Clark Griswold

Yup I know it’d be a large system to produce that many grads per year but the money is there just not the belief amongst the GOs apparently that flight time actually matters, funny how the FAA does with the 1500 hour rule… Yes I know the AF doesn’t have the B model but it should and I rant on… 3-4 bases across the SW to SE USA, maybe at existing USAF or Joint Bases, instruct & fly their asses off to get students produced then send to the SUPT program, consolidate that to two bases and put the ME program at the remaining third, T-7s have 2 locations at existing ACC bases to fly their syllabus in proximity and if worth it with MWS at those bases in certain phases Where’s the AFA on this? Why aren’t they criticizing this bull fertilizer? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not opposed to a contractor taught section(s) of flight instruction but not the primary or phase used for evaluation of pilot skill, leadership and track selection A longer phase in GA trainers to get a PPL, Instrument and initial experience with formation IMHO would save money and fatigue life on the military primary trainer offsetting the cost of a longer contractor led basic flight training program About 100-120 hours pre SUPT then attend a 6-8 month T-6B program to focus on acro, formation, modest cross country & low level phases and a mission phase (a simplified mission integration phase to plan and execute multiple timing, comms & maneuvers problems with different players and formations in an exercise area). Track select after that. T-7 or ME Commercial training program or an AF T-54 program to get a multi engine qual (20-25 hours). Graduate and go forth. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

What? No primary trainer or no training done by military or both? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Before I fly off the top rope with a folding chair… so the Redbird sim program is cancelled and then did the T-1 get a reprieve? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yup, just like Europe they skip countries where benefits / jobs are scarce I’m all for states / countries / cities / individuals voluntarily funding asylum seekers if they want with said asylum seekers given geographically restricted temporary visas with states / counties / cities not interested in that being able to bar / arrest / remove said asylum seekers if they leave the confines of their visa but we would have to still have federalism in practice to have that and we’ve been foolishly centralizing political power since the 30’s Just as we have LOAC but we still apply violence to achieve national security objectives we should apply force to prevent / remove illegal aliens but not have some mercy on some people truly in need of asylum I’m for coming up with a plan as this problem of people fleeing poverty / dysfunction is only likely to get worse and it’s NOT our sole responsibility amongst the wealthy and developed nations to absorb millions upon millions of people, we can take some but not nearly as many as the Left / Globalists imply we should We either figure out how to get to something sustainable and realistic or as the situation gets worse we will get someone who will take matters further than we want Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah I know like Raul replaced Fidel These regimes like the Kim dynasty are unfortunately resilient as they’ve got patrons (China, Russia) and have figured out a balance of taking to reward supporters to get them to intimidate the remaining population but not enough to coalesce a legitimate capable threat to them My point is to have a policy to encourage that change in their societies by not being a relief valve but still dealing humanely with those arriving at our borders who we should help, and this being explicitly stated No worries Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Concur on a basic level your point in whose responsibility is it to fix failing/dysfunctional systems but the reality is Maduro and his regime aren’t going anywhere anytime soon so a policy that minimizes the pull while reasonably dealing with the push causing them to wind up asking for asylum seems reasonable I’d be good with only women with children in their custody if the child is genetically proven to be that woman’s child / children as a priority / only allowed group Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just in time for the election here, if Maduro “wins” then expect a building movement of Venezuelans applying for asylum https://dnyuz.com/2024/07/18/losing-hope-venezuelans-vow-to-leave-their-country-if-maduro-wins/ I’m fairly hard line on illegal immigration and skeptical of asylum claims but I see this being a case where it’s not asylum in the traditional sense but respite / refuge from a failing state. I’m not for necessarily a mass waiver to allow automatic entry but a national discussion then policy to have a plan, not holding my breath…

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He hit the carjacker in the mouth with a four shot burst, not bad reaction shooting IMHO. That dude used 8 of his lives surviving that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Armed guards for me not for thee… Armed Guards Protect Sonia Sotomayor Although She Rejected the People’s ‘Private Right of Armed Self-Defense’ https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2024/07/09/armed-guards-protect-sonia-sotomayor-although-she-rejected-the-peoples-private-right-of-armed-self-defense/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Commute worthy on the subject of Asian Pivot Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah, legit critique of the added complexity to the whole training endeavor but just a grandiose idea that will never happen Keeping it simple the King Airs would be an ideal solution but I’d still advocate for splitting up ME training Basics covered in a contractor course in a light twin, military and advanced ME in house in a heavier twin with mil instructors but that’s just my opinion

Thinking about this and its long since OBE but why didn’t we consider linking the two main training track platform recapitalizations and plan for them training together in some syllabus phases? The T-38 and T-1 successor systems having training systems that could simulate and interact with each other, possibly non-training assets also for their training/exercises? An integrated training system not classified to avoid that problem as the training aircraft would not always be doing this in SUPT and transiting thru civ fields but one that could simulate with other equipped assets. Would have been a bigger shift to what the syllabi at SUPT for both tracks would have been but I kinda think we missed the forest for the trees, that is that it was not just replacing this platform but what and how we teach in house at SUPT. This probably would necessitate a longer pre-SUPT program to teach more basics there so to adjust the T-6 / Phase 3 training but just a thought Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

