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Is there any new talk about putting maintenance into the operations group? That wheel has to be turning back that way as well.

UPT bases...Vance being one where E-pubs are now allowed. The FCIF came out last week. Hazing can only go so far against the BIG BLUE money machine. Who said money isn't everything?

But yes, it is certainly possible to transfer units a few years down the road.

Vance 08-05 8 T-1 2 T-44 2 UH-1 3 T-38

It really shouldn't be that hard at all to find some RC-135 navs and ewos down there. I know there are at least a half dozen that have gone down there in the last year. There are more on the way. If you need names, send me a PM, but if you so much as mention it down there, someone should be in the room to answer you. As far as advanced beatings...what advanced beatings? Don't worry about that, that is a while down the road, and nothing more than training to accomplish before you become mission ready. Also, you need to be a little more specific here on whether you are asking about the nav or ewo job. On this airplane, they are totally different animals.

Sure, you can't be an airline pilot with only a nav rating, but as a traditional guy, what do you want your civilian job to be? No door is closed to you just because you are a nav, but you could do whatever you want with your full-time life. You could work any government job, teacher, firefighter, corporate executive...this one is up to you man! Folks always say navigators can't find jobs in the "after-life", but I have never met an ex-nav that said, "I just couldn't find a job because I was a nav and not a pilot." Obviously if you want to fly airplanes the rest of your life, there are very few civilian navigator jobs. But if you are just talking some sort of work, then there are so many jobs in this world, you will find one. As far as the job description, I was never a C-130 nav, so I can't help you there. But I can tell you that other recon navs and electronic warfare officers are grouped together under one AFSC. I assume the posting you are looking at is simply an ad for either navigators or electronic warfare officers. If you go to nav school, then that would be a decision you make while there if on active duty. I am not sure how the guard hires navs/EWs. Good luck to you.

Stiffler, yes sad, but true. Baseops, yes it does take an E-8 to watch the hand washing and clean PT gear coming into the chow hall. The ironic part is that it only takes one E-2 or E-3 to watch 8 TCN's doing everything from cleaning to building stuff. Guess we are more worried about ourselves and our own rules than what someone could do to our stuff and potentially cause harm to us.

Soon everyone will be wearing the reflective belt with shirt tucked in while running on the treadmill!

As far as you know...right?

So I just spent some time in the 'Died, and I never once wore a reflective thing. This was a personal battle, and one that was won. The entire crew made it safely through with no belts. Ok, now for the whole truth. There are no reflective belt police on the flight line. I guess none of them have access. But we still all made it safely. Yes, we merely walked off one airplane and onto the next. But still, WE WON! Less than two hours total time, but no BELT!!

This will be interesting. I have heard this story third party, and this sucks for everyone in the class. You gotta love rats and an overly PC BIG BLUE. More will come out of this investigation than the one of the Maj who was abducted. The sad thing is, at least according to what I have heard, this is no outside shoe clerk who started it.

Impressive! Great photos.

ok, so how do you turn them down when they just show up on your record on the virtual MPF? You have to go back and submit paperwork or something? Seriously, how exactly did you turn them down?

Now that is funny, and true! Is this an attempt to turn us all into religious runners...aka marathoners?

He isn't the only one that feels this way, but I am not one of those people. Sure, I agree, any accident was probably avoidable at some point, and there is room for improvement in the Air Force. However, until humans stop flying airplanes, humans will crash airplanes. It is unfortunate, but we are human, therefore we are fallible. One has to hope that on the day you make a mistake, others catch it. These mishaps happen when all the mistakes align at the same time (Swiss cheese theory of investigation).

SIB gets first crack, and then AIB. SIB puts together a report, TABS A-Z. TABS A-S are factual only, releasable and are given to AIB when SIB is complete. SIB is accomplished so that we do not do the same thing again...hopefully. TABS T-Z contain crew testimony, SIB findings, engineer testimony, etc. They are privileged information so that hopefully those involved can admit their mistakes if they know that they made a mistake, or if the board does determine crew fault. I am not quite sure what all happens with the AIB since I am a safety person. You would need a lawyer, or someone who has been through one, to respond as to what the AIB actually does with the investigation. But again, unless criminal activity is suspected or discovered, the SIB will go first with crash scene, evidence, etc. As far as what board they go through (if you are referring to mishap class), that is all based on dollar cost or aircraft damage/crew injury.

Although I do consider myself a someone and not something... Perhaps he is referring to the difference between an ACCIDENT investigation board (AIB) and Safety Investigation board (SIB). JAG runs the AIB, I believe, while SIB is run by safety folks for mishap prevention purposes. One should not be punished according to the SIB findings, while one can be punished under the AIB.

Not sure on the reg #, but there are rules out there. We had the problem as well, but we put everything into our booster club. Booster clubs are separate entities from the squadron and are recognized organizations on base. The bottom line why there are rules and why each squadron can't make money each year has to do with competing with already issued AF contracts, i.e. your vendor, AAFES, etc. All we had to do each year, not 3 months, was prove that all profits from SNACKO and other fundraisers were being spent. The bottom line, IIRC, could not exceed $1000 left in the bank. We had a huge Christmas, I mean holiday, I mean winter party each year and gave away tons of gifts to squadron members. It is actually a very simple process to do it legally, and then everyone has to shut up. Contact your base NAF Manager; they are the folks that helped us write the charter, laws of the booster club, and budget. If you want an example, PM me. GL!

Great first post! Someone sent you running to BASEOPS.NET to create an account, and defend yourself. Welcome to the FORUM...and btw, the Air Force is a small place too. Don't send any email talking about your exploits to your "buddy", because it will be around the world within hours! You know you all read that email. So you run your mouth when you have a little whiskey...slow down with the bottle LT!

Can you sit in one spot for a long time? If not, then T-1 may be better for you so later you have the option to get up, walk around, and stretch. Not to mention, stop by the oven and cook some good grub!

Chief IP will make the call. Not sure at all what that will be. But I am sure he will look into your flying history, hours, etc.

Ain't that the truth! Originally posted by Cooter: Flying at home is even less productive (speaking for backend types mind you) and come on it's the Died not Iraq. Front-end: May be more productive at home since multiple approaches rarely happen while deployed. On the flip side, you will most likely get a little more air refueling practice while deployed. Plus, as an added bonus 10 HOURS OF AUTOPILOT ON!!!

Depends. Yes.

Right...as of yesterday, the schedule will return to 60 day rotations.

Are they actually wearing their "PATCH" at the time of the accident? Sorry...couldn't pass that opportunity...guess you were right Rainman, the piece of cloth does nothing. Except maybe, as you stated, give them a greater chance of an accident. :D