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Discipline as well as Customs and Courtesies are important. Yes. Of course they are. But so is tradition. Something were severely lacking in as of late (were we ever not?). It is tradition that Lt's don't salute each other, atleast on the flying side of the house. If an Airman asks me why I didn't salute my classmate I'll explain that it is tradition for 2LTs to not salute 1LTs, the exception being if that 1LT is in a leadership position over the 2LT (FAIPs or my ASBC FLT/CC for example). Now if a 1LT tells me he/she wants me to salute them then of course I will. They outrank me and if they don't want to abide the tradition then thats their business and my job to do as they say. But I have yet to find that 1LT.

You sound like you need a beer...are you the guy who yelled at me for wearing sandals around the Deid? Lts don't salute each other because they're both Commissioned officers separated by only a few years. I think it's lost on the majority of the AF that their job is to support flying because they're too busy focusing on reflective belts and saluting regulations, push the mission, relax, and try to make life a little more enjoyable for the rest of us.

you make valid points and are correct that we're speaking on this topic from different perspectives. here's my perspective...when i was in UPT half of us students were 1Lts and half of us were 2lts. i'm not gonna be saluting my 1LT classmate buddy every time i walk by him outside. and I think you'll find that is a common practice in the pilot UPT world. probably hard to understand for outsiders looking in but makes perfect sense to me.

Clearly a worthwhile program when such controversial issues like Lts saluting each other are debated with such passion. God only knows what type of hooligan officer I would be if I didn't salute an O2 as an O1. Shit, if I don't salute a 1LT as a 2LT then how can I be trusted to fly in combat?

Rest in Peace, dear friend. I will always remember the many missions we flew together after your return from Hanoi. What a fine person you were. And all the great "packed lunches" your sweet "Sal" made for us to share in the cockpit. Sir, you taught me so much about life and family and priorities; I could never have repaid you. If ever there was a Colonel who led by example, it was you. It's been almost 33 years since we shared a cockpit, and still I miss you! After takeoff checklist complete.

Exactly. Why even deal with these credit card companies when you can just "borrow" from yourself out of your own savings if you just absolutely need something right now that you do not have time to save for?

i did a ton of golfing during ASBC...really enjoyed maxwell's two courses and driving range isn't it a DG program now? if that's true that is retarded didn't learn a damn thing there the whole time....actually check that...the one speaker i'm glad i heard was some crusty vietnam f-4 pilot who was a POW. that dude was legit. the rest of the time we spend learning about "leadership styles" and all the standard CBt BS. the cherry on top was traveling to the NCO academy and having a discussion about saluting. they all swear that a 2LT should salute a 1LT every time no exceptions. pretty funny stuff. the game on the flickerball fields was fun to play...but i had people in my group that didn't care about winning. "oh it's not all about winning LT it's about the lessons we are learning!" BS man what's the point if you're not trying to win? one dude called me a pu**y cause i nailed him (sts) with a fastball right to the face. swore i thought he was going to start crying and then his wife in the stands started yelling at me with all sorts of profanity. it was nuts and i loved the calamity.

Yes, your shit is graded. Yes, you get racked and stacked.

The Senior NCO Academy It's correct customs and courtesies to do so.

Did anyone say you're a shitty aviator because you think it's lame for a 2Lt to salute a 1Lt? No, it's just basic customs and courtesies. What kind of topics do you think are discussed in PME (O and E flavor)? I personally think it's lame that I have to salute student pilots and I'm an FTU instructor. I make more in flight pay than they do, I have WAY more hours of flying and years of flying, have more Air Medals and Combat time than they'll ever see in their career, I've been in the AF much longer than they have, etc. But....it's basic customs and courtesies and I do it because it's required and that's just how the hierarchy of how the military is set up. I think what's also lost with you is the majority of the AF doesn't fly, they are in Security Forces, Maintenance, Logistics, etc. When I was in a MXS years ago out of 500 people, we had 5 Officers. A 2Lt/Flight Commander was a big deal and in charge of a lot of people. So seeing a 2Lt walk by a 1Lt without saluting them, seen by plenty of Enlisted personnel, is a big deal. How can you yell at a SSgt for not saluting you if you in turn think it's lamesauce to salute a 1Lt? Practice what you preach.