FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[Catbox]

From our MAJCOM A1 this morning:

- 14 "take-back" notifications went out (10 enlisted, 4 officer)

-- CV does not have firm confirmation but does expect AFPC to honor those retirements

If those numbers are true, then every single one of them, and then a few extras posted they had the "take back" email on the AF Retirements facebook page.

[Shaft34]

My understanding was simply that the e-mail originated at Beale, and was therefore tailored to the specific aircraft stationed there.

True story!

[TrunkMonkey]

If those numbers are true, then every single one of them, and then a few extras posted they had the "take back" email on the AF Retirements facebook page.

I think the reality is that the 300 folks who had their orders cancelled (via computer F-up at AFPC) also posted in the take-back email...and in reality, the number should be 314 instead of 14 or 300 because any screwing with someone after they get approval would cause them to be uncertain.

[32off]

Is VSP notification running through 1 May or starting 1 may? I have seen 2 different posts today. Can anyone clarify? Maybe AFPC can process 1 application a week? Do you guys think that is too much work for them?

[StretchJr]

Second-hand info, so take for what it's worth: A medical sq/cc here thought they would have a significant number done on or before May 7th. No idea how she got that date, or if it applies to rated dudes or not... But she definitely said May 7th was some type of VSP suspense for AFPC

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[32off]

Wasn't May the first month that people who were approved for vsp could separate?

[CosmoPilot]

Any idea when the 2nd round of TERA begins?

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Edited April 9, 2014 by CosmoPilot

[C-21.Pilot]

Any idea when the 2nd round of TERA begins?

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[TrunkMonkey]

The second round of TERA applications opens on 15 Apr according to our MAJCOM A1 guys - specifically for those who were ineligible under round 1.

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

According to what AFPC released, 15 Apr-3 May. No word on what the retirement date will be set at. Normally it's supposed to be at least 120 days, hence the previous 1 Apr notification deadline for a 1 Aug retirement date. It's maddening that they've only notified 66 officers out of around 600 eligible and they are opening a new round next week. Still, I think TERA is the best deal in the AF right now.

[shweaty]

Here's my VSP hold up approval theory:

1. TERA glitch and probably more paperwork involved to retire someone than VSP.

2.They were waiting on extended ADSC waivers which they have now received and now they are incorporating it into a revised PDSM. Once that's updated they probably start approving more rated apps. The one lone wolf pilot that was approved was probably done in good faith to show us it will happen.

3. The 1 May deal is when the VSP approval/disapproval flood gates will open and that'll be their focus. They'll probably still do a small amount of approvals until then. However it could happen earlier.

You can now shred this apart.

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Except VSP and TERA are separate offices. Apparently TERA only has like 4 people working there (retirements) and the added workload is hugely delaying regular retirements. TFSC said they are getting almost as many calls from angry normal retirements pulled into the swirling TERA cesspool as TERA hopefuls looking to get released from this prison on planet bullshit.

[chim richalds]

I'm so sick of hearing, "things will happen by this date." What a load of crap, according to the initial release back in Dec, they should have been on batch 3 or 4 by now. God help us if we ever have to fight a capable enemy.

[CosmoPilot]

According to what AFPC released, 15 Apr-3 May. No word on what the retirement date will be set at. Normally it's supposed to be at least 120 days, hence the previous 1 Apr notification deadline for a 1 Aug retirement date. It's maddening that they've only notified 66 officers out of around 600 eligible and they are opening a new round next week. Still, I think TERA is the best deal in the AF right now.

Where is the AFPC release about 15 April found?

I tried to TERA 1 minute after the window opened. Due to my ACP, they said no. I argued via myPERS because the original PSDM wasn't specific and stated any unearned portion of retention bonuses must be recouped. AFPC escalated my case to the GS1000 making the decisions (policy section) and they still said no. The AF was kind enough to update the PSDM a few days later. It's so nice having 18 revisions of the PSDMs during the application window.

Anyways, I'm "now" eligible for round 2 of TERA but myPERS didn't have anything new posted as of 3:30pm EST.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

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Edited April 10, 2014 by CosmoPilot

[MooseDriver1]

Absolutely no chance that I would roll those dice! Training date at the end of the month, so I think this one has been turned down a number of times already... Sorry to the next person down the list, hope they don't have an ADSC that prevents them from declining.

My Sq/CC and another one both called different functionals at AFPC who didn't know whether 3-day opting would cause a member to be VSP ineligible. I wish I could say I was surprised.

So check this out, only way to successfully 3-day is apply for separation and have an approval number and date established when you turn in the denial paperwork. Just so happens that this is the same app in vMPF where you apply for VSP and we've all highlighted that you can only apply for one program at a time. My CC called Chief of Separations Branch today who didn't know the answer and said he would get back to him, which of course he did not.

