FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[Bobby]

More proof that Tony Carr is an avid reader of the forums:

https://www.jqpublic-blog.com/business-usual-air-force-personnel-center-mangles-drawdown/

[DUNBAR]

I would be interested in any insights or comments from folks with direct experience working at or with AFPC regarding Tony's article. I suspect there is much more plain old incompetence at work than evil Orwellian conspiracies.

[pawnman]

I fully expected that A1 would not understand authorization and restrictions or this drawdown....really, this is not a surprise to me. Again, when your people are focused on the wrong shit 96% of the time, when you need them to focus on what is really important (ie, their primary jobs), they have to play catch up. Like I've always said before, we can still get the job done, it just won't be timely or pretty. I expect this trend to continue for at least another generation of "leadership."

The CSAF and A1 didn't know about VSP delays/shenanigans? Really!?!? Who the fuck was making the decisions on that if not the top two dudes in the reporting chain who are supposed to be directing this thing? Is Chang up there making decisions without talking to the boss?!?

Great staff work! I've seen people fired for much MUCH less. How can you not brief THE boss on progress to cut 25,000 airmen?

Good luck A1...we're all counting on you!

The same way the nuclear enterprise hid their dismal morale programs from higher headquarters for so long. "No sir, no problems here, everything's going great, we got a ton of VSP applications, we shouldn't have any problem meeting your goals".

[chizz]

With the brief pause for Air Staff to digest the amount of VSP applicants, do you think the numbers will increase or decrease in the 11M category, or maybe they've decided to not release any pilots at all? With the 16,400 FY15 proposed active duty cut maybe they'll increase the numbers. Or is the Proposed FY15 cut part of the original plan that was unveiled my CSAF in December? However a majority of that will come from the enlisted force.

"or maybe they've decided to not release any pilots at all?"

DING DING DING. thats my guess. All of a sudden each and every one of us is needed.

[Skitzo]

Need the rated bodies to stick around and run the gym?

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[Tnkr]

I would be interested in any insights or comments from folks with direct experience working at or with AFPC regarding Tony's article. I suspect there is much more plain old incompetence at work than evil Orwellian conspiracies.

Conspiracies imply that there is a higher order intelligence at play. Will any of us that have ever dealt with AFPC be willing or able to commit to the idea that there is an overarching higher order intelligence in A1?

[MountainHerc]

At least we know the AFPC folks are prepping for their future careers down the road at the VA. Seems the three tactics they have in common is delay, deny and shred.

[Mountain]

Conspiracies imply that there is a higher order intelligence at play. Will any of us that have ever dealt with AFPC be willing or able to commit to the idea that there is an overarching higher order intelligence in A1?

So very true. AFPC has a very "we answer to nobody" attitude when it comes to doing most things, and the attitude is throughout the organization.

[shweaty]

Million dollar question. Will we have an answer this week? Or maybe a first batch result?

[chizz]

memo from CSAF is dropping tues.

At least we know the AFPC folks are prepping for their future careers down the road at the VA. Seems the three tactics they have in common is delay, deny and shred.

https://washingtonexaminer.com/veterans-affairs-purged-thousands-of-medical-tests-to-game-its-backlog-stats/article/2544580

so true

Edited March 10, 2014 by chizz

[tunes]

Million dollar question. Will we have an answer this week? Or maybe a first batch result?

"first batch" was processed 2+ weeks ago when the first round of mass UPT ADSC denials went out...

[shweaty]

"first batch" was processed 2+ weeks ago when the first round of mass UPT ADSC denials went out...

I don't think a first batch was processed. Those apps with ADSC's were denied during the initial screening. We have three people at my base that have had their app in since day one and have not been rejected yet. They too have an ADSC for UPt.

Edited March 10, 2014 by C17Jockey

[Dreamer]

Anyone know what validation complete means for TERA? Saw it updated on my app

[Crewdog135]

Dreamer, I wish I did. I'm in the same boat. Not sure what it means but it was the first change in a month. Hopefully we'll know something soon.

[Dreamer]

Yep, I need to find a job.. First progress in over a month also

[tunes]

If you have a UPT ADSC it's time to give up the ghost....the rejection notes from all those denied say its specifically for UPT ADSC and therefore ineligible...if they then process other apps with UPT ADSC and approve them, the people that got denied have a whole hell of a lot of ammo..

Edited March 10, 2014 by tunes

[WAG]

memo from CSAF is dropping tues.

https://washingtonexaminer.com/veterans-affairs-purged-thousands-of-medical-tests-to-game-its-backlog-stats/article/2544580

so true

Does this fall under the "it's only important if somebody has to ask you to do it twice" tactic most commonly employed by execs?

Edited March 10, 2014 by WAG

[lloydbraun]

If you have a UPT ADSC it's time to give up the ghost....the rejection notes from all those denied say its specifically for UPT ADSC and therefore ineligible...if they then process other apps with UPT ADSC and approve them, the people that got denied have a whole hell of a lot of ammo..

tunes, don't let your readiness to file an IG complaint prevent someone else from applying because you think it's pointless. You don't have all the information. I have a UPT ADSC and I haven't been denied yet. I'm betting my ADSC expires before yours does.

[chim richalds]

For serious? What does your FSS know? Usually I can answer that question (not much) but I wonder what they were told. Have you mentioned this before? Thats the first I've seen in my perusal of this board every 6-9 seconds.

[Altus Barbarosa]

Getting frustrated as F with this process. Mine has said CC COORD COMPLETE since 30 Jan but no status change since then. I see other put in some batch processing hold and shit and now they ate being validated while mine seems to still be collecting dust. Send an email no reply. Call TFSC and they can't actually do anything and no responding r&s. I know they are slammed but I feel like I'm getting the fn Heisman here. Another guy in my unit is in the exact same boat. This is a huge cluster.

[BamaC-21]

No I have not mentioned it since we were given the word by our CC Thursday afternoon to reapply if you were denied.

I'm at a Guard base and we're getting zero info from leadership, but the TFSC said this afternoon that there has been no change to UPT ADSC waiver guidance. Also, the JQP facebook is for everyone, not just 11Ms. I hate to jump the gun and walk away from the cash by applying for PC, but I'm starting to feel like big blue isn't going to pay us to walk when we've shown we'll do it for free. My 365 isn't being put on hold while the AF gets their shit in one sock.

[North48]

On Fri/7th, my TERA status changed to "FM-Validation Complete." Called the AFPC hotline and the guy said my app has been checked and rechecked and is in the approve pile (I'm not holding my breath). He went on further to say that now AFPC is waiting on guidance from HAF on how many to actually let go.

I take all this with a grain of salt, considering the folks answering the phone at AFPC (hotline) are typically less than informed. I've found I usually know more about the content of the PSDMs than they do. Here's hoping for movement soon!

All-pls continue posting your VSP and TERA status changes/movement. If AFPC won't keep us informed, let's keep each other informed.

[gator2]

North48, what's your year group/ADSC/AFSC info?

[shweaty]

North 48 when you called the hotline did you talk to the separations office or some other office?

[tunes]

tunes, don't let your readiness to file an IG complaint prevent someone else from applying because you think it's pointless. You don't have all the information. I have a UPT ADSC and I haven't been denied yet. I'm betting my ADSC expires before yours does.

don't worry, your time will come. I'm all for people applying....and i wish everyone got approved. It's just I don't want these people getting their hopes up since they haven't been denied yet. You probably do have less than me...but there were 2 guys at my base with under 10 months of UPT ADSC left that got the first batch of denials right along with me.

Edited March 11, 2014 by tunes