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8 hours ago, Negatory said:
I do wonder how the media is going to spin the fact that the shooter was a white male christian who was raised in a MAGA household and likely taught to shoot by his cop dad. This all comes after multiple false reports that have literally been deleted (see WSJ). Yesterday, many on your all’s side were calling for war. Now, it appears that luckily the civil war may have been postponed due to the shooter not meeting the antifa leftist trans immigrant profile that was originally put out.
I'm not sure what reporting you're looking at, but the shooter apparently was credibly engaged in a homosexual relationship with a same-sex individual who was "transitioning." Seems to me that latent homosexuality and the fact that he wasn't feeling accepted by a social movement that is growing in popularity - or rather rejected by a louder, and increasingly verbal group of right-wing people - is a likely motivating factor for this person taking his feelings and redirecting them outward in an act of extreme violence.
Maybe they weren't in a relationship and the shooter was merely acting out of a perception that his friend needed his honor defended. It doesn't really matter. The fact is that people can have whatever upbringing you want, and can turn out poorly - the opposite is true as well. They can be raised by right-wing priests and turn out blue-haired nymphomaniacs. Or they can be raised by left-wing granola bars, and wind up Jehovah's witnesses. You and everyone else understands this.
The sad part for all of us is that for a long time - a very long time - this country was getting along and moving in a great direction. Black culture was seemingly becoming less violent. Gays were winning (and have won) increased acceptance throughout all but the most backwater parts of our society. A generation of kids grew up playing together and not really caring about skin color or cultural differences, and so on and so on. Then, for whatever reason, that all seemed to change. I'm not sure why, but things were different. Not "I perceived that things were different," but actually different.
Now, we are becoming less "liberal" and far less tolerant. I lament we are becoming less liberal (in the true sense of the word), but I think that becoming far less tolerant is probably good and necessary. I think it is largely due to forces on the Left that demanded ridiculous, insane, and frankly, deranged capitulations. See "men have periods / can become pregnant," "men should be allowed to compete in women's sports," "black people are hunted by cops," "COVID didn't leak from a lab," etc. Those are my priors and I think evidence supports all of them in varying degree.
6 hours ago, Negatory said:If you’re gonna quote historical examples of calls to violence let’s not be disingenuous by slanting it. You know very well these counter examples exist for conservatives calling for violence against the other side or glorifying it exactly the same way. Jan 6 is the easy button here, and you know it, but there are dozens of other examples. Not saying the dems are better, but let’s stop pretending one side is moral.
Jan 6th isn't happening dude. Sorry, it just isn't. It's not the Pearl Harbor or September 11th you wish it was. 25 years from now we're not going to be holding "Remember" ceremonies throughout our society. A few token dems might, but they'll be the only ones. In 69 years, we're not going to mark the "passing of the last survivor of the Jan 6th attack on the Capitol," except for maybe some future talking-head on MSNBC.
What it was in objective reality was a massive gathering of right-wing individuals (that got wildly out of hand), but which was organized in RESPONSE to actual, government-sanctioned anarchy that was ushered in and actively encouraged by prominent left-wing leadership throughout multiple layers of our government.
This includes presidential and vice-presidential candidates. It includes governors. It includes mayors. It includes senators. It includes congressmen and women. With our own eyes, we all saw the chaos begin to unfold starting in the Summer of 2020, and continue through to the election and inauguration of Joe Biden. It was the unstated TACTIC of the Democratic party, implemented in order to undermine Donald Trump. I'm not justifying Jan 6th, but let's also not pretend that it arose randomly and thus points at some underlying reality that the US is a KKK-style right-wing hellscape. That's all in your head dude. It happened because of COVID lock-downs and people getting bored. The dems saw an opportunity to re-focus this boredom into channels that applied pressure on fault lines within their many of their most favored political constituencies. They saw a political opportunity and capitalized on it. A cynical play for sure.
You can see them trying the same playbook again, but it's not having quite the same success this time around. Probably because we're not all locked-down with nothing better to do...
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2 hours ago, Boomer6 said:
I asked what the difference was, specifically. @Lord Ratner somewhat answered, though I disagree that providing information such as someone's home address will lead to a change in public discourse. It will more than likely lead to violence. If you're goal is to reduce ppl freely spouting hate on social media and risk it becoming publicly acceptable speech, maybe the companies allowing this stuff on their platform should be held accountable.
