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The cancel culture stuff is way overblown. There are huge communities of conservatives on every platform that exist without the threat of bans for one simple reason: they don't go around threatening people and inciting violence. If cancel culture is such a problem you're gonna have to explain to me how the #4 and #5 podcasts on apple right now are Dan bongino and Ben Shapiro. Seriously.. All of the biggest political channels are conservative. This is the case across most platforms. Conservatives are killing it on social media, and this has been the case for a long time. The problem Parler has is that they are the dumping ground for everyone that got kicked off normal social media for rules violations. This isn't a healthy pool of people from which to draw your user base. Think of it like AETC. It's no wonder the culture is toxic when you're getting the rejects from everywhere else. On top of that they weren't enforcing their own terms of service or maybe the wretched hive of scum and villainy grew too large to enforce, and at some point the hosting companies took notice. Probably doesn't help when a contingent of your nutjob users storms the capitol of the country. I actually think social media companies have been handling the delineation between conservative opinions vs things that are actually illegal and dangerous really well. Platforms like YouTube and Twitter keep conservatives around who actively trash them on a daily basis as long as what they're saying isn't incitement. Hell, every Steven crowder episode is basically just 90 minutes of him complaining about the YouTube algorithms. Lastly, to everyone invoking the section 230 town square argument I have two things: 1. If you go to the town square and try to start an insurrection, you will get arrested. 2. If you want to form your own alternative town square, no one is legally obligated to lease the space they own to you. TL;DR - if you want to behave like sh1t you're probably going to need to build your own infrastructure from the ground up.
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Twitter just permanently suspended trumps account. Good move in my opinion. He's been using the platform irresponsibly for years and now has strayed into blatant violations of the terms of service.
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@ViperMan the capitol "seeing some action" from a few nut jobs isn't the problem. Of course that was never going to go anywhere. The problem is those nut jobs were incited by a sitting president who has spewed falsehoods about an election he lost for over two months now. That is the concern. Over half of the republicans in the house opposed certifying the verified election results from Arizona earlier tonight based on absolutely no evidence. That is the coup attempt that could actually matter You want to talk about eroding trust in institutions? How about a sitting president lobbing unsubstantiated claims on Twitter since nov 3rd that have been thrown out by courts at literally every level of government.. including by his own nominees. And he just keeps spewing the crap anyway. In the long run, do I really think this is going to rip the country apart? No. But it will rip the Republican Party apart. So to you mealy mouthed trump-adjacent right wingers who just kindof tolerated his behavior: congrats. Have fun not having a leg to stand on for the next 5-10 years. It takes a lot to be crazier than today's Democrat party but you guys managed it. Last thing I'll say is I think today was a blessing in disguise. Only one person was killed which is a borderline miracle, especially since it was one of the belligerents and not someone in the capitol just trying to do their job. This episode exposed some serious security problems and the hot wash from this will help serve to beef up security for whatever lunacy trump tries to incite on the 20th.
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I feel the exact same way. If left wing protesters had done this every trumper in the military would be screaming to high heaven about political norms and institutions and the constitution and what have you. Just goes to show how vulnerable people are to cults of personality. I'm no fan of the left and I think they continue to trend in a very damaging direction, but as of tonight there is only one political party whose supporters have invaded the capitol and endangered our duly elected officials conducting the people's business.
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Nihilism is one strategy I suppose.
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When they're incited by completely false and unconstitutional claims by a sitting president.. yes. and your tone might not be so flippant after you realize that the right just lost all of their power for at least the next two years and all of their credibility for the next decade.
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Amen. The problem is that people have their political views inextricably tied to their identity and value as a person. This is where the whataboutism and equivocating and excuses come from. When your identity is wrapped up in politics it's more comfortable to keep doing that than admit you were wrong.
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And yet you still can't admit his words and actions directly led to the violent riots today. You're right. Groups shouldn't be characterized by their worst people. They should be characterized by their leader. This situation is just unique because those happen to be the same person.
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You're right. They're pretty much the same thing. So no doubt we can expect the exact same level of condemnation from you right?
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You're right, it's a strategy. Just a really, wildly, alarmingly bad one. Maybe trumpers will begin to realize the damage they've done if the Georgia republicans lose tonight. Incumbents are generally favored to win runoffs but trump's post election buffoonery has galvanized democrat voters to the point that what should be very winnable races are now a toss up. The shortsightedness is just astounding. "Oh I have a good idea! Let's gamble senate control, while simultaneously ruining election confidence and our own credibility, while also irreparably splitting the party.. to hitch the wagons to a guy who's gonna be politically irrelevant/dead of a heart attack in 1-5 years, and he wasn't even really a republican in the first place. What could possibly go wrong."
