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If you haven't read Strauss and Howe's book The Fourth Turning, do it. It explains the Crisis of Trust. We're experiencing it on every level, top to bottom, at nearly every institution. It doesn't end well. Gen Milley held a secret Pentagon staff meeting and told them not to take orders from President Trump in a nuclear emergency. He called China to tell them he wouldn't allow an attack. "Milley took extraordinary action, and called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8 to review the process for military action, including launching nuclear weapons. Speaking to senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon's war room, Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved. "No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure," Milley told the officers, according to the book. He then went around the room, looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally confirm they understood. "Got it?" Milley asked, according to the book. "Yes, sir." 'Milley considered it an oath,' the authors write. https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/politics/woodward-book-trump-nuclear/?utm_term=link&utm_source=twcnnbrk&utm_content=2021-09-14T15%3A56%3A45&utm_medium=social

Point taken on the numbers. I understand what you're saying and I do believe the vaccines are somewhat effective for many of the people, but I still believe the reported numbers themselves are ripe for manipulation. Even when I'm referencing them, I know you cannot remove all subjectivity within them. With regard to trust, this is how it is violated: Oregon reports COVID deaths as "probable" exposures, any deaths 60 days after hospitalization, or any death certificate diagnosis regardless of the date. Doctors and Hospital "marketing" staff are manipulating numbers to scare people. A large amount of hospitalizations are mild or asymptomatic. You can't sue either a pharmaceutical company or the government for harm caused by a forced vaccine. The CDC reported 83% of Americans already had COVID anti-bodies in May. Far above the herd immunity threshold. Why do they need the vaccine? I can provide hundreds of other sources, but it boils down to exactly what you've said. Too many lies. The biggest conspiracy theory is that the government genuinely cares about your health. But they're not lying for lying's sake. These misrepresentations and justifications for everyone to be required the take vaccine leads in an obvious direction towards an obvious goal, and it is not the overall health and well being of people. Again, I am not in any way against someone making the choice for themselves to get injected with vaccine as long as it's a free choice.

Damn, brother. So sorry to hear this. I don't have much humor for you. I was lacing my boots for an afternoon low-level formation airdrop as an Lt when my pregnant wife called me in to see the TV. I fought back tears after I saw the second plane hit and the towers fall. 20 years went by. Almost the entire middle of my life. Then, I watched the chaos at Kabul as we left. Not to make this about me, but I understand what your friend may have been feeling. It took a lot of mental and emotional effort to remain stoic in the midst of what I was experiencing. Depending on what his individual circumstances may have been, he may have had a more difficult time wrestling with the thoughts of "What was it all for?, Why did something I believed in so much in, seem to fail so badly? What about the people I knew that were wrecked by that place? Why is my country abandoning so many other things I thought I was fighting for? Was I wrong about everything?" How do we prevent someone from having to ask those sorts of questions? Maybe begin here at home. What can we do to fix this foundation, this society, so that none of our future military members ever have and doubts or second thoughts about what they're fighting for. The military needs civilians to fight just as hard back here. There is a different type of war still going on, and I don't think it's hopeless. Go make sure this country is the one you want it to be, not the one he thought it might be becoming. Again, very sorry for the loss of your friend.

This is not related to this discussion at all, but I thought this story about a teacher indoctrinating his students and rewarding them for adopting his positions was interesting.

This was how it was explained to me. Not saying this is how it is, just repeating what I was told. When you leave the plane, you are appointed escorts in hazmat gear. They take you to a closed wing of the passenger terminal that is used entirely for aircrew processing. The lines can be very long and waits can be hours. You first do the rapid test. If positive, you're screwed. Quarantined. Next is the interview. Some degree of personal information is gathered. My friend said it's assumed they are checking you out online. "Have you ever had COVID?, Has anyone in your family ever had COVID? Have you been near anyone that has had COVID? Etc, etc, etc." The right answer is always, "No". Apparently, one company had 3 pilots screw Ups those questions and were told they were to be quarantined at a COVID facility for 28 days. I think the company had to make some frantic phone calls to get them back home. If you pass the tests, you're escorted all the way to your hotel room, and you're not allowed to leave until the escorted van ride back to the airport.