@brabus If nK launches chem/bio weapons at Kunsan/Osan I don't expect us to lose our morals and respond in kind.
If someone is stupid enough to post some disgusting shit with their real name attached, fine, fwd it to their boss. Posting their address, the name of their kids, and where they go to school is not going to shift a window developed by a policy analyst. If someone shows up to your kids school to harass them for being pro-life are you really going to change your views on pro-life? I'd argue most ppl are going to double down on their rhetoric, they're just going to be more discreet about it.
I'll explain it.
It's different because people on the right were calling for people to be doxxed for things that literally every sane person in the world agrees with - i.e. murdering people based on their beliefs is something that should not be tolerated. So yeah, let's dox those people in order to shame them and root out what is a sick and anti-social sect of people who for whatever reason seem to be gaining power in our country.
On the other hand, people on the left were using doxxing as a means to impose a measure of social pressure and control on groups of people they would fear would speak out against their latest social fad / cause: all whites are racists, but Blacks cannot be racist; transgenderism is natural, etc, etc. In other words they're using doxxing to avoid having a conversation about what are controversial topics.
In short, the right is using doxxing to preserve society and social norms. The left is using it to undermine society. See the difference? I will say fairly, that using doxxing to target bystanders (i.e. someone's family) is gross no matter what the circumstances. Sins of the father and all...
And I'm not sure what your opinion is on nuclear weapons, but we wouldn't respond in-kind to NK with a bio or chem attack because we don't have those types of weapons anymore. But if NK used bio / chem in an appreciable way (not a couple shells here or there) that was going to turn the tide of battle in their favor, you better believe we'd pull out the nukes.
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1 hour ago, bfargin said:
Tragic event made even more evil by those celebrating his death. Even “mainstream” media (e.g. cnn, msnbc, etc) seems to defend the Charlotte scumbag and now the Utah scumbag. We need speedy trials with public executions. The Charlotte guy should be executed next week (1 day trial - show video of him murdering) and when they prove who the Utah murderer is, publicly execute him immediately after the trial.
20 to 30 years on death row is not a deterrent.
I'm mostly on board with you. I don't think the death penalty should be public though, as it lowers us and I think would delegitimize our justice system by making a spectacle out of it. That's not necessary. Philosophically I have no issue with the death penalty. I also don't think it needs to be a deterrent to be a just punishment. Holding "deterrence" as a requisite for applying the death penalty is adopting the Left's frame.
The death penalty is about revenge. It's an eye for an eye. It's about extracting the maximum amount of justice on behalf of the person who can no longer exact it for themselves. It hasn't got anything to do with deterring crime IMO. If deterrence is a side effect for those who are so base as to need to be deterred from heinous acts, then fine, but that's a bonus.
Practically, there are many instances where the justice system has fallen short, however. Making it the case that the application of the death penalty is historically fraught.
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51 minutes ago, jrizzell said:
This is a really f’ing depressing. I don’t know how America recovers from the trajectory we’re on. Prayers for his wife and two daughters
Not being flippant or justifying it, but the answer is violence.
Look at history. What do you see?
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1 hour ago, SpeedOfHeat said:
They don't care. If it's derogatory towards the Dear Leader, it gets labeled as "Fake News."
I truly believe there's nothing Trump could do to have his supporters turn their backs on him at this point.
“Mexico will pay for a wall, the national debt will be eliminated within 8 years, the Ukraine-Russia war will be ended before even taking office, energy costs will be lowered 50% within a year, Obamacare will be replaced with 'concepts of a plan.'” etc. etc. etc. All total bullshit.
Meme-coin scams, calls for terminating the constitution, hush-money to porn stars, claims that elections are rigged, "falling in love" with Kim Jong Un, suggesting Canada should be the 51st state and illegals "are eating the pets." More time playing golf than any POTUS. Giant gaudy North Korean-esque portraits of himself draped on buildings around DC. A narcissist beyond measure. Has the mind of a child. An insufferable and obvious idiot literally any time he speaks.
They don't give a shit.
So if you think the Epstein files are going to move the needle, guess again. There is literally nothing he could do that will change their minds. .....Wait, I take that back. There is just one thing:
If Trump turned back to being a democrat. If he endorsed gun control (again) or became pro-choice (again). If he welcomed immigration and open boarders. If he spoke of climate change initiatives, universal healthcare, or free college. And especially if he flip-flopped on the real important issues to MAGA: The political red meat. If he started encouraging pronoun use, or trans males in female sports. If he used trigger warnings and safe spaces. If he talked about reparations, or being ok with kneeling for the National Anthem during football. Holy shit. Then. Then they might turn against him. Maybe.
