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On 12/20/2020 at 6:53 PM, buscruncher22 said:
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Long time lurker but got picked up off the street at a ANG fighter unit a few months ago and was curious to see if anyone is in the same situation I'm in- my contacts are just slightly out of FC1 limits (-3.25 both eyes) so it looks like I'll have to get LASIK/PRK. I'm working with my unit's flight doc regarding timeline of surgery + going to MEPS and Wright Pat. Anyone had a similar timeline or experience of getting hired at a unit and then needing eye surgery? Trying to work the 6 month wait time prior to FC1 in since it's projected that I wouldn't even head to OTS until sometime 12-14 months down the road. Thanks!
AFOQT/TBAS: June 2020
Board: Fall 2020
Hired: Fall 2020
MEPS: Scheduled Jan 2021
Enlistment: ???
FC1: ???
FC1 Stamped Approved: ???
OTS: ???
UPT: ???
FTU: ???
Unless your eyes get worse, you more than likely will meet the standard of -3.00 if you are wearing -3.25 contacts. It has to do with the way the measurement is made (using drops to relax the focusing muscles and stopping when you can read 20/20 not when the letters are perfect, i.e. 20/15 or 20/10). Obviously PRK or LASIK is an option if you want to avoid all chances of busting, but you'd probably be OK as is.
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27 minutes ago, CDAWG said:
Makes sense. Do you have personal experience with this? I'm interested in getting this done relatively soon. On active duty I worked with the base Optometrist in conjunction with flight med to get the paperwork routed. I'm assuming my DSG flight surgeon is my focal point. I shot him an email we shall see if he gets back to me prior to our next drill.
If you are Guard getting treated by a civilian provider, the process should be pretty easy. You need to have the following documents completed: 1) Commander's authorization, 2) Co-management agreement signed by either your ANG optometry or flight doc, 3) The application itself which needs to be signed on the front page by your flight doc and on the second page by your treating surgeon and 4) A managed care agreement signed by your treating surgeon essentially stating that they will take responsibility for your follow-up care. I'm no longer working at Wright-Patterson so I don't have all the links and forms at my fingertips, but I can certainly get you a number(s) to call and contact those people who do. There is a website that is supposed to walk you through the process, but I personally always like to talk to humans vice computers.
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28 minutes ago, ryleypav said:
Kind of what I figured. My tech didn't really say anything I guess. The other lady that was handling the other half of the exams said 3-4 weeks. But, it would still be neat if she could respond to my email anyway.
The techs really won't be able to give you a good timeline other than a WAG. Once the physical leaves Wright-Patt and goes to AETC, everyone at Wright-Patt pretty much loses visibility. Until it gets signed by AETC, it's just pending. There are no interim updates. They certainly can find out if it's been signed, but until then it's a big black hole for everyone.
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7 minutes ago, ryleypav said:
How long did you have to wait to get your FC1 back stamped approved after the exam? I was told 3-4 weeks, but I've not gotten any answer back from my tech after several emails.
When I left several months ago I heard it was more like 4-6 weeks and that AETC was way behind (COVID?) so it could be even longer.
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3 minutes ago, DoublerDoud said:
Sir,
Are you able to give any additional information on this. Have the regs changed at all stating that waivers can be approved for those who are not prior rated? I have tried in the past to get one as I have since passsed the CCT with no luck. Thanks in advance for any information.
I PM'd you.
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8 hours ago, Whitman said:
I got out at ADSC after flying for 12 years and have been out completely for 1.5 years now (not in IRR). I just got hired for a flying position at a ANG unit and have just begun the process with their recruiter. I'm looking for advice on navigating the process smoothly, especially the medical part. Since I have 10% VA Disability for Tinnitus and 10% for knee pain the recruiter asked me to get an independent evaluation by my current doctor. I plan to submit those findings and hopefully will be approved to go to MEPS. I'd appreciate any gotchas specific or general that come to mind with medical and navigating the break in service. Thanks in advance!
