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How lenient is the Libyan Mercenary Air Force on vision waivers?
Asking for a friend.
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They arent RV’s but beats the hell out of bending wrenches for a living.
Firm believer all it takes is a good mission/purpose and all pilots would get back into GA (usually involves convincing a student/pilot to plan a X/C to a casino and they are hooked)
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10 hours ago, DifferentViper said:
Returning to answer my own question. I was denied from going to the flight physical. I appealed with an evaluation from another doctor saying everything was good and it was also denied. It appears this is not something they mess with.
You check out the Navy yet? My brother had a very similar injury (knee cartilage issues, not sure if exactly the same though) and with a little grunt work was approved with them. Other option is ETP if you can get the support. Keep with it brotha, it'll be worth it.
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7 hours ago, bronxbomber252 said:
For initial physicals there is also a minimum uncorrected requirement (when I joined it was 20/100 or 20/70, can’t remember exactly) that once you have your wings can deteriorate further without disqualifying you.
They no longer use a minimum uncorrected requirement. (Sorry to be that guy and correct you)
https://www.wpafb.af.mil/Portals/60/documents/711/usafsam/USAF-Waiver-Guide-190417.pdf
Page 722 (scroll farther for Refractive Surgery info)
Don't know your case fully and you should discuss it with a USAF doc but it certainly looks like LASIK/PRK (whichever the doc recommends) is a great option for you.
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6 minutes ago, CaptD said:
Jon, which ETP thread are you referring to? Any chance you can send me your ETP stuff so I check it out? What is AFMSA and how can it override an AETC/SG DQ?
And AFMSA is Air Force Medical Support Agency. ETP thread goes over some of the details and I'm not exactly sure what they do (maybe advise the air force on medical stuff?). If you dig around into the waiver authority AFI's when I last looked they are an approving authority and can therefor approve your waiver. Wouldn't call it overriding but you would end up approved so. I'd read up on the thread in detail as there is lots of good info, though some of it is outdated, most probably still stands.
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38 minutes ago, CaptD said:
Got a couple of messages so far so I figured I give more insight. When I went to MFS as a cadet in '13 I scored a 50 on one eye for green on the color vision test (min back then was 75). The next day I had to take a slew of other color vision tests so they can build an argument saying I have a deficiency and "too much of a risk" to be a pilot and was DQ'd. Back in '15 I took a Flight Class III physical because I was competing to go combat, I scored a 65 on the test (min was still 75 back then) and got rejected again. Last year they changed the min score from 75 to 55, so I reapplied for pilot and scored a 60 when I did my FCI last Sept. As I was headed to the airport last Tuesday, MFS called me and said that because I scored a 50 back in '13 that's it disqualifies my passing FCI physical even though I scored above the 55 threshold in '15 and '18. The doc that called me told me since there's 2000 pilot applicants in the same pool they're not going to take the risk on one candidate with a medical issue.
There's no fighting with medical, they're the approval authority and waiver authority. I went down that road when I was a cadet/2dLt. The only option I see is an exception to policy (ETP). Seriously, f*** medical.
Its definitely shitty as hell and I’ve been there and feel your pain. But by the looks of it you have a real decent foot to stand on (You did pass the standards). Go check out the ETP thread and see if applying to AFMSA (medical) for a waiver works for your case. They are the other medical approval authority besides AETC. Gonna take a lot of emails and lots of persistence though, cause people are gonna just want you to give up and quit.
Shoot me a message if you want to pursue the ETP route at the same time and I can pass along all the info I have accumulated.
Also what is your current situation military wise? Active, rotc, guard/reserve, civilian?
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1 hour ago, CaptD said:
As I was headed to the airport on Thursday I was called by the MFS and was told that my TDY was cancelled and that I no longer am allowed to attend. They said since I took the color vision test as a cadet back in '13 and scored below the minimum that they're disqualifying my flight class I physical, even though I scored above the mins in '15 and '18. Looks like my pilot career is killed (again) thanks to medical.
I'm no expert on Color Vision stuff, but if you passed in 2015 and 2018 I'm going to assume you got a fighting chance. If you really want it DO NOT GIVE UP. Where there is a will, there is a way and the people on this forum will do their best to help you achieve it. So since you aren't quitting, what is your next step from here?