Because that's the truth at the end of the day. Nothing he says or does will ever matter, so long as he represents the opposition to the left and their lunacy. For all the red hats and Trump flags and watches and NFTs and sneakers, it's not even about him specifically. It's actually about liberals. "Demon-rats," "libtards," "socialists and communists," etc. It’s about the girl with the blue hair and nose ring you can see poking out under her mask, who’s on her way to school in her Prius with a “coexist“ and BLM sticker. Going to teach your kid about how to become a non-binary, pro-Palestine vegan. As long as Trump's seen as the oppositionist to that, then this picture will continue to be the world we live in........
@SpeedOfHeat, to your credit, there is actually quite a lot of truth in what you write here. It suggests you have more SA than some of your other posts indicate. You may be close to achieving a theory of mind for those on the right.
You are 100% correct in that we (or I) don't care what Trump does at this point - within reason. And it's because of one thing: the massive institutional abuse of power that democrats have systematically engaged in during the past 10-15 years. It's not that it's directly about the "blue hairs" and the "nose rings" or all the other fill-in-the-blanks. It's about the fact that the democrats have embarked on an intentional project of Balkanizing the United States. And that project, is a greater threat to our way of life and future prosperity than anything one man is capable of doing.
So yeah, I don't subscribe or endorse everything Trump does. It's just that what he's doing brings the US into alignment with our core values MORE than the left does. You don't agree. And I understand why you don't. You need to figure out why the right supports Trump. It's not SOLELY because he's a troll. The fact that his masterful trolling triggers many on the left is something I get to laugh at. It's kind of a bonus, but it's not the meat and potatoes.
Oh, and was that meme being ironical? You do know that the whole "drink your own piss" thing came from Yoga, which is a practice many on the Left align with? i.e. drinking your own urine was considered a health practice by those on the Left. So it'd be funny if someone on the right turned it into a meme. Coming from someone on the Left is just kinda confusing.
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1 hour ago, herkbier said:
I absolutely do. I believe Trump and many others were criminally involved. And I believe those on both sides of the aisle are connected and have enough dirt on each other.. mutually assured destruction I think it is called.
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42 minutes ago, SpeedOfHeat said:
-An American city in flames.
-Trump depicting himself as LTC “Kilgore,” a fictional character defined by sadism and lunacy.
-A name change from the Department of Defense to the Department of War, and a threat that Chicago…. Chicago, Illinois, USA, …..is about to find out why.
But let me guess, …..you guys still think this is fine. Totally normal behavior, no?
People that find this unconscionable and sickening just have TDS.
“Mean tweets” is all, right?
And after all, come on, whatabout Hunter’s laptop???
It's less gross than what Pritzker is doing. And that's not a joke. So far this year, nearly 300 people have been killed in Chicago. And while that number is "down," I find it deeply cynical for people like him who prefer to survey the mayhem and rule in hell while attempting to deflect attention from their utter and total failure as the responsible parties, instead pointing to a cartoon depiction of Trump as the "real problem."
I'm sure when your average south Chicagoan heads out of their hooch tonight to grab whatever they need for dinner, or the family, or whatever, that person will be far more worried about the likely criminal who isn't in jail vs. some made up concern about a meme. And that points at the real, underlying dynamic at work - not a tasteless meme. That's (one of) Trump's secret weapons he uses against the Left. The point of memes like this is that Trump can point at something true - that Chicago is a wasteland - and the dems will expose their galling lack of empathy for the people who are actually suffering by scapegoating him. He is their ultimate totem. Their panacea to every ill. That's the root of TDS. A less cynical question you might consider is what crime has the national guard committed? If you can't think of one, I submit, you too, are suffering from TDS...because it's not Trump patrolling the streets of Chicago, himself. Right?
But getting upset at cartoons is one of those things that the left has an absolute lock on. So posts like this are right on brand. It's identical in form to January 6th. Call it an insurrection. Call it WAR on Chicago. Cook your narrative soup at any temperature you like. I won't have any. The bottom line is that NONE of what the national guard has been called in to do has been illegal, or could even be considered problematic.
