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My whole plan was to come home, enroll at ASU, and sign up for ROTC. So I visited with the detachment commander and was all set to sign up for ROTC. A few days before enrollment, I got a call from a mentor/friend who was a young United FO. He asked me if I still wanted to be a pilot and told me about a friend of his that was flying F-16s with "the Guard". "The Guard? Never heard of it. I'm sure they would have told me about it at the Academy if it was legit." "Just call my friend." I did, and enlisted a few days later. Learned a few rules that semester. Rule 1: Timing is everything Rule 2: Better lucky than good

I was a little bummed when I left the Zoo after only 4 short months... That is, until my 1st day on campus at Arizona State.

Liquid, What about WSV where Taliban are vaporized into hair, teeth, and eyeballs by the dozens in vivid detail - do you find those images offensive too? You are astonishingly disconnected from the mindset of the fighting man. The mentality you have displayed here is better suited to managing a Staples than Generalship of a force that holds as its motto "Fly-Fight-Win". You can have a force of warriors, or you can have a force of monks, but General, I'm sorry, you simply cannot have your cake and eat it too.

My good friend who is a small business owner and is on an individual insurance plan just got his cancellation notice. His choices under Obamacare: pay double premiums for lesser coverage he does not want or need or pay a tax under threat of government force. Despite claims to the contrary from the law's proponents, he recognizes this for what it is: an over-reaching, government-mandated redistribution of wealth from the middle class, hard-working, job creating people in this country to the ill and poor. The American people may swallow socialism in small, edible bites, but not in double premiums.

Apparently you've never heard "Balls of O'Leary" sung in 3-part harmony. That shit will bring a tear to your eye.

When 82 year old Robin Olds lead us in the singing of "Balls of O'Leary" at the Sheppard O-Club in 2004 with a room full of 200 pilots (men and women) it was the most beautiful thing I had ever heard. It was right then and there that I understood why the "unprofessional, sexist, and innapropraite traditions" that you know nothing of were so important. You want to convince me that your perspective, the "senior leader" perspective, is better than Robin's. You have failed to do so.

Politicians select risk averse military leaders during times of relative calm. I don't expect anything to change until the next no-shit shooting match. A lot of what is wrong in the military will change in a matter of months if not weeks at the beginning of said conflict; unfortunately the price for change in American lives will be high.

Wow dude, pretty dark picture you paint. Maybe you should check out a different church? The people I sit in the pews with are overwhelmingly kind, humble, well-adjusted folks.

I'm done too. I find the other side's arguments just as baffling and irrational as you apparently find mine. At the end of the day, the gay rights movement just won a big victory. If you support gay marriage, go ahead and celebrate. All of us can agree on one thing - it feels good when your team wins.

I hope that you're not using animal behavior as a justification for human behavior. Or maybe you think human cannibalism and feces eating are normal human behaviors as well.

Well said. The unfortunate part is that the majority (53%) now accepts homosexuality as moral behavior. Those of us that believe it is wrong are now in the minority, so we will have to accept the will of the majority when it comes to legislation and public policy. That is until we figure out that moral relativism is a fraud and drop the rainbow moral paint pallet in favor of a little more black and white. It probably won't happen in our life times, but it will come back. It always does.

I figured someone would grab for the first part of the quote without giving any recognition to the latter two reasons. Here is the real reason it was removed: "The young turks were all psychiatrists, all members of the APA and all liberal-minded easterners who had decided to reform the American Psychiatric Association from the inside. Specifically they had decided to replace all the grey-haired conservatives who ran the organization with a new breed of psychiatrist; more sensitive to the social issues of the day with liberal opinions on Kent State, Vietnam, feminism. They figured that once they got this new breed into office they could fundamentally transform American psychiatry. And one of the things this group was keen to transform was American psychiatry’s approach to homosexuality." http://www.mindofmodernity.com/not-sick-the-1973-removal-of-homosexuality-from-the-dsm C'mon dude, do you really think that science exists in a vacuum? You don't think that statistics and "empirical studies" can be used to support either side of an argument? It was political pressure and gay activism, plain and simple that "normalized" homosexual behavior in the minds of many Americans. Is the comparison idiotic? They are both abnormal, unnatural sexual behaviors that have the same prevalence in the US population. We agree that pedophilia is illegal because it victimizes a child. I'm not contending that homosexuality should be illegal between consensual adults. But it is not without cost. That is why I don't believe we should sanction and encourage it. The victim here is one of the basic units of society, the family. The redefinition of "family" and "marriage" to be inclusive of homosexual behavior will have long-run societal costs associated with it. You won't agree, and thats fine. I'm OK with that because I know that history repeats itself, and eventually we will return to some sanity and realize that we don't have to sanction every unnatural behavior preference, even while still being an inclusive society.

From http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_mental_health.html: "In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders(DSM)."

You said homosexuality was natural because it was "part of the human condition". So you must also believe that pedophilia is natural as well, since it also occurs at roughly the same prevalence in the US population. Correct?

So pedophilia and homosexuality are natural human behaviors because they are part of the "human condition". Copy. Why is one listed as a psychiatric disorder according to DSM-IV-TR and the other is not?

Why do you have a problem with the comparison? They are both natural behaviors because they occur in the human condition, right? Here, look, you said so yourself:

So is pedophilia, at roughly the same rate. Nor is pedophilia.

Apparently it's as normal as pedophilia as well - about 4% of the US population: http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,232584,00.html About as many times as I've had a beer with pedophiles to "talk about it". That's the problem with moral relativism; you never can quite be sure if something is right or wrong so you've always got to "talk to someone" to figure it out.

Standing up for what you believe is right and not sanctioning unnatural behavior is not bigotry. It's called standing for your principles. Nor am I ignorant on the issue. You had what sounds like was a very emotional experience with a gay dude. That's very sweet. Does that mean you had to accept his sexuality as normal behavior?

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I agree. It is as natural as animals eating their feces and each other. We are on the same page.

No, WAG said many animals engage in eating their own species, not feces. Animals do both and a bunch of other weird shit that humans wouldn't/shouldn't do. I do find it entertaining to see animal behavior used by the gay lobby to justify the morality of homosexuality when on the other hand the same people would probably argue all day that humans are the result of thousands of years of animal evolution of the monkey-fish-frog. Soooooo along the way we dropped eating our own shit and each other, but we kept homosexuality. Copy. Has anyone seen my cherry picker?

Welcome to the fight: http://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19805-scotus-scraps-doma/ http://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/index.php?/topic/19804-flaming-guys-in-uniform/

A little presumptuous, don't you think? Never once did I say I supported slavery, rape, segregation, or the KKK. Try again.