My argument has always been that the vaccine is not completely safe and that vaccine is not completely effective. Evidence continues to leak through the massive propaganda wall that this vaccine is neither. I LOL'd because it was obvious you don't understand the table. The denominator is already in the table. FIRST COLUMN. WTF? I continue to LOL because I can't believe I have to point this out All Old People (>50) Delta COVID Deaths (Denominator) - 1644 Vaccinated (Numerator) - 1054 Unvaccinated (Numerator) - 437 You are trying to bury the evidence in "denominators of all old people deaths for all reasons" when the fact of the matter is the deaths in that table are being attributed to COVID. Yes, old people die of a lot of things. But these are all the deaths in the UK being attributed to COVID by a positive specimen test and after receiving a vaccine. If the people in your denominators were dying from other old people reasons, they wouldn't be recorded in the table. Why would any of them be recorded as dying of COVID if they are vaccinated, and at higher rates (in the same row) than unvaccinated? It is because the vaccine doesn't work as advertised? Yes, I am arguing there is evidence to suggest the vaccine does not reduce the rates of hospitalization and death to the extent that it should be mandatory for everyone. Breakthrough infections. A outdated vaccine that was manufactured for the original genomic sequence and one that will continue to mutate even if 100% of the population receives this vaccine. Somehow I get the impression no one in your SQ cares about your personal assessment of their character.

And... why does congress allow blanket immunity from legal liability for all vaccine manufacturers? what other private industry is given protection from lawsuits over physical harm caused by its product that the government forces its citizens to use?

LOL. Now do this one: https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/09/07/massachusetts-coronavirus-breakthrough-cases-jump-4415-last-week-more-than-600-fully-vaccinated-people-a-day/ and this one: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Thanks for speaking up. More should. You reminded me of this quote.

What's this? Half? A great read in the Atlantic: Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases. By David Zweig https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/09/covid-hospitalization-numbers-can-be-misleading/620062/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf Why is the UK officially reporting higher death tolls among the vaccinated?

Blinken getting absolutely destroyed by both Dems and Reps at the House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on Afghanistan. Brutal.

Almost like applying a universal vaccine mandate for everyone, everywhere as if they were all being affected the same doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

You should choose your words more carefully. When you use absolutes just to try and sound more confident in your position, you stand a much greater chance of contradicting yourself, and losing credibility when you later have to backpedal and explain your position is much more nuanced when called on it. I have no problem at all with you doing your own personal risk analysis. Do what you want. But, do not apply your risk analysis to me because my personal analysis says deteriorating freedoms and liberties which allow us to be able to have this discussion in the first place is more of a risk than either COVID or the vaccine.

Anyone placing bets on the results of the CA governor recall election? "You've already voted" Multiple mail-in ballots received at a single address: https://air.tv/?v=Zrkh2VA_T6WKaCdrne04iQ

Let's check in on our overwhelmed hospitals... https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1437451002714607618?s=20

I recently spoke to a friend who is flying cargo in and out of China. He wanted to tell me about the way foreign aircrews are treated. Maybe someone here can speak to the COVID processing lines there. Apparently, China has done a great job in making sure every citizen believes COVID is a US biological weapon. As such, much of the chinese population is united against a common enemy. This article has been circulated by the CCP to every major news outlet, and nearly all are state owned. It is also circulated on social media. You can use Chrome or Google Translate to read here: https://www.news.cn/politics/2021-08/29/c_1127807097.htm "Everyone Can Feel a Profound Change is Underway! China is currently facing an increasingly severe and complex international environment. The United States is implementing increasingly severe military threats, economic and technological blockades, financial strikes, political and diplomatic siege against China, and is launching biological warfare, cyber warfare, and public opinion against China. Wars and space wars have increasingly launched a color revolution against China through the fifth column within China. If at this time, we have to rely on those big capitalists as the main force of anti-imperialist and anti-hegemony, and are still catering to the American nipple strategy, so that our young generation will lose their strong and masculine glory, then we don’t need enemies to fight. I fell first, just like the Soviet Union back then, letting the country collapse, letting the country's wealth be looted, and letting the people fall into serious disaster. Therefore, the profound changes currently taking place in China are precisely in response to the current severe and complicated international situation, precisely in response to the brutal and ferocious attacks that the United States has begun to launch against China." Chinese sabre-rattling is nothing new, but it has escalated significantly beyond a point where we could previously dismiss it as just China talkin' trash. China must think now is the time to capitalize on the social, financial, military and political chaos that we're experiencing here. They're going to make a move soon. Buy your Christmas gifts early. https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202109/1234177.shtml