If you are hired to fly an airplane that's similar to what you previously flew (i.e. fixed wing to fixed wing, fighter to fighter, heavy to heavy), then you should most likely be considered a Flying Class II (trained pilot), although sometimes the AF waffles on that so there's no guarantees. But, I would expect they would treat you as a trained asset which means that your medical standards are MUCH less stringent than those who have never flown and have to attend UPT. I've seen fellas with some major eye problems get out and then get rehired a few years later with no problems. But, it's the AF and it's always a bit of a roll of the dice.
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On 10/25/2020 at 3:54 PM, 17D_guy said:
Congresswoman Duckworth lighting up that dude claiming to be a veteran is one of my fav government hearing moments.
Dude's life went from bad to worse...
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2 hours ago, WannaBpilot said:
Following up on my own process here and hopefully it will help others. I contacted my Congressperson through their website and was able to eventually connect with a Congressional Liaison who submitted an inquiry on my behalf with the NGB/SG's office. I had to provide my MEPs paperwork and physical exams, clearance letters, and rehab report (this was a letter I wrote about my rehab process as I did all of it myself, and I also detailed by current level of physical activity).
After 6 weeks, we received a response to the Congressional Inquiry that the NGB/SG Senior Branch Provider and Medical Director reviewed my case and determined they would recommend a waiver. I haven't connected yet with my unit on this-our last waiver attempt was 1 year ago and we haven't been in contact since as my recruiter thought there was no point to try a third waiver request (and I agreed based on 2 failed attempts)-but hopefully this will lead to the official waiver approval and next steps, finally.
The big lesson here is to not take no for an answer, even if you have to go at it alone. Also, take care of your knees while you're young...
Congrats. As Mover says "Make them tell you no!"....and then ask again.
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27 minutes ago, Gideon said:
I took it at Wright-Patt.
If you PM me your info I should be able to get you your scores.
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On 10/19/2020 at 2:45 PM, Gideon said:
@stuckindayton Do you know if we can go back and find out results of the CCT? I had my physical before I commissioned and was DQ'd from rated because of one color in one eye was below 55. I am curious how far below 55 I was.
Maybe, where did you take the test?
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18 minutes ago, Fixingjetsandtakingnames said:
Appreciate the feedback, definitely useful information to keep my member going in the process with their spirits up! Would you qualify 50 instead of the 55 a "very small margin" though?
50 versus 55 is a small margin in terms of the CCT, but almost everyone who scores below a 55 with one or both eyes ends up being a moderate color deficient on more in-depth testing. So, personally, I would not really consider it a "small margin", but the AF only cares about the CCT.
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There have been some ETPs and even some waivers granted for people who are below on only one eye by a very small margin, but I can't give you any rhyme or reason who gets them and who doesn't. While they have happened, I think it was the exception, not the rule.
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1 hour ago, CDAWG said:
I was scheduled to get PRK at Keesler AFB in March before COVID came and wrecked those plans. I'm now out of active duty on terminal leave and will be a Traditional Guardsman here in two weeks. I'm interested in getting eye surgery (I'm aware I have to pay for it since I'm no longer AD). What's the process like in the Guard? I'm interested in getting this surgery done prior to going to the FTU. Do I need permission from the CC and the Flight Surgeon?
The process for Guard folks is no different than AD folks. If you are full-time ANG (on orders for more than 6 months) you can still get it for free at an AF facility (I think they are up and running now, but wouldn't swear to it). If you are not full-time, it's on your dime as you said. You may be asking why you still need to go through the formal process if you are going to a civilian provider and paying out of pocket. It's due to DoD policy that requires prior approval before any elective procedure, even if off base. What would be the consequences if you bypassed the process and just went downtown? Probably not much except that the AF would have no obligations to help you get fixed and could separate you if something disasterous happened (which I've never heard of personally).