Imagine living in a crime-ridden city and your governor is more concerned about this than about your public safety...ehh, I digress. Whatever.
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8 hours ago, brabus said:
@ViperMan Valid points again, but devils advocate is using that logic he goes into WAY more debt early in life, betting on the premise his hypothetical future wife and/or kids will need his GI bill for a degree. I know how well my “in 20 years this is where my life will be” thoughts worked out - probably similar to everyone else! The hypothetical scenario is certainly realistic, but is it worth the gamble and taking on a shitload of debt right now? I don’t think there’s a right answer, but it is a large point to consider. Also depends on one’s view of college in general or what they think their future kids are “entitled to.” Some of us max out 529s and encourage our kids to go to college, some of us think college is mostly a for max profit bullshit scheme and useless outside of specific career tracks where it’s a hard requirement. If one is in the latter group, who cares about saving the GI Bill for kids.
Valid concerns.
2 hours ago, wikz said:Yeah, the ratio of the money returns between flight school and college isn't great, but with college almost done and the funds taken care of, it seems like I wouldn't be able to use it for anything else except my kids college and I hope by that time, ill be an airline pilot with no issues in paying for it.
Also with being a guard guy, I dont get BAH unless on TDY's or deployments, and I dont get TA unless on orders that are a month or longer. Other than that, I believe I would only be able to get BAH while using my GI Bill like you said.
I agree with your argument and wish I could've used the GI Bill for college to receive more money, but I think I missed that window. And like brabus said, going into debt now to save it for my kids college (assuming they want to go) to receive the maximum benefits of the P911GIB in the future is debatable.
You guys are both on point, and I don't disagree. This is just my opinion. It sounds like @wikz understands the implication of using the GI bill for flight training. I don't think $60K is that much debt, but then again, I'm an airline pilot now who's biggest concern is when I see nearly $9,000 withheld from half my month's pay. It's effed. So my blackpill is trying to keep as much of my money as possible. Colors most of my opinions now-a-days.
On that note...if anyone has any bright ideas for hanging on to more of my money...I'm all ears.
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24 minutes ago, brabus said:
@ViperMan All valid points, but that assumes he needs to use his GI Bill for a degree. My take from reading above (unless I’m misunderstanding what Wikz wrote) is he’s currently working on a degree (assuming he’s using TA). That means he’ll eventually have a degree without ever having to crack open the GI bill. I have two degrees (both bullshit FWIW), and haven’t touched the GI Bill. TA is a great deal.
If my kids don’t use the GI Bill (at this point I think that’s fairly likely), I’m probably using it to go learn gunsmithing, welding at a pro level, etc. There are many ways to effectively use the GI Bill beyond traditional college.
His wife or kid could use it for a degree too. Buy a house and rent it to his kid, who can pay for the house with BAH. This might also be in the future where college, and houses, will likely be even more expensive than they are now.
I'm really just offering a perspective that says, "hey, realize you're getting less than about half of what it's worth if you use it for this." Of course people gotta make their own decisions based on their circumstances. Many times, though, I think people make less than fully informed decisions.
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16 hours ago, wikz said:
Yeah I also was thinking it would be kinda dumb to go through the whole process of learning to fly and becoming an FO for HA just to leave for UPT shortly after.
well this is the first time ive heard someone say not to use the GI bill for flight school. I was planning on it, because im honestly not sure how else to pay for it other than scholarships, or just taking out a big ass loan and paying the monthly minimums for it until I have enough money to pay it off.
Personally, I would take a loan before smoking through the post 9/11 GI bill. The GI bill will pay about $15K/yr for vocational flight training vs $27K/yr if used for college (2023/2024 dollars). That's .60 for $1. Not a great return. Can you take out a $60K loan to fund your flight training to preserve a $100K benefit? That math also doesn't account for what you lose in BAH when you're taking college classes. Average E-5 with dependents BAH is approximately $2K per month. Multiply that by 36 months of benefit, and you're looking at $72K of tax free income. No payroll taxes. No income taxes. Just money in your pocket. The BAH alone is worth more than what they'll give you in flight training benefit.
Just understand the total cost and make an educated decision. Don't be that guy who buys a brand new Camero on E-4 pay. The $60K flight training benefit is going to cost you about $140K.
