FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[BamaC-21]

ETA: A contingency deployment listed as "Awaiting DFAS Input" = bad.

Yep, that's what I was getting at.

[MSCguy]

They just did this to the Civilians at my base. The sent email to everyone asking for volunteers for VERA/VSIP. After a day of

flight-line guys showing up with filled out applications. They sent another email saying only Admin types can apply.

Is this only for certain bases or majcoms? Haven't heard anything about it at my base-I have a GS that I would love to steer towards VERA.

[MC5Wes]

Around the 18th of December I got the email asking for volunteers. It was part of the Air Force getting rid of 900 people by February 28th.

www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/467714/af-officials-announce-fy14-civilian-workforce-shaping.aspx

I went to the Edwards civilian personnel the next day. And it was only for admin types. No aircraft mechanics.

[chizz]

What the "member requests to separate" is referring to is like a 7 day opt. They send you a RIP, you say thanks for this amazing opportunity to retrain into something I hate but no thanks and then set a DOS. The issue with that is, if you have more than 2-3 years you have to, 2 for the PCS or 3 if its a new weapons system.

Now I did hear a rumor some guy on his letter to the board stated "I do not agree with the foreign policy of the US military" and he got RIF'd. I want a reserve job so I think I will just stick with the palace chase option is my VSP is denied. I just hope they hurry up and make a decision so I can pursue other options ASAP before the dreaded 365 comes down. You know AFPC is putting all our names on a list and saying, well he got denied VSP and he's not doing anything for the next 18 months, lets use every last bit of him before he pulls chocks.

And I am sorry but that video I posted couldnt have come at a more perfect time, it was just so fitting to everyone who applied on Thurs, I laughed my ass off. REFRESH, REFRESH, REFRESH

[matmacwc]

You fuckstains need to chill out, I was told by my CC while on AD no pilot, especially an 11F, was getting VSP. I got it, it was the end of my commitment, but still. If you want it, apply.

BTW, your separation date in vMPF will show up before the official email and CC notification.

Edited February 9, 2014 by matmacwc

[tunes]

just checked mine and it has also been sent up to Wg/CC

[HoHum]

Did you update the right thing? Duty history is relatively easy to update via vMPF, the TDY history is not. I don't see what your duty history is really going to do to alter a 365...your STRD however could be altered if past TDYs are not accounted for correctly.

Bendy -

Thanks for lookin' out - I got the TDY duty updated, which bumped up my STRD. Local assignments section actually sat down and combed right through it with me sitting there. Be sure to take in copies of your voucher. You will need to manually copy the DOV Number for each voucher from the Digital Signature page in your DTS voucher, as it doesn't print on the traditional voucher form.

[MooseAg03]

I was told straight up last night by my FLT/CC that taking the VSP "does not waive your pilot training commitment." I'm not sure if it's coming down the chain to tell everyone that, or what is going on. I was told that the AF would recoup that commitment in some way and possibly monetarily. It doesn't make sense to me that the AF would pay you to separate early then charge you for the commitment they let you out of. What happened to CSAF saying nobody would be subject to RIF without first having the option to voluntarily separate? When I pressed that point I was told I was absolutely still eligible to be RIFed.

I don't know what I believe anymore, other than the AF is plainly showing people why there are so many who want to jump off of this train wreck.

[BamaC-21]

I was told straight up last night by my FLT/CC that taking the VSP "does not waive your pilot training commitment." I'm not sure if it's coming down the chain to tell everyone that, or what is going on. I was told that the AF would recoup that commitment in some way and possibly monetarily. It doesn't make sense to me that the AF would pay you to separate early then charge you for the commitment they let you out of. What happened to CSAF saying nobody would be subject to RIF without first having the option to voluntarily separate? When I pressed that point I was told I was absolutely still eligible to be RIFed.

I don't know what I believe anymore, other than the AF is plainly showing people why there are so many who want to jump off of this train wreck.

I'm not 100% sure that AFPC knows what's going on from A1 yet. I am sure our Wg and Sq CC's don't know what's going on. The chances your Flt/CC has it figured out are zero.

Edited February 9, 2014 by BamaC-21

[tunes]

I was told straight up last night by my FLT/CC that taking the VSP "does not waive your pilot training commitment." I'm not sure if it's coming down the chain to tell everyone that, or what is going on. I was told that the AF would recoup that commitment in some way and possibly monetarily. It doesn't make sense to me that the AF would pay you to separate early then charge you for the commitment they let you out of. What happened to CSAF saying nobody would be subject to RIF without first having the option to voluntarily separate? When I pressed that point I was told I was absolutely still eligible to be RIFed.

I don't know what I believe anymore, other than the AF is plainly showing people why there are so many who want to jump off of this train wreck.

oh no, not your Flt/CC

[waveshaper]

Lesson number 1 for AFPC; Keep it simple and hire this guy.

[BamaC-21]

My app says "referred to BPO" with Sq & Wg/CC both recommending approval. I hope they decide to lawyer those PSDMs in our favor.

Edited February 9, 2014 by BamaC-21

[Herk Driver]

I was told straight up last night by my FLT/CC that taking the VSP "does not waive your pilot training commitment." I'm not sure if it's coming down the chain to tell everyone that, or what is going on. I was told that the AF would recoup that commitment in some way and possibly monetarily. It doesn't make sense to me that the AF would pay you to separate early then charge you for the commitment they let you out of. What happened to CSAF saying nobody would be subject to RIF without first having the option to voluntarily separate? When I pressed that point I was told I was absolutely still eligible to be RIFed.