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12 minutes ago, lph1235 said:
I am about a year out from starting the application process for the ANG/AFRC and am looking to have Lasik done in the near future. After doing some research, I still have a few questions about the paperwork and number of post-op evals required for waiver consideration.
- From Wright-Patt's website in the FC1 instructions page: "All medical documents from the surgery center are required. That would include pre-exam, operative report, and 2 post-op visits (initial post-op refraction must be at least 90 days post-op and second refraction at least 1 month later)." That info is consistent with the info provided in this checklist, which I found in this thread. The info provided by those two sources is contradicted by the info in the Post-Op Appointment Schedule, which lists required post-op evals at the one, three, six, and one year marks, and that is what the waiver guide says as well. Which one of those is right?
- Which forms are required to be submitted for the waiver? I found this checklist in this thread, but I am unsure if it is out of date, and found this form on Wright-Patt's website. Would the latter form even apply to me, or is it just for personnel already in the AF? Regarding that checklist, which lists required reports of pre-op exam, the exam itself, and the post-op exams, are there AF forms for those, or is it just whatever the surgery center provides?
Thanks in advance! Just trying to get on top of everything!
The post-op schedule applies to current military members getting LASIK/PRK. If you are not on military orders, disregard this. Basically, just send your pre-op, op report and any post-op reports to Wright-Patt on the forms your civilian doctor provides and you'll be fine.
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It changed a year or two ago.
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6/12 on the DP test would be a different test than the one used at FC I. I actually don't know any DP test that uses 12.
B is the passing line for FC I now (used to be D). The new standard is MUCH easier.
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OK, thank you.
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Question for the group. When arriving at a new duty station, e.g. UPT, are you required to either quarantine for 14 days or be screened for CV? Is your departing location considered in this decision? Thanks for any info.
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2 hours ago, Square said:
Dumb question on this one--does the color vision test result in a final "overall" score? Or is it each eye, each cone? Just read the waiver guide and the relook memo and didn't see reference there. Thanks.
Each eye, each cone type. So a total of six scores (right eye red, green, blue; left eye red, green, blue). All have to be 55 or above.
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I cleaned out some space.
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1 hour ago, UPTApplicant 102 said:
Anyone know where I can find the latest waiver guide or medical standards directory?
Waiver guide is here. https://www.wpafb.af.mil/Portals/60/documents/711/usafsam/USAF-Waiver-Guide-200513.pdf
I don't have a public URL for the current MSD.
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On 5/25/2020 at 10:37 AM, Payneec said:
My boyfriend was just disqualified for a position. Are you still working at WPAFB
Yes.
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1 minute ago, FLEA said:
Women only came to the forefront because there is a Lt Col on facebook right now trying to collect statistics on women who were denied entry into flight training since 2002 based on height restrictions. Did not know that only 40% of women actually fit into the height profile required, making it extremely narrow for them. But it makes sense if you think about it. Most of the ergonomics for these things were designed prior to women flying and were probably built around male proportions.
Do you know if the height restriction works both ways? Because I believe you could also be denied for being too tall as well.
I haven't heard if they've changed the max height restriction, but there are certainly limits for sitting height and butt to knee (with some wiggle room with waivers). The latter limit being related to lower leg injuries in the event of ejection from certain aircraft.
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1 hour ago, pawnman said:
Because I've seen how baggers at the commissary and workers at Chick-fil-A wear them. Put on a pair at the beginning of your shift, bag everyone stuff, cough into your hands, rub your eyes, scratch the top of your head, bag some more groceries...
It might work if they were changing gloves regularly or using SOME kind of restraint with where they put their hands. As it is, all it does is keep them from washing their hands more often.
Fair enough. My point is that when used properly gloves can be a benefit. It's like a seat belt. Just because you are wearing it doesn't make you immune to injury. You still have to use common sense.
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Meps severely delayed.
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I second this. It's not a job interview so wear something comfortable.