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FG,
Wanted to take moment to formally recognize you and say thanks for your participation and input on this forum.
Unfortunately, this forum highlights the often negative relationship between Ops and Support.
You are definitely in the business of taking care of folks as demonstrated by the number and depth of questions you answer.
How in the world you found your way to a forum full of prima dona aviators is a mystery, the fact that you stayed and have contributed and helped so many people is a testament to the type of professional you are.
On behalf of all the folks you have helped on this board, thanks!
CH
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Soccer...WGAS...WGAF.
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FUBIJAR SWITCH: ON (ALL CREW)
As a Reservist, I disagree with the general notion that the majority of AD officers are above average in their ability to beat income potential in the civilian sector. Not a chance. That's optimism bias talking.
Noted… Given the current job market you have a limited point, but with regard to officers you are wrong, proven time and again by a multitude of studies. You argument falls completely flat once a person has served for a few years and been trained in a specialty.
All my AD bro's pound their chest and proselytize that they would be bank rolling in the civi sector tomorrow, while the more tempered of their compadres look at them, having just got out from industry and into the military themselves, with this "you're a fool" look. With the incredible amount of engineering and liberal arts majors amongst our officer ranks I can tell you very few of these people would be able to chase a Captain's salary just 4 years from the start of the race.
Again, untrue…while the rolling in bank argument is nonsense, as an engineer you will start at a higher salary than you will make as a 2Lt. It really comes down to the type of degree especially with regard to engineering and if you are certified or not.
I know because I make 50% of what my AD peers make while performing the same duties and I'm knee deep in the civilian sector hiring day to day. AD cats are just blowing smoke,
Blah Blah based on your situation you assume 50% is the standard….try again. Willing to bet I am a bit senior to you and was offered a job last week making over double what I make on active duty…so if I use your singular logic, all active duty could double their pay by getting out. It is all relative to the situation and qualification.
yall make crazy money for the risk of getting blown out of the sky, more likely die in training for the majority.
Crazy money? Really??? Ever had a friend die in a crash? Ask his family if they have crazy money left. At this point I would say you are a poser. Anyone in this business, especially someone who has been doing it for a while and has lost friends in combat and training, know we don’t make crazy money for the risks we take. You sound like a fucking tool at this point in the discussion.
I got two degrees in engineering and in order for me to make senior Capt's pay and entitlements, would take me the better part of 15 years and a multiplicity of layoffs and "relocations". You guys have nothing to complain about. Frankly I think most officer ranks are overpaid. A 20 year pension is an afterthought frankly.
“I got two degrees”…For fucks sake learn to speak…Notice you said senior Capt’s pay and 15 years. Average engineering pay charts would say that is not true. Again it depends on the type of engineering and while there may be a lag at that point in your career, HOWEVER< senior engineers will more than make up for as they move up the ranks, many of which make well more than the Chief of Staff.
You make silly money for what you do. QOL is terrible at times, but you make silly money. The median individual income in this country is 50K and most people in non-technical degrees have median incomes way lower than that, and we got plenty officers with lib art degrees.
Dear god soulja boy this is not the hood, I can see why you make less. The officers that have liberal arts degrees are also spending years away from home living in tents and exposed to the risk of losing their lives. They give up certain constitutional rights that the average citizen gets to enjoy, and their income should not be related to the median income...a complete apples to walnuts argument.
There are so many aspects to military service that are not part of the average civilians employment. I would go on, but what is the point, you won’t get it and you will likely just reply with a Flo Rida quote.
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Most likely. Unless dorms are full as previously mentioned. Word of advice though, don't sign a lease until you're absolutely sure you have permission to live off base. The way I see it you have two options.
1. Get Married
2. Have her sign a lease and you just "crash" there...use you dorm on base as a study (err porn) sanctuary.
3. Dump the girlfriend and focus on learning how to fly.
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UPDATE: My husband submitted his ADP with the usual suspects and were basically ready to move to Altus but he let the Commander know if anything cool or exotic pops up we would be interested and lo and behold a C-21 to Ramstein popped up and my husband's name has been penciled in!!!
We are prematurely doing the happy dance! Crossing my fingers it all works out. Thanks again for all the info.
I am guessing he won't be allowed to PCS until he gets his man card back.
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Or better yet, Tennessee Sipping Whiskey. Ideally of the Single Barrel persuasion.
Actually..."Kentucky" Sipping Whiskey", but that is just the purest bourbon snob in me.
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Whatever happened to a good old fashioned bottle of bourbon?
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You spoke of the wife. I believe the ROE for that requires pictures of said wife.
"Two"...post within 24 hours or be banned for violation of forum rules.
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Beging good looking and an FSU grad doesn't hurt either..
Him good learn...freaking state school grads.
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It's possible, don't do SOS.
Don't fuck with the system these days. Too many people are staying and they are looking for reasons to get rid of folks. Hats off to anyone who wants to fly their entire career, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face and end up unemployed.
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The limelight is needlessly focused on the DOD budget (politically savvy to do so), when the real problem lies elsewhere. Look at the chart below...you could zero....I repeat ZERO the Defense budget and we will still go under because of entitlement programs. Thank you Lyndon Johnson...
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The problem with your theory is that the individual doesn't necessarily have total control over what they do, career-wise. A person may WANT to take on those more dangerous jobs in order to earn a better retirement... however, the military may say "sorry, you're not what we need" or "We need you elsewhere" or "You're being non-vol'd to XX position which doesn't earn near as much retirement pay as your current duties do".
Agreed
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CH,
I'm not sure what your problem is here. We can disagree, and clearly we do, but we're all just regular guys BSing on an internet message board. You know of me and I vaguely know of you, so if putting a guy like me down on the internet makes you feel better then I'm sorry.