11 hours ago, Springer said:I used my entire GI Bill (back in the day) for FE and ATP ratings plus a Citation type. Used the remainder for a Master's degree. Like to think it helped as I was hired by two major airlines.
It will surely help, it's just not an efficient use of the benefit.
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On 8/14/2025 at 8:57 PM, wikz said:
I definitely dont have the funds but im hoping to got on the next 6 monther coming up so I can qualify for the GI Bill.
thanks for the information brody. CFII just became more favorable.
CFI / CFII will make you a better pilot faster. If you already have a pilot slot, IMO you shouldn't waste your time trying to become an airline pilot.
Second, are you thinking of using your GI Bill to pay for flight hours / flight school? Other people may say different, but using it like that is an enormous waste. You'd be better off taking basket-weaving classes at a community college and stuffing the E-5 (with dependents) BAH into a mortgage. Sell the house. Collect the money. Don't use it on flight hours.
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Instead of limiting who can vote, a better solution would be a government that couldn't tax our productivity in an uneven manner, thereby redistributing my precious and limited time on this Earth to other people. In lieu of that, however, the next best solution is to limit voting to those who materially participate - and to strip it from those who are merely along for the ride. What that looks like specifically can be debated, but the philosophical point some have made on this board is pretty clear.
I admit it's a re-imagining of our idea of "democracy," but then again, so is the fact that 40+% (nearly 50%) of my time is stolen from me in some form or another and "redistributed" to other people. That's not the system any of us signed up for either. Rather, it's the end result of a perpetual creep from our originally envisioned government instituted to help us secure our life, liberty, and happiness. For a long time, voting was the best means to guarantee everyone's collective, long-term goals. Now it's become a means by which certain groups use the government to disenfranchise other groups. Voting ain't it anymore. Voting is a nice-to-have. Voting is a mechanism, it's not fundamental to a good life. A good life is me being able to keep what I produce. As soon as voting has become the way whereby I'm made a slave to other members of society, it has ceased being a necessary part of our society. We're all familiar with the meme about two wolfs and a sheep voting on who's for dinner...that's where we are and where we've been for some time.
You have millionaire SS recipients who take 12.4% of my wages and spend it on whatever, instead of selling their million-dollar homes. Instead, they're going to deed their estates to their heirs, and use my wages to bridge the gap to their end-of-life. 12.4% of my time enables old people to make choices they otherwise couldn't (or wouldn't) make. In a two-week period of Mondays through Fridays, that's (more than) one whole day of my time. My commute. My gas money. My wear and tear on my vehicle. My time I could spend doing whatever else I want to do. Instead, my time is spent going to work for the retired. 30% of my income to income taxes? Well, you can do the math on how many days that takes up.
You have EBT recipients who use their benefits to purchase luxury goods. You have school lunch recipients who throw away literally 100% of the food they receive into the trash. Every. Single. Day. Again, that's my time being thrown into the (literal) garbage can.
The examples go on and on and on.
I don't lament people's shock and disbelief that people could advocate for something as seemingly undemocratic as taking away people's right to vote. I understand those beliefs rest upon a hopeful, childish, but ultimately naive view of how our government and society function. i.e. a view grounded in a high-school-civics-level conception of our society. It only seems gross when it's juxtaposed against the cartoonish view of what we're programmed to think. When it's held up to a holistic view that encompasses how money, time, and productivity are actually redistributed throughout our society, it's the obvious answer.
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10 hours ago, Day Man said:
and Hegseth?
I can only infer that you're making reference to his irresponsible use of unsecure messaging apps to communicate secret information. Of course that should be punished / not tolerated. And here is me, a guy on the right, plainly saying so. Whether or not that deserves prison is a whole different discussion though. Probably boils down to intent. The difference between what he did (irresponsible) and what Schiff attempted to do is a universe of difference though. If you can't see objectively see that, you're beyond redemption.
Now, if you can look at what Schiff has done and say, yeah, that amounts to attempting to illegitimately undermine the president of the US and that is wrong and should be severely punished, then there's probably hope for you. If all you can do though is point at Pete Hegseth, and go "what about this guy?" then I got nothing for you.
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13 hours ago, ClearedHot said:
Democratic whistleblower told FBI that Adam Schiff approved classified leaks to target Trump
That boys and girls is a violation of the Espionage Act.
Would love to see Schiff convicted of a federal crime and thrown in prison. Same with Swalwell. Now I just hope the FBI and the JD have the balls to follow through with prosecution. Tired of talk. I'm ready to see some action from these players.
