FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[TrunkMonkey]

from the Facebook site (I know the dude, legit guy):

"99/O-5/11X/No ADSC. I inquired about my status last friday and got this from the OIC of retirements this morning. "Apologies for the delay. AFPC is working with the pentagon with adjudicating the rated officer TERA applications. We will be finalizing them in the next couple days and will be sending you the decision soonest (approval or disapproval). I appreciate your patience and more to come."

If this is true then we will probably have the rest of the TERA pilot notifications within 7 days or so (for those not already approved/denied or bouncing back and forth between the two...)

So now I have 7 days to decide on my assignment.

Same thing happened to me on 17 Mar (99/O-5/11M/1yr ADSC left for GI bill transfer) ... and I simply did not sign anything. I do not want to 7-day opt out if my TERA gets denied so I figured they would just give me the assignment whether I signed the RIP or not. Low and behold, my outprocessing checklist is already loaded in vMPF and I've received an email welcoming me to my new base...and my RNLTD is 31 Jan 15. I did not want anything in the system that even looked like an ADSC so I told the boss I was not going to sign my RIP and his response was "that's fine, just don't try and 7-day opt a month from now"

This might not help your situation but it is an example of how messed up this whole TERA/VSP program has made the entire personnel system.

Edited April 7, 2014 by TrunkMonkey

[lossofclocklossofdata]

Another day gone by with no sign of rescue from this desert island.

[Herk Driver]

Same thing happened to me on 17 Mar (99/O-5/11M/1yr ADSC left for GI bill transfer) ... and I simply did not sign anything. I do not want to 7-day opt out if my TERA gets denied so I figured they would just give me the assignment whether I signed the RIP or not. Low and behold, my outprocessing checklist is already loaded in vMPF and I've received an email welcoming me to my new base...and my RNLTD is 31 Jan 15. I did not want anything in the system that even looked like an ADSC so I told the boss I was not going to sign my RIP and his response was "that's fine, just don't try and 7-day opt a month from now"

You probably want to talk with someone at assignments and let them know your situation. You don't have to sign anything, but if you receive an assignment notification and do nothing...in 7 days you own the assignment. Just saying that you probably want to address this with the powers that be at TFSC and get it on record that you have an app in the system and if approved, you intend to get out.

[32off]

Maiden post...it has been a pleasure reading everyone's posts. I have to admit, there is some extremely comical verbiage, albeit this is not a laughing matter. I am a 2003 11M. I am inebriated that it is now 7 April and word of this entire S#@*show started back in early December. I can tell you all this, if there is not some answers by the end of this week, I am going to fully expose AFPC and their chain of incompetence to some of the major news organizations. BLUF, this entire cluster has been a colossal waste of our time and resources. This type of vacillation and obduracy would NEVER be tolerated in the operations world, yet A1 and the "yes men" get a hall pass consistently. I can't even plan family/life events past July because of these incompetent "leaders", who probably all went to IDE/SDE somewhere. It's good to see the ROI of the taxpayer dollars being utilized so well. Best of luck to all of you out there.

[chim richalds]

I feel your pain, but what are you going to say to the press? The air force won't give me my severance pay for breaking my contract, or they won't give me my pension for life for serving 15-19 years? I'm not defending these clowns at all, I just think we get a little too emotional with all of this. Things are moving in the right direction, just at a pace that make glaciers look fast.

[Mountain]

Maiden post...it has been a pleasure reading everyone's posts. I have to admit, there is some extremely comical verbiage, albeit this is not a laughing matter. I am a 2003 11M. I am inebriated that it is now 7 April and word of this entire S#@*show started back in early December. I can tell you all this, if there is not some answers by the end of this week, I am going to fully expose AFPC and their chain of incompetence to some of the major news organizations. BLUF, this entire cluster has been a colossal waste of our time and resources. This type of vacillation and obduracy would NEVER be tolerated in the operations world, yet A1 and the "yes men" get a hall pass consistently. I can't even plan family/life events past July because of these incompetent "leaders", who probably all went to IDE/SDE somewhere. It's good to see the ROI of the taxpayer dollars being utilized so well. Best of luck to all of you out there.

