FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[Jaded]

Tunes, I'd take that bet. After all, we all wrote RRFs the last time this happened.

[HoHum]

Another one bites the dust.

Officer RIF matrices posted this week

The LAF and health professions reduction in force matrices will be posted to myPers this week. These matrices will give Airmen a better understanding of who will be eligible for the October board and their individual vulnerability by Air Force specialty codes and year group. These matrices can also be accessed through the force management graphic on the Air Force Portal and on the AF.mil site

[pawnman]

Tunes, I'd take that bet. After all, we all wrote RRFs the last time this happened.

I already have had to write one just based on when the squadron's change-of-command falls. Our current SQ/CC wanted a chance to review them before he left.

[Mish_Hacker]

I already have had to write one just based on when the squadron's change-of-command falls. Our current SQ/CC wanted a chance to review them before he left.

Yeah mine was written in February. I wonder what it says...

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[Tonka]

Might get another chance next year, the panel agreed to next years' reduction (which charlie17chick reported they were seeking)

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/04/30/panel-approves-troop-reductions-not-benefit-cuts.html?comp=700001075741&rank=7

The subcommittee's budget reflects the numbers requested by the service branches for 2015, including 490,000 soldiers, a reduction of 30,000, 184,100 Marines, making the Corps smaller by 6,100 leathernecks, and 310,900 airmen, which would be 16,700 fewer than in the active force now.

[MooseAg03]

These numbers include the cuts currently underway. FY14 end strength requested was 327,600. They said during the strategic pause that the previous cut of 25k would be more like 15k due to budget changes. 327,600-16,700 = 310,900 for next year.

I'm not sure with PC apps, TERA, and VSP but there may not be many left to separate under another round of force shaping, but who knows.

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[WannaPC]

I never had faith in the VSP. It's a lottery that nobody knows the rules to. Would it be nice to take the VSP money and go to my guard job? Yah sure. However if you apply logic (very dangerous to do) to AFPCs mentality, it would seem that transferring someone to the Guard would be a better business decision than paying them and losing 100% of the investment.

I do think the big cuts will be through VSP and they will fine tune the numbers with Palace Chase (as it goes out to 1 July I think). I do worry for the guys who think PC will be available to them after VSP though as the matrix will probably turn red very fast.

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This was my logic also. Would I like the PURE freedom to get out and get money in addition? Absolutely. But this SEEMS to be a business decision by the AF and despite being a military, decisions will be made from a business standpoint (IMO). To me the VSP is a gamble, none of us know how they will truly figure this out. PC on the other hand is an easier decision because they aren't completely losing you. Of course I could be way off, but I just got approved in less than 2 days after submitting my PC app with a position number. If some of you are on the fence and have a position number, just think about it because a lot of people are quickly getting approved right now. Good luck everyone.

2007 11M, 4 years 3 months of ADSC remaining

[tunes]

This was my logic also. Would I like the PURE freedom to get out and get money in addition? Absolutely. But this SEEMS to be a business decision by the AF and despite being a military, decisions will be made from a business standpoint (IMO). To me the VSP is a gamble, none of us know how they will truly figure this out. PC on the other hand is an easier decision because they aren't completely losing you. Of course I could be way off, but I just got approved in less than 2 days after submitting my PC app with a position number. If some of you are on the fence and have a position number, just think about it because a lot of people are quickly getting approved right now. Good luck everyone.

2007 11M, 4 years 3 months of ADSC remaining

The problem is at least at my base it takes about a month from when you start the PC app to when it's submitted to afpc. Most of us went with vsp because of the whole they said monthly batches.... And you are attempting to apply logic... Something big blue is unfamiliar with.

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[WannaPC]

The problem is at least at my base it takes about a month from when you start the PC app to when it's submitted to afpc. Most of us went with vsp because of the whole they said monthly batches.... And you are attempting to apply logic... Something big blue is unfamiliar with.

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Completely valid, as logic is something that must be applied with caution, if at all in this case. It took me over a month because of a bad recruiter who didn't tell me he was headed to SNCOA and then PCSing while I was on leave. Awesome. His boss took over (once I was actually able to track someone down who was in their office) and I was able to submit everything in probably 6 weeks total. I totally get where you're coming from, it's frustrating no matter how you go about this. Just passing my experience along.

