FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[TrunkMonkey]

"This is a non-idea from non-thinking, non-operator glass-lickers at A1."

I prefer ... "mouth-breathing, window lickers" ... just sayin'

[LookieRookie]

Rumor from today is that the MC-12 guys were given 1 week to turn in an ADP because they're all going somewhere that isn't with the jets to AFSOC...

Can anyone validate that?

There's a hell of a lot of Lt's to do something with.

[MooseAg03]

There's a hell of a lot of Lt's to do something with.

There's our next group of RPA pilots.

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[Mish_Hacker]

Nothing in 14-08 specifies Apps with ADSCs will be "adjudicated" after 1 May. It says all remaining. However, we are seeing apps still being processed. So who's to say they are in fact waiting on 11X apps other than the fact that we haven't seen a lot of applications results lately on here?

It seems that their intent is to process applications with ADSC after May 1. It also seems that no one at AFPC reads the PSDMs that they release and that the people tasked to draft (and approve) them apparently don't go to any of the meetings...

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[chim richalds]

I love how they act like RPA training is some asset that takes a long/strenuous journey to obtain. Any pilot who wants a pension should have to do a tour here, boom, manning solved and you all can experience the pleasure of this community.

[nunya]

Officially denied VSP today. I thought I'd have to wait until 1 May to get the inevitable email.

2003 11M with ADSC left

[spaw2001]

Has everyone seen the webinar slides posted on myPers dated 8 Apr? Slide 6 is particularly interesting. Says "airmen receive 120 days from notification to separation" as a change. So they're going to change all the approvals to a September separation or they're just bad at math?

This other nugget in particular worries me as an RPA guy. "Adjudicating rated applications by RDTM AND PAS. Need to ensure retention of Airmen with specialized training for critical missions." Sooooo.... Our current assigned unit is now a consideration? Fantastic. 11M with an 18S AFSC should be a red flag then. Just get on with it already.

I sit on the staff perch. My leadership has kept pretty close comms with AFPC sep. Surprised others are in the wilderness.

The VSP apps being adjudicated pre May 1 are ones not requiring adsc waivers. The guy recently denied '03 11M was denied because his year group closed out on the matrix (probably because people they approved had no adsc or adsc closing out imminently).

After May 1, sep branch plans to adjudicate applications using RDTM, yr group matrix, and ADSC from least to most. So, if you are an '05 11M with 4 yrs, a Gi bill, and TA that is going to look less favorable than say a clean kill 2 yrs ADSC left.

While it will not be a primary consideration, due to some pushback, there will be some weighted consideratiom given to where someone is stationed (i.e 11M RPA dude). After all, a particular weapons systems cannot go from mission capable to non mission capable virtually overnight. Overall, however, afpc plans to primarily use the assignment system to redistribute mission requirements, so leadership is expecting approvals even at bases with "mission requirements" just perhaps fewer. I guess we will all see soon...

Edited April 23, 2014 by spaw2001

[bfree]

VSP approved yesterday.

2002

12R

5 months remaining for PCS ADSC

[Pirot]

After May 1, sep branch plans to adjudicate applications using RDTM, yr group matrix, and ADSC from least to most. So, if you are an '05 11M with 4 yrs, a Gi bill, and TA that is going to look less favorable than say a clean kill 2 yrs ADSC left.

Is an ADSC that is going to be recouped from the member like tuition assistance going to be a discriminator? I mean, wouldn't the Air Force want to get rid of the kid who has to pay back a portion of that stupid TUI degree vs. a guy who is free and clear from his AMU degree ADSC? It almost makes more sense to find the guys with ADSCs that have to be paid back and get rid of them first because big blue would have to pay them a few grand less.

[discus]

Rumor from today is that the MC-12 guys were given 1 week to turn in an ADP because they're all going somewhere that isn't with the jets to AFSOC...

Can anyone validate that?

Checks. 300 some odd pilots told to find a new gig. Squadron commanders saying "WTF, I have to approve all these ADPs by WHEN?"

[chizz]

130 squadrons closing are in a similar boat. guys show up 6 weeks out of ftu and already have an RPA gig. went from 20 CPs to 4 in less than 3 months

[tunes]

Checks. 300 some odd pilots told to find a new gig. Squadron commanders saying "WTF, I have to approve all these ADPs by WHEN?"

Winning.