I don't know what obduracy is, but I don't like it!

[32off]

I feel your pain, but what are you going to say to the press? The air force won't give me my severance pay for breaking my contract, or they won't give me my pension for life for serving 15-19 years? I'm not defending these clowns at all, I just think we get a little too emotional with all of this. Things are moving in the right direction, just at a pace that make glaciers look fast.

Well, there is certainly plenty of PSDM buffoonery to make a valid case. But you are right, emotions are running high. How can an organization that prides itself on "excellence in all we do" cause so much confusion and disorder over such an expansive amount of time? I mean really? And when is someone going to accept responsibility for this glacier race? Love the profile picture, BTW.

[chizz]

Why in gods name are they dropping assignments for a RNLTD in ...Jan 15???? Unless you have 4-5month training somewhere. Are they playing poker with our lives? Wait, don't answer that, we already know the answer.

"You never have too much gas...unless you're on fire"

[C-21.Pilot]

White House petetion:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140407/CAREERS/304070050/Early-retirement-revoked-some-airmen-leads-White-House-petition

[Guest]

White House petetion:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20140407/CAREERS/304070050/Early-retirement-revoked-some-airmen-leads-White-House-petition

I can't find the petition on the White House petition site. Was it removed? Link?

Edit: nevermind. Petitions need 150 signatures before they are searchable. Until then, you need a direct link to the petition.

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Edited April 8, 2014 by deaddebate

[C-21.Pilot]

I don't think this will make it that far, but the CSAF is engaged now....

[SuperWSO]

I don't think this will make it that far, but the CSAF is engaged now....

Source? What are you basing your claim on?

[Rusty Pipes]

Source? What are you basing your claim on?

Heard at Nellis yesterday CSAF said they were contacting those who were told they were approved and then got the "just kidding" e-mail and were going to honor the first approval notification. I wasn't there so it is just second hand, but I can't imagine the Boss ever letting these "take backs" fly. I don't imaging it was too many that this happened to... not sure if there is anything going on with those who had a retirement date that has since disappeared, but also heard this was just a computer problem. Good luck to all of you still in limbo... I know this must really suck!

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Called the TFSC today and they said 300 got the glitch email. They're working to fix those now and then will get back to the rest of the TERA apps. Good news for those that got the take-back email, but another delay for those still waiting on an answer.

[tunes]

so when are they going to start processing VSP apps....

[MooseDriver1]

Just got officially notified of my 365. It's hard to tell from PDSM (I know, big surprise), but when, not if, I 3-day opt, does that automatically make me ineligible for VSP?

How convenient that it hasn't been processed yet even though I submitted 6 Feb and has been there since 21 Feb

[chaps_k]

so when are they going to start processing VSP apps....

They have already started it up little by little. We got word on Friday. Hope it helps... I'm keeping my fingers crossed for everyone who wants out!

Officer VSP Approved:

Significant other got VSP approval on Friday. Captain, non-pilot; here are the specs:

63A, 2008 year group

No ADSCs

6 years, 3 months at DOS

Let the party begin and good luck to everybody! This forum has been an AMAZING source for info and I cannot thank you all enough!

[tunes]

They have already started it up little by little. We got word on Friday. Hope it helps... I'm keeping my fingers crossed for everyone who wants out!

yeah, sorry i was referring to rated VSP. I've only heard of 1 approval so far.

[MooseAg03]

Just got officially notified of my 365. It's hard to tell from PDSM (I know, big surprise), but when, not if, I 3-day opt, does that automatically make me ineligible for VSP?

How convenient that it hasn't been processed yet even though I submitted 6 Feb and has been there since 21 Feb

For the rest of us out there, what is your Short Tour Return Date? That way we can estimate how vulnerable the rest of us are.