I don't know what I believe anymore, other than the AF is plainly showing people why there are so many who want to jump off of this train wreck.

There is not a recoupment for UPT ADSC option. It will not happen. The AF tried to do this to a Capt that was separating due to circumstances well within his control and the MAJCOM and above were trying to figure out a way to make him pay back 5-6 years of UPT ADSC. It didn't happen and was determined that it could not be done.

[MSCguy]

Where is Vetter? I remember him saying in another thread that he was passed over twice, refused continuation, and he was sent a bill for the last year of his UPT ADSC.

[lossofclocklossofdata]

"REFERRED TO BASE AD UNIT." I'm guessing that means no movement yet.

[PointBreak]

Mine is currently referred to the wing commander.

[chim richalds]

slow news day on the vsp front, may tomorrow bring us good news

[Tnkr]

slow news day on the vsp front, may tomorrow bring us good news

I think the real questions will come when the first batch is announced. For instance, I think most of us have been told that the first batch is likely to close a month after the window opened. I'm guessing that when (if?) A1/AFPC looks at how many of us dropped an app in the first 6-9 minutes they may change the batch date from one month to 7 minutes. And I'll bet only a FOIA request would reveal it.

[chizz]

"my flt/cc told me" - best line to date

[tunes]

what's the deal with core AFSC? can that be changed? 11M but PCS'd to the MC-12 along with many others and our home station sent an email saying they were changing our core AFSC to 11R

[FLY6584]

what's the deal with core AFSC? can that be changed? 11M but PCS'd to the MC-12 along with many others and our home station sent an email saying they were changing our core AFSC to 11R

I originally tried to PM this to you, but it said you could not accept any new messages. I have deleted the name of the person you need to contact to protect his privacy, but if you can clear out your PM's and PM me then I can send you his name.

You need to email "NAME" at AFPC. He is the guy in charge of ISR Assignments and the only one that can update your core ID. Your squadron in conjunction with MPF is able to update your DAFSC and your PAFSC so make sure those both reflect 11R, but also make sure you have "NAME" update your Core ID as well because that can disqualify you if not correct. I was in the same boat... PAFSC and DAFSC said 11R, but Core ID said 11K from my FAIP days. One e-mail to "Name" fixed it within hours.

[tunes]

pm sent, thanks

[ShavedDogsAss]

what's the deal with core AFSC? can that be changed? 11M but PCS'd to the MC-12 along with many others and our home station sent an email saying they were changing our core AFSC to 11R

Fly6584 is correct. However, be cautious with changing your core. AFPC seems to randomly change them without your explicit permission or knowledge. Could be bad JuJu if you're not actively monitoring it.

Bought me a second ALFA in a row when my original MWS porch couldn't even see me in their rolls. (Supposedly due to the Core ID being messed with)

[airline_guy]

Guys, I think I've figured it all out. Apparently, 13-130 outlines the conditions for RIF eligible officers, which includes allowing them to apply for VSP, and 14-08 is a program that allows officers with more than 6 but less than 20 yrs of service who are not RIF eligible to apply for VSP to help the Air Force with its reduction quota. They're two separate programs. If an officer is not RIF eligible, then they fall under the 14-08 program if they wish to separate. 14-08 refers officers to 13-65, which states certain ADSC's are not waiverable. So if a pilot is not RIF eligible but they still wish to separate, they fall under 14-08 and 13-65. If an officer is RIF eligible, then they fall under 13-130 which allows them to apply for VSP and it does not refer to 13-65, meaning ADSC's are not restricted from being waived.

Also, just a heads up, the VSP application only lists your TAFMS date, not your TAFCS date. This matters if you're prior enlisted. My WG/CC approved my application but wrote in the comments that my year group wasn't RIF eligible. He was basing this on my TAFMS date on the application, not my TAFCS date, which actually does put me in the eligible block. RIF eligible year groups are based on your TAFCS date.

[pawnman]

Guys, I think I've figured it all out. Apparently, 13-130 outlines the conditions for RIF eligible officers, which includes allowing them to apply for VSP, and 14-08 is a program that allows officers with more than 6 but less than 20 yrs of service who are not RIF eligible to apply for VSP to help the Air Force with its reduction quota. They're two separate programs. If an officer is not RIF eligible, then they fall under the 14-08 program if they wish to separate. 14-08 refers officers to 13-65, which states certain ADSC's are not waiverable. So if a pilot is not RIF eligible but they still wish to separate, they fall under 14-08 and 13-65. If an officer is RIF eligible, then they fall under 13-130 which allows them to apply for VSP and it does not refer to 13-65, meaning ADSC's are not restricted from being waived.

Also, just a heads up, the VSP application only lists your TAFMS date, not your TAFCS date. This matters if you're prior enlisted. My WG/CC approved my application but wrote in the comments that my year group wasn't RIF eligible. He was basing this on my TAFMS date on the application, not my TAFCS date, which actually does put me in the eligible block. RIF eligible year groups are based on your TAFCS date.

Interesting. We just had an 11B, 2005 year group, told that no UPT ADSCs were being waived by AFPC, but they'd still be vulnerable for the RIF. I'll tell him to re-attack and see if he gets a different answer from a different person at AFPC.