FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[32off]

Completely echo chizz's questions. I would consider pulling my vsP app and submitting just for vs. I am so tired of this garbage known as afpc. Maybe the heart bleed virus got to their antiquated information systems. I wonder if the members of afpc slap a quote such as "conduct personnel matters like a champ today" when they walk in the doorway to that awful place.

[RescueRandy]

No. I applied for VSP and am waiting as well.

[chizz]

No. I applied for VSP and am waiting as well.

got it, your initial denial was for the ADSCs that currently werent waived, then you applied again once they were.

Buck, sent you a PM

[RescueRandy]

Actually, my initial denial was just because there was a conflict between what my portion of that app said and what my Wing/CC put. I don't think it even got looked at for ADSCs and that stuff. Denied purely for the clerical error.

Edited May 14, 2014 by Hella-Copters

[lossofclocklossofdata]

How do they expect us to separate by 30 Sep with ~90 days or less notice? AFPC needs to get this shit done and notifications sent yesterday. This delay is unacceptable.

30 September I could probably swing. The 1 Aug date I put on my app is going to be difficult with terminal and PTDY. Speaking of family concerns, baby due Sep. Should be interesting. What I expect to see on my denial email:"We regret to inform you that your VSP application was denied because you selected a date too early to allow for you to take terminal leave prior to separation. You should have known better. Please reapply in round two with a date that makes sense you moron."

[tunes]

more like it will be "denied because your year group/afsc are no longer eligible...good luck in the RIF"

[PlanePhlyer]

Looks like RIF board notifications are going out. I'm an 06'11B and my CC told me today that I'm eligible for RRF board and I need to have paperwork in by 28 May. Anybody else get word today?

[tunes]

Looks like RIF board notifications are going out. I'm an 06'11B and my CC told me today that I'm eligible for RRF board and I need to have paperwork in by 28 May. Anybody else get word today?

we got CC notification last week.

[MooseAg03]

Nothing here yet... Doesn't the FY15 PSDM say the pre-selection brief should have been sent out today to those eligible? Also, I believe we are a few days behind on the weekly Pulse on Force Management. Maybe that means they are too busy processing our VSP applications, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[ReferenceGround]

You can take this for what it worth. My Sq/CC said today that he emailed the head of separations at AFPC last week inquiring about VSP notifications. What he was told, via email, was that they were taking the rest of last week to clear the queue whatever that means. He also said they stated that VSP notifications would start rolling out at the beginning of this week.

Seeing as how it was Wednesday he fired off another email today to get an update because in his words “Wednesday is not the beginning of the week”. He said he had received a reply stating that they had gotten through the queue and that VSP approvals would start being sent out tomorrow and they would continue through this weekend. Disapprovals would start being sent out at the beginning of next week.

Take it with a grain of salt, but my CC is a pretty straight shooter and I doubt he would potentially put this out there if he thought he was being fed a line of BS.

[MooseAg03]

You can take this for what it worth. My Sq/CC said today that he emailed the head of separations at AFPC last week inquiring about VSP notifications. What he was told, via email, was that they were taking the rest of last week to clear the queue whatever that means. He also said they stated that VSP notifications would start rolling out at the beginning of this week.

Seeing as how it was Wednesday he fired off another email today to get an update because in his words “Wednesday is not the beginning of the week”. He said he had received a reply stating that they had gotten through the queue and that VSP approvals would start being sent out tomorrow and they would continue through this weekend. Disapprovals would start being sent out at the beginning of next week.

Take it with a grain of salt, but my CC is a pretty straight shooter and I doubt he would potentially put this out there if he thought he was being fed a line of BS.

Let's hope what he's hearing is correct and some of us will receive the good news over the next few days. I can't take too many more days of anticipation and frustration of not hearing anything.

[Sierra Hotel]

VSP approvals would start being sent out tomorrow and they would continue through this weekend. Disapprovals would start being sent out at the beginning of next week.

Take it with a grain of salt, but my CC is a pretty straight shooter and I doubt he would potentially put this out there if he thought he was being fed a line of BS.

As much as I want this to be true, I have a very difficult time believing that AFPC will be working over the weekend. If that were the case, we would have seen answers a long time ago...

[chizz]

this is more stressful than flying in combat with a brand new crew

[LookieRookie]

Good luck today all.

[Mish_Hacker]

You can take this for what it worth. My Sq/CC said today that he emailed the head of separations at AFPC last week inquiring about VSP notifications. What he was told, via email, was that they were taking the rest of last week to clear the queue whatever that means. He also said they stated that VSP notifications would start rolling out at the beginning of this week.

Seeing as how it was Wednesday he fired off another email today to get an update because in his words “Wednesday is not the beginning of the week”. He said he had received a reply stating that they had gotten through the queue and that VSP approvals would start being sent out tomorrow and they would continue through this weekend. Disapprovals would start being sent out at the beginning of next week.

Take it with a grain of salt, but my CC is a pretty straight shooter and I doubt he would potentially put this out there if he thought he was being fed a line of BS.

So, Thursday thru the weekend, minus the Fri-Sat "down for maintenance time"

[Fozzy Bear]

Ops has zero sway over support in this Air Force. Why even lie? Why do they pick up the phone or respond to emails? Clearly they could just go golfing with no repercussions. If I knew they were actually drunk on a par 5, I would curiously feel better about it all.

Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

Edited May 15, 2014 by Fozzy Bear

[32off]

No offense meant to reference ground, but I think it would serve all of us well if we stopped putting stock in what sq/cc's are hearing. Mind you that wing commanders have no power in this buffoonery. My buddy's sq/cc told him that 14 May was the day we would get results and that day has come and gone. So much disappointment.

