwork for yourself. AFPC needs to sit down with whatever other agencies are involved and make a decision once and for all on all the pending applications. Stop allowing people to apply right now and just make a decision.

Let's give them a week and then move on to more drastic measures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit-in