I would love to have a Humvee with a turret on top around the farm. It's easier for Iran to get them by the dozen than it is for me to get one. Not fair. https://twitter.com/KianSharifi/status/1433038861903532034?s=20

Complete bullshit. You don't have first hand knowledge of this. You are merely repeating what people with an obvious agenda want you to repeat. Where did you get the information that says if you suggest there are potential long term side effects, that you are scientifically and historically illiterate? You believe it. What's your basis? As @ClearedHotand @FLEA have said, this is an mRNA vaccine. No other vaccine you have ever taken was an mRNA vaccine. Why are you using data from those to make uniformed generalizations about this one? They work on the body differently. They are two distinct categories of substances. But what is a vaccine? The CDC, and now dictionaries, are changing the definition of what the word "vaccine" has been for decades, to further confuse and obfuscate what this one is a supposed to do, because it doesn't do what vaccines traditionally have. They're actually changing what words mean to further this BS you've bought into. Today: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm Aug 26, 2021: https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm The mRNA technology was invented by Dr. Robert Malone. Is he scientifically illiterate? If you're trying to be intellectually honest and want to genuinely know the truth, please listen to this podcast with Dr. Malone, evolutionary biologist Dr. Brett Weinstein and Steve Kirsch. I can't embed it here because it was censored from Youtube for challenging the narrative. It's an hour long. The original Dark Horse Podcast is 3.5 hours if you really want to educate yourself. I did it over the course of a few days driving. If you're really short on time, start at 35:30. This substance is ending up in high concentrations in tissues (such as ovaries) and other parts of the body where it is not supposed to be, so yes, there is a potential for long term complications. If you want to argue that fact, just please educate yourself first, and don't accuse people of being illiterate because they have listened to, and found credence in, both sides of the debate instead of just yours. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/censored-dark-horse-podcast-bret-weinstein-robert-malone-inventor-mrna-vaccine-technology/

Well ain't that some shit. https://www.newsweek.com/members-congress-staff-exempt-biden-covid-vaccine-mandate-1627859 Rules for thee...

That's an odd choice of words to highlight in a thread about tyranny while advocating for forced vaccinations.

Hold up, Doctor Abortionology. It is useful. Where did you get those two numbers? Did you make them up? What's all this black and white talk? I was curious as to your arbitrary delineation between "person/not-a-person" and produced this link within 5 seconds: 21 weeks. https://www.ndtv.com/offbeat/worlds-most-premature-baby-who-holds-guinness-world-record-celebrates-first-birthday-2469034 You did seem to indicate you had a deep personal interest in the subject and yet still didn't know the actual fetal viability timeframe. You drew the line, not me. It begs the question: Do you use the same moral calculus that tells you it's okay to terminate a fetus at 23 weeks... to justify telling someone else what you can force them to inject into their body? If so, it must be quite the empowering feeling. I bet it feels good. Neg, I know what I'm doing. I drug you into the abortion debate because I knew you couldn't produce an answer without saying something dumb. And that's okay. We all do it. It's also okay to admit there isn't enough information available to tell someone else what they must be forced do with their body.

No, I can't say that I have ever though about life beginning before conception. But if I were the type of ridiculous person to contemplate such BS to divert attention from my inability to produce an answer to a very direct question, I might speculate it to be in the hundreds of billions, and in dozens of countries around the globe. But anyway, what is your "certain number" and "certain point" you earlier alluded to?

Did I mention that I am in no way against someone getting vaccinated if they think they are at high risk?