Guest John Cocktosten Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Interesting article for the layman... The Last Ace Gotta love Rico's MiG-29 HUD frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Good article, good author. Bowden gets it right in my opinion - "Killing Pable," "Black Hawk Down," et al. Awesome photo. Should be a briefing room standard viz-aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Davies Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 (edited) I really liked Bowden's book, Killing Pablo. Rodriguez's assertion that the AIM-7 photo came from the MiG-29 he downed is mistaken – it is actually from a US drone. In addition, he might not know that the MiG-29 VTRS doesn’t record through the combining glass; it records down into the actual combining lens: MiG-29 VTRS doesn’t show what was out of the window, only the raster and stroke symbology that was in the HUD. Edited February 13, 2009 by Steve Davies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoo Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Rodriguez's assertion that the AIM-7 photo came from the MiG-29 he downed is mistaken – it is actually from a US drone. In addition, he might not know that the MiG-29 VTRS doesn’t record through the combining glass; it records down into the actual combining lens: MiG-29 VTRS doesn’t show what was out of the window, only the raster and stroke symbology that was in the HUD. Thanks Buzz Killington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Yeah, he's the same guy who argues AC-130s weren't needed nor would they have made a difference during "blackhawk down". Give me a break, Bowden wins the "Epic Fail" award for that little nugget of wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yeah, he's the same guy who argues AC-130s weren't needed nor would they have made a difference during "blackhawk down". Give me a break, Bowden wins the "Epic Fail" award for that little nugget of wisdom. Been a long time since I read the book. Did Bowden say that or quote someone else saying it? Not arguing, seeking clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoo Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Been a long time since I read the book. Did Bowden say that or quote someone else saying it? Not arguing, seeking clarification. I believe Bowden was speaking to the critics of Les Aspin (SECDEF at the time), who pulled the AC's out a couple weeks before the whole thing went down. Bowden was trying to say that it wouldn't have mattered much in the end. For the record, I totally disagree. But what do I know - I only flew them, Bowden is the CAS expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Davies Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Thanks Buzz Killington. You're welcome, Peter Griffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickhistory Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 I believe Bowden was speaking to the critics of Les Aspin (SECDEF at the time), who pulled the AC's out a couple weeks before the whole thing went down. Bowden was trying to say that it wouldn't have mattered much in the end. For the record, I totally disagree. But what do I know - I only flew them, Bowden is the CAS expert. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SATCOM Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Yeah, he's the same guy who argues AC-130s weren't needed nor would they have made a difference during "blackhawk down". Give me a break, Bowden wins the "Epic Fail" award for that little nugget of wisdom. Having actually "used" AC-130's in an urban environment, I can vouch for their efficacy. Les Aspin was a tool, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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