[Guest]

MOAA and NAUS are testifying at a House Armed Services Committee hearing tomorrow (Beneficiary and Advocacy Overview of the FY15 President’s Budget).

https://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/hearings-display?ContentRecord_id=B4939547-34E4-442E-A728-E303A9E11E88

https://www.naus.org

https://www.moaa.org

Senate Armed Service Committee has a hearing tomorrow on the "Posture of the Department of the Air Force."

https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/hearings/14-04-10-posture-of-the-department-of-the-air-force

I don't expect it to be much different than the House hearing:

https://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/hearings-display?ContentRecord_id=1E8FFACF-87D1-4C7A-87F7-7C095442BFF6

Lastly, tomorrow is another SASC hearing on "Active, Guard, Reserve, and Civilian Personnel Programs."

https://www.armed-services.senate.gov/hearings/14-04-09-active-guard-reserve-and-civilian-personnel-programs

As the HASC hearing with these generals was the one that somewhat falsely kicked up dust about "sacrificing pay," this one might also be interesting.

https://armedservices.house.gov/index.cfm/hearings-display?ContentRecord_id=E8B153CF-B432-46DD-B185-CB41851ABA14

We're approaching the committee timeline for budget submittal, which is slated for full markup in May, and then presentation to the full congress. Ideally, a full federal budget would be completed in August, but the historical continuing resolutions and other half-steps may position the DOD to get its' own independent budget. That would be nice, but I wouldn't count on it. My guess is by early June, the committees will be decided enough to give the Air Force (and the rest of the DOD) realistic and semi-concrete information for them to make the final decisions on personnel, acquisitions, and installations for FY15.

A final budget probably won't actually pass and be signed until around late September or mid-October. Apart from total morons like Sen. Cruz, the Republicans are too worried about looking like the jerks and antagonists to risk another government shutdown, so we won't go beyond October. Again, the Republicans really want to play their cards right this time around as they are positioned to take back the Senate in 2016. Also, they need to start getting serious about their Presidential Candidates, especially since the Democrats may already have that lead with Hillary Clinton.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/fivethirtyeight-senate-forecast

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

Edit: I realize this could go in the sequestration and cuts thread, but it highlights that the Air Force won't know what direction it's going for several more months.

Edited April 8, 2014 by deaddebate

[chaps_k]

yeah, sorry i was referring to rated VSP. I've only heard of 1 approval so far.

Gotcha. Best of luck! Hope it works out for you... this has been a serious mess.

[ThreeHoler]

To date, 2,712 enlisted voluntary applications and 310 officer voluntary applications for TERA have been approved and 2,471 enlisted VSP applications and 167 officer VSP applications have also been approved.

https://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/478258/april-8-pulse-on-af-force-management.aspx

[Nasty2004]

I'm 2008 65F (Finance) just got disapproval because my AFSC and Yr Group had too many applications.

I'll be f**cking up your pay and providing terrible customer service for the foreseeable future.

My year group and AFSC originally was letting 8/32 people out, they switched it to 5 after they received all the applications. That's like telling Wisconsin they can't play white players or shoot 3s after tip-off.

Thanks for all the info. Deuces

It's good to hear that you won't let this setback keep you from providing the level of support we've come to expect from finance.

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[jates]

VSP denied

64P '07

GI Bill ADSC

Didn't get email notification, just checking CSM a few times a day and this afternoon it showed "no open cases". Follow-up on Voluntary Sep part of vMPF had comments at the bottom from a TSgt, stating my career field and year group had as many as they need, that now I'm no longer eligible... no further rationale. Well worth 2 months of waiting and checking status like a fool, not to mention providing solid intel that will help leadership identify me for lots of solid activities going forward.

Coincidentally got tasked for a 6 mo Afghan treat last week also, so at least there's that to look forward to!

This was fun, thanks AFPC.

[Techsan]

For the rest of us out there, what is your Short Tour Return Date? That way we can estimate how vulnerable the rest of us are.

We had a few guys with pre notifications...I think STRD was in the ballpark of Sep 2000.