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Also I'm getting genuinely excited that we might see trump dragged out of office. If he doesn't concede after the ratification tomorrow I think the the time for him to escape this with any level of self respect has come and gone. Could be a very fun start to 2021
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I don't think there's any strategy at all. They lost, they know they lost, so they're defensively lashing out in all directions. I love pointing out how the democrats are being idiots when they do things that are logically inconsistent or harmful to their own cause, but republicans are putting on a spectacular display of the same thing right now. The fact that trump bandwagoners can't see that he is taking their own party to a very unproductive place blows my mind. It used to be nice being on the right because I could reasonably tell myself that republicans generally stick to some core values and respect our institutions. Lol not anymore.
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I cannot stress this enough: Polls about how people 'feel' do not constitute evidence of voter fraud. If you would like to have a conversation about generalized election mistrust we can do that.
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No one ever said what he revealed wasn't important. The problem was that he didn't do it through existing whistleblower channels endangering completely unrelated US assets in the process.
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It shouldn't be this easy to call something like this two weeks in advance. Just waiting on Rudy now for my "normal administration turnover" bingo card.
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It's pretty entertaining to watch you think that any part of this was factual, relevant, or clever. History is not going to look kindly on trumpers like you who insist on clinging to their alternate reality. But history books are written by aCaDeMic LiBTarDs anyways so who cares what they think amirite?!!!
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Here's a wild suggestion: the sitting president of the United States could refrain from pushing conspiracy nonsense all day every day. It won't solve the problem completely, but trump conceding and working for a smooth transition would go a long way towards shutting up both CNN and the proud boys.
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I've had a lot of time to think about the points you brought up... mainly because they're an almost perfect transcript of the last month of the Ben Shapiro show. So while we're at it let's invoke another Shapiro-ism: two things can be true at once. Thing 1: The mainstream media is biased garbage. Thing 2: Republicans think the election was stolen because that's what their unhinged leadership is feeding them. So yes, I blame republicans for their reaction. I blame them for being stupid enough to accept giant conspiracy claims without adequate evidence. I blame them for latching onto a dangerous narrative that could undo our entire system. And I blame trump for peddling this nonsense 25 times daily on his Twitter feed. I'm not saying the left wouldn't be doing this if they lost. And we can go round and round until the end of time arguing over whether democrats or republicans ruined political discourse first. The bottom line here is we have a sitting president acting like a toddler who had their toy taken away, and half the country is enabling the tantrum.
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Aaaaand now Rudy has covid. Not gonna lie I'm kind of bummed because him being sidelined greatly reduces the chance that trump will fulfill my prediction and fire him before this is all over. It does make you wonder though.. how many other people did Rudy infect as he bounced around the country flagrantly disregarding covid guidelines. Maybe this will finally be the moment where die hard right wingers realize the Trump/Giuliani clown show is detrimental to their own side. It's okay guys, some people are just slow to catch on... It only took them trying to undermine our entire election system while simultaneously infecting state and local republicans with a deadly disease through pure negligence.
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Barr will probably just be the next one in the administration to get canned like the last trump nominee who said the election was generally secure. You know.. as part of the completely normal administration turnover.
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You're right I probably wouldn't invest in fraud in New York and Cali.. but I certainly would in Texas and Florida. Both of which trump won narrowly, and since he won, their vote counts were of course super duper perfect and secure. It sounds stupid because it is stupid. This is my whole point. If you, a sitting president with any integrity whatsoever, were concerned about widespread fraud and our overall election tampering, you would be investigating it everywhere. Crying fraud only in the states where you narrowly lost looks an awful lot like slinging poop and hoping some of it sticks. And maybe it looks like that because that's exactly what it is.
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Riddle me this with your incredible critical thinking skills: if this nefarious fraud was so widespread, why does it seem to be perfectly constrained to the close margin states in which trump has a vote deficit?
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I'll tell you exactly what you're doing. You continuously and non-commitally allude to massive election fraud somewhere in the ether, and then when anyone challenges you on any detail you immediately retreat to "that's not what I was saying" semantic bs. Here's a crazy idea to try: make a concrete claim, and then support it with evidence. The trump legal team could probably use that advice too.
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@torqued "we" know exactly what you're trying to do. We've been watching you embarrass yourself for weeks with comically flimsy election fraud claims. It's also why you posted verbiage from a Pennsylvania house resolution written by the fringe of their right wing, which was not passed, or even voted on. "House Republican leaders, however, declined to grant extra time in order to consider the proposed resolution. The legislative session ended Monday, as scheduled."
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So what exactly does this video prove? Are we just throwing up spider charts of how servers work and saying because something is on the internet it could hypothetically be hacked... The question isn't whether a system can be hacked. Of course it can. The question is WAS it hacked. This has been the crux of the entire debate for weeks now: If you want to disenfranchise millions of voters you need to provide tangible evidence that large scale election interference/hacking/fraud actually occurred. And I'm not sure where the evidence for that Venmo claim is. Nowhere in that video did he discuss dominion or Venmo's actual security measures. Meanwhile you have Rudy in the background extrapolating ad infinitum the most bonkers conclusions possible. Because dominion is on the internet->Frankfurt->hackers are on the internet->the democrats changed votes->NAZIS!! This is why you need to be careful about where you get your news.
