If Tuesday is true, the Wings should get the lists tomorrow right? The old Wing Exec said he thought it was typically the Friday before Public Release.

 

 

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We find it's always better to fire people on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chances of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.

 

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19 hours ago, Duck said:

If Tuesday is true, the Wings should get the lists tomorrow right? The old Wing Exec said he thought it was typically the Friday before Public Release.


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If the Public Release is "Tuesday", doesn't leadership typically notify the members early for that surprise effect. If not, people would just find out by hitting up MyPers for the list when it's released to the general public. 

Edited July 7, 20178 yr by tkc10chief

If the Public Release is "Tuesday", doesn't leadership typically notify the members early for that surprise effect. If not, people would just find out by hitting up MyPers for the list when it's released to the general public. 

Yeah. Our wing does the day before public release. Some other wings will notify the Friday before.


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Most SRs have the list 7-10 days before the public release. It takes time to make (or up) the non-select notifications.

Most SRs have the list 7-10 days before the public release. It takes time to make (or up) the non-select notifications.

So does that mean Tuesday July 11 isn't happening? AFPC has been lost comm since 30 June.


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So does that mean Tuesday July 11 isn't happening? AFPC has been lost comm since 30 June.


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Are you surprised? I'm not. Not like this is a prime group to have a positive influence on as we are closing in on our 10 year commitments. Might be a good idea to at least show us they can make SOMETHING happen on time.


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Both the bomber and a couple MAF functional are saying this week, so we will see.


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So does that mean Tuesday July 11 isn't happening? AFPC has been lost comm since 30 June.


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No, I was just commenting that there are lots of people who already have the list.

This board will be the final litmus test for on the fence late Captain/junior majors. Do they  value us enough to try to stop this pilot shortage or are we beyond V1 on this disaster..

Edited July 8, 20178 yr by dream big

Promotion opportunity for O-4 has always been nearly a given. Are you talking about IDE select status?

People at AFPC certainly have the list.   I'd guess the list will be available on AFProms on the 11th and release date will be around the 24 or 25 July.  

 

With that, some CCs will tel their folks by Friday the 21st.  Others will wait up til the 25th.    It is what it is 

no one at base or wing level has the list yet

1 hour ago, Champ Kind said:

Promotion opportunity for O-4 has always been nearly a given. Are you talking about IDE select status?

It will be interesting to see the AFSC's that make up the list of IDE selects this board. 

2 hours ago, tkc10chief said:

It will be interesting to see the AFSC's that make up the list of IDE selects this board. 

I don't expect much change.  The AF thinks that nonners need professional development and vectors toward a "fast track", too.  

3 hours ago, tkc10chief said:

It will be interesting to see the AFSC's that make up the list of IDE selects this board. 

No more schools selects on O-4 boards, everyone competes separately. Getting that approved is  what's taking so long for release.

No more schools selects on O-4 boards, everyone competes separately. Getting that approved is  what's taking so long for release.

Confirm for the '08 guys? Not what I've heard. My understanding it was the next board ('09 YG).

Disclaimer: no real vested interest as it isn't my YG.

16 minutes ago, Champ Kind said:

 

Confirm for the '08 guys? Not what I've heard. My understanding it was the next board ('09 YG).

Disclaimer: no real vested interest as it isn't my YG.

 

Ya, the board had school selects bit that's all being stripped and everyone is competing separately again.

1 hour ago, LookieRookie said:

Ya, the board had school selects bit that's all being stripped and everyone is competing separately again.

So the candidate/select ratio would change for next years 3849s?  Seems like this group is gonna be at a disadvantage for their first and second looks until all the prior selects are filtered out.   Why move the goal posts in the middle of the process?  Hope people are thinking about this shit and it's not a shoot first aim later.

About time they stop anointing people as captains, but why have there been no comms about this if the rumor is true?

9 minutes ago, VFR800 said:

So the candidate/select ratio would change for next years 3849s?  Seems like this group is gonna be at a disadvantage for their first and second looks until all the prior selects are filtered out.   Why move the goal posts in the middle of the process?  Hope people are thinking about this shit and it's not a shoot first aim later.

About time they stop anointing people as captains, but why have there been no comms about this if the rumor is true?

I wonder what this means for IDE by correspondence. 

4 minutes ago, tkc10chief said:

I wonder what this means for IDE by correspondence. 

I bet you're you're gonna have to do it in correspondence before you can go in residence....didn't they fix this already? Lol

45 minutes ago, VFR800 said:

So the candidate/select ratio would change for next years 3849s?  Seems like this group is gonna be at a disadvantage for their first and second looks until all the prior selects are filtered out.   Why move the goal posts in the middle of the process?  Hope people are thinking about this shit and it's not a shoot first aim later.

About time they stop anointing people as lieutenants, but why have there been no comms about this if the rumor is true?

FIFY, it would be a good step, but agreed transparency needs an overhaul.

 

Does the OPBs for the O5 PRF state how a person completed IDE?

Or does it just states complete similar to how SOS does not state correspondence or in residence?

Edited July 9, 20178 yr by Guest

FIFY, it would be a good step, but agreed transparency needs an overhaul.
 
Does the OPBs for the O5 PRF state how a person completed IDE?
Or does it just states complete similar to how SOS does not state correspondence or in residence?

It just says "complete." But since you get a TR from it and it shows as a year in your duty history on the OPB it is moot.

Is it correct to assume that the ROPMA board that convened from 24-28 Apr 17 would release its results on the same day as the AD boards? Last year's ROPMA board met with very similar dates and released 6 Jul 16. The dates in vPC for SAF and SECDEF approval are still blank so not sure what's going on...

BL: anyone heard any specific gouge for that board on the ARC side?

Ya, the board had school selects bit that's all being stripped and everyone is competing separately again.

Source?

If this is true, it is a major change to the "rules of the game". Worse, the fact that it occurred in the middle of a promotion cycle indicates a lack of transparency with senior raters--I know, shocker. Promotion stratifications are awarded with likelihood of IDE selection in mind based on strength of record. I'm not saying that the #1-3 guys out of the wing wouldn't have had that strat on their PRF had this been the policy going in, but it absolutely would have affected the conversation that occurred in the Nov-Jan timeframe when these PRFs were being written.

Senior raters have been read in for a while.

Senior raters have been read in for a while.

Maybe on the possibility of the change, but I'm fairly confident not read in that it would happen this board, and particularly not in the middle of the cycle.