True I advocate for a partial contract flying to put the stalls, falls and bounces on iron the AF technically would not own or if it was owned was cheaper to fix or replace, the Seminole seems to fit that. The bigger more complicated airplane IMHO would not get a lot repetitive patterns, OEI work, etc… some but not nearly as much as the T-1s took but would be there for formation, cross country to complex airspace (high traffic density class B), etc… but just as the pointy nose community stepped back and said what is it we want our students destined for F-69s to learn or be familiar with prior to FTU, what do we want the crew heavy tracked students to see prior to the FTU? Yeah you can say this or that smart alec answer but really what does the heavy military aviator looking at the next few decades need to learn in SUPT to hit the ground running in FTU? The 46/52/17/etc has gadgets and is networked or will be I believe with other players, the T tails will be also, we’re looking at ACE, heavies going a bit into the threat rings for the peer conflicts of the future, ultimately it’s gonna need to be a Phase 3 and platform(s) that teach that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

True No one is held accountable, there’s no clearing out of bad idea generators just more boondoggles Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Concur, just buying a new low risk option would have been my choice too but here we are The King Air IMHO would have have been the best straight forward choice to replace the venerable T-1 as a 1 to 1 replacement but if cost is driving everything then the Seminole plus other training is what I would recommend to the Bobs if they asked The Tecnam is cheaper and that’s the name of the game here, even though it’s a recip at lower speeds it’s the flight experience managing all the dynamic variables is what I’m after, it builds the pilot even though the aircraft is way smaller and slower Landing it on short fields, learning new tasks quickly, etc… integrating all those skills together and demonstrating you can do it builds the graduate you want in the 46, 17, 130, etc… Choir preaching I realize but it’s one of the things we do on BO Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No doubt there are issues and factors to deal with but you can find solutions, maybe the 73 sim training is not feasible maybe it would be if a provider knew the AF was committing to this or a similar paradigm for training its heavy track pilots but I’d rather try to light a candle than curse the darkness Another transport category aircraft sim then, hell a corporate jet sim or even some flight time again do something If ridiculous, you could not get an ATP with this flight training and be responsible for the lives of X passengers so why should the AF be allowed to take this risk then as that newly minted SUPT grad could theoretically be now responsible with X number of lives in his/her hands as a new co with likely less than 100 post SUPT flight hours? We shake our heads at the Ethiopian Air crash that had an FO with I think 200ish hours in the seat but WTF is that different about what we are talking about here? Yeah I know the AC would be there but what if he/she is incapacitated and it’s now all on that co? And yes I think having at least the flight training or more or something like it would make a difference? Would you let someone operate on you that didn’t finish medical school but was deemed “good enough” at 2 years of training and then sent to a surgical residency? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Really it is about air time in controlled stressful training situations to build an aviator who won’t fold or freak out in big planes when the SHTF, also introduces concepts at lower airspeeds and less consequential environments to begin experiencing and familiarization with Air Land / Drop / NVG etc… Copy on 73 tng but still cheaper than alternatives methinks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Here’s your solution AF: Basic multi eng tng: New Piper Seminole at about $760k with G1000 avionics, about $420 an hour, a Piper Seminole FTD with control feedback is about $100 per hour. 15 hour simulator and 20 hour flight syllabus, probably 2 weeks academics with some pre study. All contract instruction or traditional mix contact/military Military multi eng tng: Western US AFB for backcountry STOL opportunities, remote field work (NVG work, tactical approaches, etc…). 15-20 ride syllabus in a Tecnam p2012 STOL, fixed gear, unpressurized aircraft with modern avionics and Air Mobility mission simulation systems 3rd B737 type course, add a few sim events and keep flight deck training simple (no flows, just exposure to an automated flight deck of a transport category aircraft), simple culminating event and boom you’re SUPT complete KISS, reliable and you’ll get a better graduate at an affordable cost

With how many total flying hours in your logbook were you doing this? That’s the unbelievable part of this, this is not about phoning in training for studs who have 500 CFI hours and 1000+ corporate or regional now going thru a military flying course, I’ll bet the average stud has about 100 something T-6 hours plus maybe 50 ASEL hours… how the ever loving hell do we not see a huge risk? Keep fighting the good fight and debating on BO but this is crazy, ask yourself USAF, how many other militaries around the world are doing this with their multi engine pilot training? None. So why are you the outlier USAF? Contract on the multi basic part, teach in house the mil specific items and contract the cherry on top modern transport category training and experience.

Yeah, probably so Maybe if the completion payment got into the 150k range after taxes but then you’re starting to negate the cost savings intent of the whole effort At this point, just try something Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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I agree and would prefer a new AF owned multi eng tng aircraft would be preferable but the Bobs are penny pinching and apparently the GOs at the MAF, etc.. DGAF about their new pilots getting real flight hours after T-6s before showing up at an FTU so finding ways to save money but still getting hours is paramount My druthers for a mil multi eng tng aircraft in these times would be fixed gear, unpressurized and rugged for high utilization and training, Twin Otter mil variant with mil radios, NVG cockpit and a mil tng software system seems right. I wanna contract out the initial basics and the very expensive platform (multi eng with complex flight and automation systems) to try to get all this to fit together in a budget the AF would support Another idea since the AF is not interested in spending a lot of multi eng students why not shrink the number of fully commissioned AF multi eng pilot trainees and start a WO pilot program recruiting from regionals for designated copilots on 3 year contracts? Applicants get a warrant commission, indoc and training program then FTU, complete that and either get the post 911 GI Bill or completion payment (probably 100k+). No upgrade no additional duties, just fly to fill the schedule as required and when done, go on your merry way. This would be a crew force dynamically sized to meet the needs of the AF. They could focus the mil training on regular commissioned students who will have longer ADSCs and would be expected to become the leadership of the MAF, the new WOs would be valued AF members but unless they wished to regular commission would not be expected to serve a career. If they wanted to after serving, a process would be made.