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3 hours ago, M2 said:
There is further reporting on this which I am working to get released at this level...
SECRET//REL BASEOPS
LOL.
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19 hours ago, Negatory said:
As is standard, you are wrong.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8008535/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Hatred of gays is common in closeted self-haters though.13 hours ago, bfargin said:I was dragged into this homo discussion by DayMan simply by pointing out the inappropriate accusation thrown at potus. I stand by what i stated years ago, but not sure how it had any bearing on insulting potus with something unproven. If he had stated “trump has a history of acting degenerately towards women”, this discussion wouldn’t be happening.
Also, Typical tactic to claim the other person “hates” and then use the term “closeted” as an insult (it usually is, but a “supporter” or “participator” shouldn’t think that). I don’t hate, but definitely think it’s a destructive choice just like all sexual debauchery is. You have free will and can think and act how you want. I’ve got many temptations I fight, but buggery is not one of them.
So, so, so much this. The irony runs deep when people who criticize homosexuality are then immediately called homos by those who feel some abstract need to white knight on their behalf. It's one of my favorite bits of the left, honestly.
Not that there's anything wrong with it...
Negatory: "Hey, don't be mean to gay people...Also, you're a fag."
Some people are truly blind.
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11 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:
Not every SIB has a corresponding AIB.
Interesting. I assumed they were required by statute so there was something publicly releasable so the US taxpayer got to have some sort of insight into where their tax dollars just went.
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Welp. I guess it's started.
On 11/13/2024 at 9:25 PM, ViperMan said:On a somewhat related note to help characterize how I approach the world, I also think the regime in Iran must be toppled. October 7th has necessitated it, and it's only a matter of time before it becomes a reality. I'm not a war-monger, though. I'm just taking an honest look at who's who in the world, and "countries" that engage others in that manner have to be transformed. That usually takes force.
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1 hour ago, viper154 said:
It was SUPT until 5-6 ish years ago. I don’t know when Doss started but you did that before UPT if you didn’t have a PPL. That was referred to as IFS, and 2018/19? it changed from IFS (initial flight screening) to IFT (Initial Flight Training) from what I told it was the same but changed from a screening program to a “training” program.
2018/19 is when the SUPT most of us know started its change to the disaster we have now. I’m not super smart on the timeline, but I believe UPT next was a small and short program at Randolf/Austin, T-6 only, straight to a FTU. I think it only produced 20-40 grads.
2021 ish started the 2.0/2.5 and several other syllabus re writes.
22-24 The T-1 started sunsetting, and heavy folks started doing T-1 sim only programs. 2024 the T-1 sim only program sunset. They were not the regular T-1 sims, and while I’ve never been in one, from what I was told tbeh sucked.
2025 -IPT/FUPT. IPT is the training program at civilian schools to get studs a PPL/Inst/multi rating.
The “legacy” syllabus being referred to was similar to the 2.0/2.5 but had changes in when checkrides and how the mission phase was executed. (Honestly it might be the 2.5 syllabus, I can’t remember which was which, I started ram dumping that info when I left AD) it’s 20 ish more hours in the T-6 than FUPT. I believe the “legacy” syllabus is still being executed at several UPT bases.
To sum that up. legacy = Doss IFT (or PPL) + trans/nav-inst/form/mission in the T-6.
FUPT = civilian school, FAA grading standards, time building CFI instructors, FAA checkride PPL/inst Multi, and then 50 hours in the T-6 with no real dedicated nav/inst rides.
That being said the “legacy” being referred to is totally different than what most of us went though, and is really only a year or so old.
Thanks for the context.
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4 hours ago, Swizzle said:
the blue sacred cow = AD process and structure, the undisclosed non-negotiable
Chef's kiss on this phrase. Perfection. Poetic. Catch-22.
i.e. "We're doing this. So fuck you."
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6 hours ago, viper154 said:
Your error is the reference to “legacy”. He referring the syllabus before IPT was thing. In that syllabus they got 70? Ish T-6 hours and then straight to the FTU if they didn’t get 38s.
I flew with many of the initial IPT studs at CBM, the program is trash.
Ok, so I don't know the entire evolution of the _UPT timeline. I went circa '07 but already had my PPL, so I guess that meant I went around the time of IFT, but I didn't have to do it.
