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Ok, because I was bored, I went to Google myself. Searched "Engine Failure Cessna 172," clicked "I Feel Lucky," and BOOM: http://www.usau.com/USAU.nsf/Doc/Cessna172...sna_skyhawk.pdf Page 11, #27: "Engine failure procedure: Establish 65 KIAS glide, avoid obstacles, flaps as required. Refer to POH, Section 3,Engine Failure Immediately After Takeoff, and Amplified Procedures." Total search time: 2 minutes.

I was going to post something really funny, but I didn't want to "ruin BaseOps" by being hilarious. Dude...you might want to try GOOGLE or something. Or actually read the POH. Either way, this thread is GOING PLACES!

You're pretty unfamiliar with flying dual, so I'll forgive you. When's the last time you flew a '38? 1985? Lucky bastard... :D There are a LOT of things that I can't do from the backseat of the T-38C (STS)... (Alt gear xtend, backup radios/nav, fuel control, electrical control...the list goes on and on.) EDIT: for the STS [ 10. September 2006, 11:46: Message edited by: Fury220 ]

That's cute.

Thanks for all the O-F-F replies...hilarious. Let me clarify: I'm not afraid of pilots looking at my tapes. That's an excellent thing. We get to learn from each other and own up when we screw up. More of that in this day and age is a good thing. Period dot. I suppose the "keep your mouth shut and fly" is good advice in the face of so many "pilot-lawyers," though. Bozz -- you get the best reply award. Good words, man. FWIW, we run 8mm tape that's backed-up by a 64M digital card. The Tron Card talks with the computer to record flight parameters. It's mostly for Mx download after flights, and I bet it comes in handy (sts) any time the jet is anything other than Code 1. We'll start using it for 2-ship debriefs on a limited basis here at KSPS. It'll be nice to show the studs precisely where they were and what was going on throughout the profile...as long as we don't use it as a crutch. The more I think about it, maybe 8mm tape and Tron Cards is all we have left in the war against SNAPs...but I'm a SNAP myself, so what do I know? 's on me, gents.

So I just finished my T-38C upgrade, and now this FAIP is finally starting to fly with a HUD tape on a daily basis. For the fighter guys out there that fly with tapes: How do you cope with this? It seems like every little thing I say in the jet now is subject to scrutiny...and I'm not sure how I feel about that. Sure, I try to keep my language clean, and I'm not screwing around (sts) and doing stuff I shouldn't in the air (in this or any other aircraft, of course). I'm not concerned about flight discipline issues. However, do the lawyers love to pull tapes any time something nonstandard is observed? I was flying with a LtCol the other day doing some CT stuff, and he asked me "are you sure about our clearance." I said "yeah, I'm sure." His reply: "Well, at least it's on the tapes that I asked you." Me: So...for the guys who are used to this kinda stuff: Any good words to share for a young LT to put to good use? Thanks in advance.

Damn...that's one helluva way to go out. ...but still better than dying in your sleep. Godspeed to the crew.

BTW, just for shits and giggles, I checked out to see if the forum was still blocked at KSPS. It no longer is. Game on.

I thought the only guys who wore flag patches on their flight suits were ROTC cadets and Heavy drivers? I'm confused...it's normal.

GOLD US insignia? HUH? I thought the circle was coming back. I can understand that, but gold =

I agree. Stuff like that is entirely inappropriate. If it happens, it should stay in the Doofer Book. (As in, don't f*cking post it on your website.)

I'm offended and feel discriminated against. Call the IG. ha

I say get the 'rita machine only... and I repeat... ONLY ...if you have already paid-off the JagerMeister machine. . . . Now, if you don't have a Jager machine, then you need to get your f*cking priorities straight.

Holy. F*cking. Shit. That was terrible.

As far as a reasonably priced, useful aviator watch, check out the Casio G-Shock Atomic series. The watches have an auto-hack feature that keeps the watch synched with the US Naval atomic clock, and my watch is ALWAYS correct. Always. They're G-Shock watches, so you can kick the crap outta them, and they have a variety of styles to match just about anyone's tastes. I bought the one I have about 2 years ago for $110, and it's still kicking ass. Some of the features I love: -Dual time (I set mine to GMT) -Time recorder function (press/hold a button, and it records the time/date and saves it in memory. Great for recording takeoff/landing times for future reference.) -Five separate alarms -Stopwatch -Solar powered (I've never needed a charge or a battery change) -Auto illumination feature (when selected, the watch automatically illuminates when you turn your wrist towards your face. This actually can be annoying when you're gettin busy in the dark with your lady friend, though...I leave mine off.) That's about it. I totally love my watch and people ask me about it all the time. Best hundred bucks I've spent in a while.

Cobalt...welcome to the board, but both of your arguments above are invalid.

I couldn't disagree more. If the IP is considering jettisoning his canopy, there's a serious problem. That goes WAY over the line of "just f*cking with someone."

I bet it wasn't a problem circa 1965, but it's a problem now. Most T-38s like to let the cabin climb at idle...I had one go from 8k' to 16k' just yesterday as the stud went idle to initiate a rejoin. The depressurization isn't as bad, but repressurizing as the throttles are brought back up can be a little uncomfortable. It's still a lot of fun, though.

I don't know if the T-38C has a recorder, but this was an IFF AT-38 ride. This is making the rounds through the AF mail (4MB file - I bet the comm nazis love it) and I've received it from three different people in the last week. I assumed it was recent and the 49FS (tag at the bottom) is currently at Moody - has been for over five years. I'm surprised it's that old.

BTW, Sorry Bender.

Yes. In the 38, just after takeoff and at mil power, you have to select full hot for a few seconds to blow water out of the system. It usually just takes a couple seconds, and then you turn the temp back down...no big deal. A couple IPs were flying CT a while back when they had the right AC bus fail while they were blowing out the system. The A/C and heat in the 38 is powered off the right AC bus, and, with such an electrical failure, the A/C system just stays in whatever setting it was in when the bus failed. This is usually ok, as 99% of the time, you have the A/C on full cold. These IPs, however, were not so lucky...they had the heat all the way up and stuck there on a hot Texas day with no way to change the setting. You have only a couple choices: Punch a hole in the canopy or just jettison the damn thing. These IPs punched a hole in the RCP canopy and landed. Word is, the temp was so hot that their masks/hoses (sts) were getting unusually soft...as if the rubber was beginning to melt. I'm sure that story is only 10% true (as it's been passed around more often than Bender's mom), but you get the idea. Full hot sucks in the Talon.

I too have treaded the burnout line just a bit. If I actually got to fly more (that's "fly," not "take notes while someone else flies"), I'd feel a little better. The days I get to actually DO SOMETHING in the jet make me happy. Tomorrow, I fly with a dude who's on his 3rd attempt to pass a formation pre-solo checkout. If he passes, we'll go to the area solo v solo (I'll be T-3 support). Now THAT will be exciting...trying to stay alive, that is... I'm sure it gets better. I mean...I'll go the merge SOMEDAY in the future. Sigh... Nice thread, Vetter. I'll see you at FAIPAPALOOZA '06.

True. The sheet actually says "Fighter/FAIP Qual? (Y/N)"

The Swamp. I have never had a bad time there...always a great story for the next day. But be careful...it's kinda a younger crowd...

Well, you said I was a SUPERSTAR [ 09. March 2006, 23:04: Message edited by: Fury220 ]