I'm out, this thread has devolved beyond uselessness.
~nsplayr
Really?
Your posts are laced with passive aggressive insults to anyone who disagrees with you, which leads to the "BL: ToughShit" response and you get all butt hurt when someone replies...really? Grow a pair of stones.
You want to have a debate, fine with me, but your bias serves comes out as sanctimonious elitism. There are huge fiscal issues facing this country and of course no one wants to have their ox gored. A litmus test to determine levels of military retirement based on your type of service....really that is what you have? While the military retirement system is expensive, it is not the problem. From a military budget point of view, the issue is acquisition costs, (O and M for USAF), and Tricare. Spend all the brain-bytes you want fixing those programs but the real issues are the social entitlement programs. Medicare (it will break us), Medicaid, and Social Security (now in the red while leveraging a non-existent trust fund).
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BL: You don't like this conversation, tough sh*t.
BL: I don't like you. You serve no other purpose than to validate retroactive birth control.
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Yes. Crazy and arrogant.
No doubt!
Stop feeding the troll folks.
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CH, If I remember right the AF had already basically fucked up the plan? Something about not being able to actually "give em away" after we'd stood up a small foreign AF.
Not really a USAF fuck up, more a function of our system and the slowness with which the gears grind. Giving airplanes to another country is a function of Foreign Military Sales (FMS), which is unfortunately a program managed by the state department. Light-attack has the stigma of the F-20 program which in theory has some parallels...how can we expect another nation to buy something we won't. This is complicated by the fact that countries like Iraq want F-16s...
The real issue is what can we afford to buy AND operate in our current and future fiscal environment. Does anyone really think we are going to get 2000 F-35's?
Put the blue koolaid aside for a minute and answer some honest questions;
Do we need stealth for EVERYTHING?
As I recall the A-10 did just find in OIF/OEF?
Not saying light-attack equals the A-10, but is there utility in a platform that has 80% the capability at 1/100th the operating cost.
Starbaby is thinking out of the container like some old school dudes we celebrate on this board, maybe we should think before we mock him. Yeah I get the point about the current state of strike eagle manning, but building a corps of aviators for this type of platform is NOT an impossible task. How many guard/reserve units are in danger of losing or have already lost their F-16s/A-10s/F-15s? Something tells me we could think out of the container and find a way to stand up a cadre and build up from there. In this kind of scenario we might even increase pilot production...we might marry light-attack units to Reaper units...so many possibilities to advance the art and thought of airpower are crapped on because of myopia.
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Argh...small minds...
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Can you build a model of my desk, for my desk...well actually it is more of a cube complete with useless staff packages.
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Sure I feel pride about doing my job but I still hate it with a passion. It's not like if I died today that some grunts on the ground would be in jeopardy. Big Blue would just find someone else and train them to do the job. I'm bitter because the AF could fill these positions with qualified and willing people if they so desired but instead they waste all the time/effort/money they previously spent training me to be an IP.
Where to start...perhaps with some empathy, I get it, trust me...I get it. I could tell you horror stories about getting banked, no fighter slots, nonsensical rated force management, and on and on. Bottomline brother, sometimes life is not fair.
I will not throw service in your face, I won't patronize you with the "satisfaction from the mission" speech, and I won't ignore the fact that you got a bad deal. Perhaps the best advice I can give you is to deal with it and move on. Not trying to tell you tough love is the answer, just saying that if you can't change it, do the best you can and move on so you can enjoy your life.
Having myself been a victim of some past rated force management issues (banking), I watched some of my friends go through some very destructive over a three year period. When I showed up to my non-flying job I was lucky enough to have a navigator as a squadron commander who listened to my sob story and gave me a few minutes to play the martyr. He understood my situation at the end of the meeting he told me I had two choices, I could wallow in it, or I could make the most of this assignment and forward. I went home that day and spent the weekend doing a little soul-searching. Ultimately, I decided to make the most of it and I while I wanted to be out flying, I actually enjoyed my banked job and it ended up opening a lot of doors for me down the road.
If there is one constant in the Air Force it is "things change". We probably change too much, but situations change, policies change, and people change. Don't let your bitterness prevent you from making a difference and being ready when things change.
I wish you the very best.
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1st and foremost, everyone gets the math wrong. The 10 year commitment starts AFTER you complete UPT, so in reality it is a 11 year commitment.
Today, most pilot will continue flying at the 11 year point, some will go to school and staff jobs, but the priority is to fill cockpits and the needs of the warfighter.
Your question lacks some logic..."is it bad to get out?"..."commissioned officers are never really out?" #1. the grading of good or bad when getting out at 11 years something you have to decide. Financial matters and career opportunity are the driving factors, not what someone else thinks. #2. When you get out you are technically in the inactive reserve, but it has been a LONG time since anyone was called back from that status.
Realistically, at 11 years you will be a pinned on major making good money and at the height of your aeronautical skills. Uncle Sam is not dumb, they know getting you to this point increases the odds you will stay out of a feeling of security if nothing else. In the end, it is a personal choice you should make with your family.
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They keep breaking.
Well played.
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I tried to go through my SE shop to get this (which unfortunately is the NAF at a non-flying location) and was given the "Why do you want to see this?" followed by silence. If anybody can get steer me in the right direction, please PM.
Similar issue as I am out of the normal channels. If anyone has a link or other method please PM and I will provide a .mil address.
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e-Snacko does 'em, too. My squadron just had them do a run for everyone last month.
I sent Esnacko a note last night and they replied that they do not do visor covers.
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Although I found a fantastic replacement for Makers in the form of "Peter Jake's Private Keep." A friend works for a distributor and acquired two bottles for me...a superb, smooth bourbon...unfortunately, I can't seem to find it anywhere, reward to anyone who can.