In my mind USAF pilot training has basically been:
UPT (60s, 70s, 80s).
(S)UPT (90s, 00s) - with some variation or another of intro to flying in some sort of prop airplane (may or may not have attained a PPL)...if my memory serves, I think people were given like 25 hours in a prop to see if they could do at least that.
Then, I get fuzzy. Was it IPT? with UPT 2.0, UPT Next, FUPT now? Seems like there was a schmorgasborg of choose your own adventures during the last 5-7 years.
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Yeah, this is concerning.
"In the new model, pilots will earn a private pilot certificate, instrument, and multi-engine ratings in approximately 120 flying hours within a maximum of 139 calendar days. Pilots then complete military specific flight training, earning wings after 108 days—55 hours in the T-6A and 50 hours in simulators.
Leard explained, 'Prior to implementing this new program, our fundamental challenge was getting enough flying hours in the T-6A to meet our goal. This new program ultimately provides our pilots with more flight time than the legacy system while exposing them to a greater number of aviation competencies.'"
There's a lot in that little snippet that I'm not even sure is factually true. I graduated UPT (technically SUPT) with over 200 hours - most of them were in the T-38. These guys are going to graduate with 175 hours with most of them in some combination of Cessnas and Pilatuses? Hmmm. Not sure they're getting more flight time. Certainly they're not getting more relevant flight time. Maybe he was referring to the T-1 track? Can't speak to what the T-1 guys graduated SUPT with, hours-wise. Does anyone know approximately?
My top concern is that this just seems to be trading quality for quantity.
Instead of wings with a star on top, can we begin issuing wings with an asterisk?
Also, I would like the statement "exposing them to a greater number of aviation competencies" to be substantiated. I doubt this is true. And if it is, what competency did we just discover in the year of our lord 2025 to which I have not been exposed?
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3 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:
Early today Ukraine Special Forces working with FPV drones launched a massive attack on the Russian Air Force. Early reports indicate as many as 40 Russian bombers have been hit, many of them TU95s. The destroyed aircraft include Tu-95 and Tu-22M3 bombers, and at least one A-50 airborne early
For context, prior to this attack Russia had an estimated total force of 60 TU95s, 27 TU-22M3s (30 more in long-term modernization status), and 6-10 A-50s.
Things continue to go well for Russia...they are truly in the midst of finding out.
~ $2B in lost or damaged assets. ~ 1000 miles from the front lines in one case. More than 2000 miles in another. Four bases struck.
I'm told this is what winning looks like for them? Victory must be right around the corner. This is a major boon for them.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/01/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-war-latest-news5291/
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On 5/28/2025 at 11:01 PM, Pooter said:
the entire right wing in America was completely fixated on the issues I listed in a mass hysteria just like the left was with BLM or #metoo. And it was 100% due to the right wing media whipping them up into a lather about it.
No. It was not.
2020 (COVID) riots. Race riots. George Floyd. Kenosha shootings. The Jan 6th "coup" (lol). CHOP/CHAZ. All those things were sanctioned by democrats in power. There was no corollary to any of that on the right. There was no equivalent behavior to those examples promulgated by the right wing. What we saw during 2016-2021 was left-wing hysteria driven, encouraged, and applauded by people in power. By people in our government. By people in our corporate media. I'm not denying the Glenn Becks and the Alex Jonses on the "right", but why the right wing was fixated on "issues" hadn't had anything to do with the RW media. It had everything to do with reality.
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But is that really how you read my words? Or do you think I was providing important context in reference to the general milieu which was the political mayhem occurring from 2020 through 2021? They (the Democrats) sanctioned mayhem that Negatory turns a blind eye to every time he posts a one-sided accusation. Or attempts what-about-ism. Or when he invokes Jan 6th as an idol, pointing and proclaiming: "See! look here! It's the same! The Rs and the Ds both do it!"
Do you think I was carrying water for the few who broke the law on Jan 6th? Or do you think I was putting it in juxtaposition with what was the actual violence that was allowed to take place
Do you acknowledge or deny that there was a qualitative difference with which republicans and democrats reacted to violence and anarchy that was initiated by their own sides? Or do you think that was all in our heads? Am I imagining that? I seem to remember Pence refusing Trump's orders. I seem to remember no large scale right-wing violence or rioting. Maybe I'm in my Twitter bubble. I welcome you to pop it. But, you have to provide evidence.