[pawnman]

Yeah mine was written in February. I wonder what it says...

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I still haven't seen the push line, but I've already sank a good 20 hours into re-writing that thing to match the OG's ban on abbreviations.

[Skitzo]

I still haven't seen the push line, but I've already sank a good 20 hours into re-writing that thing to match the OG's ban on abbreviations.

That is funny. AFSOC loves abbreviations.

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[Dupe]

I still haven't seen the push line, but I've already sank a good 20 hours into re-writing that thing to match the OG's ban on abbreviations.

Which is a somewhat silly ban because RRFs are an AFSC-specifc board vice a promotion board (inclusive of all AFSCs). Sucks you had to do that... senior B-52/B-2 dudes probably can speak Bone (STS).

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[Skitzo]

Which is a somewhat silly ban because RRFs are an AFSC-specifc board vice a promotion board (inclusive of all AFSCs). Sucks you had to do that... senior B-52/B-2 dudes probably can speak Bone (STS).

Is this how this years RIF PSDM was written?

The last time we did this it was a LAF retention board comprised of board members like a promo board.

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[Dupe]

Is this how this years RIF PSDM was written?

The last time we did this it was a LAF retention board comprised of board members like a promo board.

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My understanding is that this is the central idea and the key learning point from a few years ago: only a career-specific board could make career-specific cuts intelligently. Why bother laying out a matrix by year group and AFSC if we're then going to hack with an axe? Of course, this is applying logic to an AFPC process....

...I'll dig

Edited May 5, 2014 by Dupe

[Skitzo]

My understand was that this is the central idea and the key learning point from a few years ago: only a career-specific board could make career-specific cuts intelligently. Why bother laying out a matrix by year group and AFSC if we're then going to hack with an axe? Of course, this is applying logic to an AFPC process....

...I'll dig

So if only makes sense to cut via AFSC then it stands to reason that it makes sense to promote that way. But then again.... Reference your previous about logic and afpc.

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[Altus Barbarosa]

I'm retired via TERA as of 1 May and on terminal now. Good luck dudes.

Mr. Barbarosa

[Dubs]

Here's hoping there's some actual movement with VSP approvals/disapprovals today...

[pawnman]

Which is a somewhat silly ban because RRFs are an AFSC-specifc board vice a promotion board (inclusive of all AFSCs). Sucks you had to do that... senior B-52/B-2 dudes probably can speak Bone (STS).

You're telling me. It's just on abbreviations...acronyms are still allowed. So I can write JDAM but I can't turn "target" into "tgt".

[MooseAg03]

Question for the recent successful Palace Chasers, did your squadron and wing CCs recommend approval or disapproval?

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[tunes]

Question for the recent successful Palace Chasers, did your squadron and wing CCs recommend approval or disapproval?

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I've seen both with a pretty constant functional recommend disapproval but an overall approval.

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[Mish_Hacker]

Anybody had any luck with MyPers and the new matrices that were supposed to be published last week?

[treetop07]

Question for the recent successful Palace Chasers, did your squadron and wing CCs recommend approval or disapproval?

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Mine was all approval.

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[BamaC-21]

I've seen both with a pretty constant functional recommend disapproval but an overall approval.

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I'm not 100% sure mine even went to the functional. If it did, it was routed internally. Cms only showed my app going to the PC office one time and it was approved.

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[WannaPC]

Question for the recent successful Palace Chasers, did your squadron and wing CCs recommend approval or disapproval?

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SQ/CC and WG/CC both approved. Like Bama, not sure if it went to the functional because it sat at the PC office (from what I could read) on CMS for only a day and the next thing I knew the AFPC lady was emailing me to correct a few things. Later that day I got the approval. I'm an 11M in RPAs, going to an RPA unit, which is why I think both commands approved. But, as I'm told, it's ultimately an AFPC call to let you go no matter what unit you want to go for. Total toss up.

Edited May 5, 2014 by WannaPC

[HoHum]

Anybody had any luck with MyPers and the new matrices that were supposed to be published last week?

Nope.

What in the name of God's green earth are they doing at AFPC....Oh wait. I know. They're all in the PC office doing as many two-day turnarounds as they can.