I know somewhere in this process over the next two days someone at AFPC or in an MPF-type career field will tell me that I have to pull my VSP app to apply for Separation in Lieu of and I will "kindly" tell them how completely unacceptable that is.

[Pirot]

Anyone know the date that PSDM 13-130 was rescinded? I ask because in that original PSDM where it talked about separations whether voluntary or involuntary, it said that the GI Bill transfer ADSC and the education assistance funds ADSC would be considered fullfilled if approved for separation (attachment 1 paragraphs 11 and 12 I think). Now we've got a new ADSC waivers table that is saying that if you haven't fulfilled the GI Bill transfer ADSC, you can't transfer it anymore (Note 3). It also says it'll recoup tuition assistance, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the transfer benefit which could be worth more than the VSP payout. For example if junior goes to school in NYC, the housing alone would get you close to $150K with today's numbers.

[MooseAg03]

Anyone know the date that PSDM 13-130 was rescinded? I ask because in that original PSDM where it talked about separations whether voluntary or involuntary, it said that the GI Bill transfer ADSC and the education assistance funds ADSC would be considered fullfilled if approved for separation (attachment 1 paragraphs 11 and 12 I think). Now we've got a new ADSC waivers table that is saying that if you haven't fulfilled the GI Bill transfer ADSC, you can't transfer it anymore (Note 3). It also says it'll recoup tuition assistance, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the transfer benefit which could be worth more than the VSP payout. For example if junior goes to school in NYC, the housing alone would get you close to $150K with today's numbers.

I would be worried about that too, except for the last sentence on Note 3 "This note does not apply to officers approved for VSP or TERA." That tells me VSP/TERA still keep their benefits. It looks like to me they are referring to the LADSC Waiver program.

I think PSDM 13-130 was rescinded on 14 Feb, because I submitted my VSP app on 13 Feb and was pissed when the rules and timeline changed the next day.

[Sierra Hotel]

ALCON,

Just had a VSP status change to "referred to AFPC off voluntary separation pay"

Anyone know what that means?

2005 11M (Curently T-6 IP)

Both Sq/Wg CC's approved

Edited April 10, 2014 by Sierra Hotel

[MostlyDeployed]

ALCON,

Just had a VSP status change to "referred to AFPC off voluntary separation pay"

Anyone know what that means?

2005 11M (Curently T-6 IP)

Both Sq/Wg CC's approved

Was it BPO before? No idea. Congrats?

Edited April 10, 2014 by MostlyDeployed

[Sierra Hotel]

Yes... I was part of the group that was denied and told to reapply. Since I reapplied, it has been with BPO until 6 to 9 minutes ago when it changed to the current status. It would be nice if they listed the steps somewhere...

[tunes]

Yes... I was part of the group that was denied and told to reapply. Since I reapplied, it has been with BPO until 6 to 9 minutes ago when it changed to the current status. It would be nice if they listed the steps somewhere...

are you looking in CMS or vMPF?

[Sierra Hotel]

are you looking in CMS or vMPF?

CMS (through vMPF)

Edited April 10, 2014 by Sierra Hotel

[tunes]

CMS (through vMPF)

CMS (through vMPF)

I think they are the same. It will say something like "referred to af vsp office" or something like that in cms, but when you click view my application under voluntary separation it will say "referred to bpo"....others can chime in here, but that has been what people are reporting so far during this debacle.

[Checks]

I think they are the same. It will say something like "referred to af vsp office" or something like that in cms, but when you click view my application under voluntary separation it will say "referred to bpo"....others can chime in here, but that has been what people are reporting so far during this debacle.

Yea, that's correct, it just means your base sent it to AFPC and now they'll sit on it. Good luck!

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[matmacwc]

So check this out, only way to successfully 3-day is apply for separation and have an approval number and date established when you turn in the denial paperwork. Just so happens that this is the same app in vMPF where you apply for VSP and we've all highlighted that you can only apply for one program at a time. My CC called Chief of Separations Branch today who didn't know the answer and said he would get back to him, which of course he did not.

I know somewhere in this process over the next two days someone at AFPC or in an MPF-type career field will tell me that I have to pull my VSP app to apply for Separation in Lieu of and I will "kindly" tell them how completely unacceptable that is.

Yes, I had a somewhat similar situation. You can pull the VSP app to 3 day opt, or take the chance. Mine was a 7 day opt, which I did with MPF but they never told me to do it in vMPF, VSP comes out 3 months later and I apply for that (trying to get earlier). My email in-container start lighting up with "Welcome to base X" and I lose my mind. I call the MPF and ask what the F? They admit to screwing up and tell me I can pull my VSP app to 7 day opt, or, get this, let it ride and if I get denied 7 day opt then. Would have been like a 4 month opt. I'm glad the MPF had a visitor log and I had kept my emails as proof I was trying to do the right thing with the 7 day opt.