On leave now but I submitted an ADP to my commander in Jan...its still sitting at " waiting CC review"

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[Slander]

Checks. 300 some odd pilots told to find a new gig. Squadron commanders saying "WTF, I have to approve all these ADPs by WHEN?"

Yikes. Good luck to those guys...this might belong in the WTF or What's Wrong with AF thread instead...

[tunes]

Yikes. Good luck to those guys...this might belong in the WTF or What's Wrong with AF thread instead...

If only they let us actually find our own gig.....instead of reclassing us to 11R core id's just a few short months ago...

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[chim richalds]

Something tells me your follow on choices will include creech and cannon.

[goingkinetic]

Pray for Creech.

[Guest ThatGuy]

If only they let us actually find our own gig.....instead of reclassing us to 11R core id's just a few short months ago...

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That was done for a RIF that may or may not take place. Maybe they will switch them back for you guys? Yeah right...

[32off]

Nunya, how much adsc do you have left and when did your application make it to afpc?

[FrankSavage]

https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/484245/april-23-pulse-on-af-force-management.aspx

New "informative" pulse.

[Mish_Hacker]

I sit on the staff perch. My leadership has kept pretty close comms with AFPC sep. Surprised others are in the wilderness.

The VSP apps being adjudicated pre May 1 are ones not requiring adsc waivers. The guy recently denied '03 11M was denied because his year group closed out on the matrix (probably because people they approved had no adsc or adsc closing out imminently).

After May 1, sep branch plans to adjudicate applications using RDTM, yr group matrix, and ADSC from least to most. So, if you are an '05 11M with 4 yrs, a Gi bill, and TA that is going to look less favorable than say a clean kill 2 yrs ADSC left.

While it will not be a primary consideration, due to some pushback, there will be some weighted consideratiom given to where someone is stationed (i.e 11M RPA dude). After all, a particular weapons systems cannot go from mission capable to non mission capable virtually overnight. Overall, however, afpc plans to primarily use the assignment system to redistribute mission requirements, so leadership is expecting approvals even at bases with "mission requirements" just perhaps fewer. I guess we will all see soon...

Do you mean that VSP applications requiring UPT ADSC waivers will be held until after 1 May? Every ADSC requires a waiver through the LADSC waiver program, but there are several people who have now been approved with ADSC for PCS, GI Bill, and others. It seems that if you were good to go on the 13-65 matrix, you are getting approved. If you were waiting on the Expanded Waiver Authority, then you have to wait until after 1 May. It would be nice if AFPC explained this, as their actions do not match the info they release.

It seems some ADSCs are viewed differently than others. I wonder if they will be weighed differently in the approval process as well...

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[Frank Stallone]

VSP Denied

2003 11M

No ADSC

C-130J

'AFPC has already approved max allowed voluntary applications for your AFSC/year group...'

It was at BPO until disapproval email received at 14:57 CDT

[spaw2001]

Do you mean that VSP applications requiring UPT ADSC waivers will be held until after 1 May? Every ADSC requires a waiver through the LADSC waiver program, but there are several people who have now been approved with ADSC for PCS, GI Bill, and others. It seems that if you were good to go on the 13-65 matrix, you are getting approved. If you were waiting on the Expanded Waiver Authority, then you have to wait until after 1 May. It would be nice if AFPC explained this, as their actions do not match the info they release.

It seems some ADSCs are viewed differently than others. I wonder if they will be weighed differently in the approval process as well...

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Yes expanded waiver authority per the adsc matrix on mypers. Wasnt clear about that in previous post.

[Mish_Hacker]

Thanks spaw, I wasn't trying to be snarky about your post; I just wish that AFPC would release clear, non-contradictory information. Some stuff says they are waiting until May 1, others brag about how many they have approved prior to May 1.

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[nunya]

I would have needed 8 months of UPT and 15 months for PCS waived.

Mine didn't reach AFPC until last week, after sitting at the WG/CC for weeks. I knew I was a long shot from the beginning with an overage of only 18 (?).

Nunya, how much adsc do you have left and when did your application make it to afpc?

[stract]

Officer RIF Board

The fiscal 2015 officer reduction in force board is scheduled to convene at the Air Force Personnel Center on Oct. 1. The LAF and health professions RIF matrices are being finalized and are expected to be posted next week

sooo, they're going to finalize RIF matrices next week, before they're done processing VSP and TERA applications? I see learning has NOT occured in the last 4-5 months.