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Not sure if you checked it out but the medical forum has some ETP discussion for reference.
I’m in the middle of an ETP in the AF reserve chain and if you do go the ETP route, AETC should not be a signature anywhere in the chain. Message me if you are interested and I can provide a copy of my ETP that I put together for reference.
On trying to get approved medically, you can also apply to AFMSA (air force medical support agency) for a medical waiver. Not sure if ACS can help (cant hurt?) in my case they had already reviewed my case before AETC/SG said no. Have no experience with back related stuff as mine was vision related so @stuckindayton may be the source for info on anything medical.
www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/topic/6866-exception-to-policy-etp-information/?page=4
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1 hour ago, matmacwc said:
What he said, just with more diplomacy.
What do I need to search on reddit to find that thread, holy shit. No fighter pilot would very use that name!
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On 3/14/2019 at 6:51 PM, jonlbs said:
So currently have an ETP in the works, but the waiver-able limits for my condition have changed since my ETP started its routing (still out of limits but only a small amount now). Is there a specific protocol for a rebuttal? My current Flight Surgeon wrote a memo supporting my rebuttal and as of now the plan is to submit it to AFMSA. Or should we go thru AETC again first? And will any of that interfere with the ETP?
From what I know, my ETP case gets reviewed medically (to provide solid medical info to the decision makers) and don't want to step on any toes since the ETP is supposed to be a last resort and now I'm trying medically again.
Just heard back from USAFSAM that they would not recommend the waiver since its out of limits still (even if its way less).
Knew this was coming, but if I’m outside of waiverable limits will AFMSA even bother looking at it or is there a chance they take a look at the whole picture and maybe say ya hes outside the numbers but his actual functionality is pretty good and sign it?
My medical personnel believe the ETP is the best chance now but I’m curious if I should push them anymore on the medical cause I know AFSMA is an authority still.
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So currently have an ETP in the works, but the waiver-able limits for my condition have changed since my ETP started its routing (still out of limits but only a small amount now). Is there a specific protocol for a rebuttal? My current Flight Surgeon wrote a memo supporting my rebuttal and as of now the plan is to submit it to AFMSA. Or should we go thru AETC again first? And will any of that interfere with the ETP?
From what I know, my ETP case gets reviewed medically (to provide solid medical info to the decision makers) and don't want to step on any toes since the ETP is supposed to be a last resort and now I'm trying medically again.
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"Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel. #Gaza #Palestine#Israel,"
Idk. Sounds like a great US rep to me.
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My logic says don’t immediately take the AFOQT till you know you can beef the scores up. No point in taking it again if you are just going to get the same results. Do you have a game plan to get the scores up?
No hurt in applying though, hiring can be a timing thing so you might get in the right unit at the right time and wow them at the interview and voila. Not like a unit is gonna see your scores and put you on the banned forever list, they will probably be impressed when you come back with higher scores, it shows dedication and commitment, and the ability to improve.
Really is no excuse for not applying to every unit at every possible opportunity, except laziness.
Best of luck!
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6 hours ago, Jetpilot said:
Thanks. no luck with that either.
Did you try it in Microsoft Edge?
Only browser that seems to let me access anything related to the portal or email.
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Having had paid back a bonus before, beware that when you receive the bonus it will be taxed. When you pay it back, you pay back the pro rated amount before tax.
Idk how your bonus works in terms of the payment plan, whether its like 15k up front for the first 3 years then 5k a year for the next 3 or 5k a year for 6 years. But if you are going to be in for 2-3 years enlisted take it. Say you got 15k (lets call it 12k after tax) and only did 2 years. Worst case scenario you owe 5k back and that leaves a free 7k for you.
Best case scenario you take the 15k and take the commision right before you get the 5k per year and then you owe nothing. You should be cognizant of what that pay date is though cause if you take the 5k (4k after taxes) then commision the next day you owe 5k back.
But that being said if you are doing 2-3 years I would for sure take the bonus. But be responsible so you have the money to pay back or be ready to have it taken from your paycheck.
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Definitely a U2 crew chief
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PRK and LASIK Information
in Aviation Medicine
Posted · Edited by jonlbs
Slit lamp exam probably then a machine to take a better picture of any opacity's on your cornea if need be.