[tunes]

You can take this for what it worth. My Sq/CC said today that he emailed the head of separations at AFPC last week inquiring about VSP notifications. What he was told, via email, was that they were taking the rest of last week to clear the queue whatever that means. He also said they stated that VSP notifications would start rolling out at the beginning of this week.

Seeing as how it was Wednesday he fired off another email today to get an update because in his words “Wednesday is not the beginning of the week”. He said he had received a reply stating that they had gotten through the queue and that VSP approvals would start being sent out tomorrow and they would continue through this weekend. Disapprovals would start being sent out at the beginning of next week.

Take it with a grain of salt, but my CC is a pretty straight shooter and I doubt he would potentially put this out there if he thought he was being fed a line of BS.

Here's hoping we start getting news today!

As much as I want this to be true, I have a very difficult time believing that AFPC will be working over the weekend. If that were the case, we would have seen answers a long time ago...

I can believe it. A guy in my sq got a call from the PC office this past Saturday morning telling him that his PC was approved

Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

No offense meant to reference ground, but I think it would serve all of us well if we stopped putting stock in what sq/cc's are hearing. Mind you that wing commanders have no power in this buffoonery. My buddy's sq/cc told him that 14 May was the day we would get results and that day has come and gone. So much disappointment.

Yeah our og pushed out an email last week saying the 12

Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!

[lossofclocklossofdata]

more like it will be "denied because your year group/afsc are no longer eligible...good luck in the RIF"

05 11M aren't vulnerable for RIF.

[chizz]

Sorry if this has been posted, just playing catch up from 23 days on leave and finally able to get on myPers.

So I click on the new FY15 LAF RIF matrix and it pulls up the FY14 one. How can I see if my yr group is over for the FY15 programs and when do they start? Thanks for the help

I click on the link in note 2 under attachment 1 but no worky :(

Edited May 15, 2014 by chizz

[Lumbergh]

Chizz,

If you look closely at the numbers in the matrix, there are some changes to both the "overage" and "eligible columns". You are correct though, the title still says "FY14". I didn't notice that before because my eyes went directly to the numbers. Good catch. Would you expect anything less from AFPC? Why proofread anything when you can just release a revised PSDM? PM me if you want to compare this last matrix from the original one released in Jan. I still have it.

[chizz]

Thanks. So you are telling me I applied for VSP, got denied because they already "fixed their manning issue and approved the max they are going to" but as soon as FY15 hits, same yr group and same Afsc is magically going to be in an overage? That just doesn't compute.

That's not addressed to you but to afpc.

Edited May 15, 2014 by chizz

[32off]

Top tier work at afpc, huh chizz? Btw, I'm sure everyone has read the SECAFs email? "Make every dollar count: all in, all the time." Huh?? What a propoganda campaign. When is she going to realize how much money has been wasted for this entire Force Management debacle? On the bright side, only 28 days until the World Cup!!

[chizz]

I have a very easy solution to making every dollar count, stop giving me a paycheck! I found the solution for you, you are welcome

On a side note, I promised info from the horses mouth, here it is on PTDY

PTDY NOW AUTHORIZED FOR VOLUNTARY SEPARATEES IMPACTED BY FORCE MANAGEMENT.
DoDI 1327.06 has been updated to reflect the entitlement of Permissive TDY
for ALL separatees impacted by force management programs (use atch updated
matrix). "An authorized permissive absence may be taken in conjunction with
transition by members who are retiring, being separated involuntarily under
honorable conditions, or voluntarily separating through a Military
Department force reduction or force shaping program." The losing commander
may approve up to 20 days for members based in the Continental United States
(CONUS), up to 30 days for members stationed outside the Continental United
States (OCONUS), and up to 30 days for CONUS-based members who have overseas
residences. Use of benefit is subject to mission requirements and unit
commander approval. May be taken all at one time or in increments, except in
cases of disability retirement or separation in which time constraints
dictate that it is taken all at once or not at all. Please begin briefing
this new entitlement immediately during preseparation counseling using the
updated matrix (attached).

PALACE CHASE SEPARATEES & TAP MEDICAL BENEFITS. There have been a number of
questions regarding Palace Chase separatees and 180 day Medical Benefits
(TA-180). To clarify, Palace Chase Separatees do not receive an SPD Code
that conveys TAP Benefits upon separation from Active Duty; however, once
gained by a Reserve component (Reserve/Guard), they become eligible for the
TA-180. This is temporary coverage until the member's TriCare Select
Reserve benefits activate. Again, Palace Chase separatees (SPD codes MGQ,
KGQ, and FGQ) are NOT authorized any Active Duty TAP benefits to include
TA-180 at the time of separation. It is only upon accession/GAIN to the
Reserve Component that they receive TA-180.

TAP & WOUNDED WARRIOR EXEMPTIONS. Clarification on Wounded Warrior
exemptions from the Department of Labor Employment Workshop. There seems to
be confusion on what qualifies a Wounded Warrior as exempt from the DOLEW.
The only allowable circumstance for Wounded Warrior's being exempt from the
DOLEW is if they are currently enrolled in the Education and Employment
Initiative (E2I) or a similar transition program designed to secure
employment, higher education, or career technical training post-separation.
We want to reiterate that having the status of a Wounded Warrior does NOT
automatically grant exemption status - it must be verified that the member
is enrolled in some sort of transition program to utilize the exemption.


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