Checks Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 https://hireourheroes.org/free-travel/#sthash.91GuTzsz.dpbs Chizz, I clicked on the link and it says "This current promotion has ended...", sorry :( Still though, that's pretty awesome of SWA to have done that. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
chizz Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Sorry, didn't mean to spam with bad gouge. Just want everyone to get the most info since it's not coming from where it should be
tunes Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 To add more rumor to the fire...the sister sq CC got off the phone with afpc this morning and he said he strongly believes today is the day......so I give it a 5% chance Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! 1
MooseAg03 Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I've heard that in my squadron as well. Has everyone checked for any DOS updates today? Nothing has changed so far on any of my stuff. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Mish_Hacker Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Still no change for me today... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Lumbergh Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I just received my RIF Preselection Brief, so there's that. Now, let me quit before you can fire me
Snuggie Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I got the "hey we need your info because you are up for the RIF" email right before my checkride. That was exciting. What I don't get is the # of 2008 11Ms that need to go didn't seem to change from FY14 to FY15. Either nobody applied for VSP or they denied everybody because of their ADSCs. Can't wait to see how this plays out in October.
Checks Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Well seeing how it's almost closing time at AFPC (assuming they haven't left already) and there is no change to my CMS, SURF DOS or smoke signals...looks like we're more likely in for another disappointing day. Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
FLY6584 Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I got the "hey we need your info because you are up for the RIF" email right before my checkride. That was exciting. What I don't get is the # of 2008 11Ms that need to go didn't seem to change from FY14 to FY15. Either nobody applied for VSP or they denied everybody because of their ADSCs. Can't wait to see how this plays out in October. Those numbers are pre-VSP numbers. Nobody with a remaining ADSC has been selected for VSP aside from a couple rare cases. Expect those numbers to change if and when they ever make their final decisions on those of us that put in for the VSP.
Karl Hungus Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Top tier work at afpc, huh chizz? Btw, I'm sure everyone has read the SECAFs email? "Make every dollar count: all in, all the time." Huh?? What a propoganda campaign. When is she going to realize how much money has been wasted for this entire Force Management debacle? On the bright side, only 28 days until the World Cup!! She's a politician. Just like the rest of our "senior leaders".
FLY6584 Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if all pilot year groups close out prior to the 2015 RIF. The pilots that are worried about the RIF are nuts because there are plenty of guys that are willing to get out voluntarily. In my opinion no pilot needs to be worried about being forced out if you actually want to still be apart of this sorry excuse for an organization.
FLY6584 Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 I just got off the phone with the TFSC and was told the VSP folks have gone home for the day and she re-stated that Mid-May doesn't mean 15 May and that the Squadron Commanders who heard otherwise are full of a shit. What a joke. Can't say I really expected anything else from them.
Charlie17Chick Posted May 15, 2014 Posted May 15, 2014 Haha, no, but it sure as heck looks like 10 days (business days even) after the window closed! Why, for the love of per diem, can we not get any accountability for this disaster? Get on with it already, so we can figure out how the next several months of our lives will pan out! Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
AnimalMother Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if all pilot year groups close out prior to the 2015 RIF. The pilots that are worried about the RIF are nuts because there are plenty of guys that are willing to get out voluntarily. In my opinion no pilot needs to be worried about being forced out if you actually want to still be apart of this sorry excuse for an organization. Isn't that what we said in 2010? Haha, no, but it sure as heck looks like 10 days (business days even) after the window closed! Why, for the love of per diem, can we not get any accountability for this disaster? Get on with it already, so we can figure out how the next several months of our lives will pan out! Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Accountability? Is that a thing in the Air Force these days? Interesting...
tunes Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Well so much for today.... Our commander has said he doesn't know what to tell us anymore since afpc says one thing to them and then does another...all he said now is that they can't hold out forever Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
BFM this Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Isn't that what we said in 2010? And 2011 Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
tunes Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 I got an email from finance saying I’m eligible for the 2015 RIF and to get my records in order. So much for not being eligible for involuntary boards if you apply for a voluntary one. This process is downright criminal. 2 issues: 1. since its the FY15 RIF its technically a separate program and a different FY FM program 2. Our commander asked AFPC and they said if any vsp requires any sort of adsc waiver that part is invalid and you are eligible for an involuntary program.
FLY6584 Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 The best deal would be to get denied for the VSP and then RIF'd anyways because you would still get the same 1.25 VSP payment, but you would also get transition benefits like 6 months of Tricare, base priviledges for 2 years, and a few more months on AD to save money and log hours.
gator2 Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 If this is in fact against his intent (I agree that it probably is), why has nobody brought this up to him? Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
tunes Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 That’s a load of crap and defies the intent stated by the CSAF. How does it make sense to have someone meet a RIF board that was denied VSP? Didn’t Welsh say this is the exact situation he wanted to prevent? Also, how does an ADSC wavier play a factor into this? Does this mean my application for VSP is invalid because I needed a wavier even though wavier authority was approved (yet not used as of present). AFPC is using semantics to go around what has been clearly stated by Welsh. Disclaimer: My anger is not directed at you, AFPC is the intended target. trust me, i'm in the same boat as you...just repeating what i was told when my cc posed the question....
Lumbergh Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) 2 issues: 1. since its the FY15 RIF its technically a separate program and a different FY FM program 2. Our commander asked AFPC and they said if any vsp requires any sort of adsc waiver that part is invalid and you are eligible for an involuntary program. AFPC is wrong again. They needed authority to waive certain ADSCs for FY14 Force Management Programs. Remember PDSM 13-65 which outlined all FY14 FM programs and said that certain commitments weren't waiverable, namely UPT. They used 13-65 as an excuse to kick back some VSP apps saying they didn't have waiver authority. Well, they received authority to waive a sh!tton of ADSCs. AFPC needs to stop FVCKING around, read their god damn PSDMs, and then here's the kicker....DO THEIR JOB. If I can sort through all of these PSDMs since December and comprehend what they're saying and do my real job, they can do theirs (which is actually to read the PDSMs and implement them). If this shit keeps up, we're going to need force management resiliency training! Edited May 16, 2014 by Lumbergh 1
tunes Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 i'm really hoping for the typical AFPC friday afternoon push out of the approvals.....
Dubs Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Just found out that I'm RIF eligible as well. This ought to be fun when they disapprove VSP for a bunch of us and then turn around and RIF us...
Checks Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 Just found out that I'm RIF eligible as well. This ought to be fun when they disapprove VSP for a bunch of us and then turn around and RIF us... To be honest I would be thrilled to be RIF eligible, because if AFPC doesn't learn from it's 2011 mistake (and it's seriously looking that way) then you can send in a letter and get your 1.00 pay and get out of this effing clown show. While the rest of us are just pleading and begging our PC paperwork goes through. I know plenty of buddies who got RIF'd in 2011 and have big smiles on their faces! Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App!
Dubs Posted May 16, 2014 Posted May 16, 2014 To be honest I would be thrilled to be RIF eligible, because if AFPC doesn't learn from it's 2011 mistake (and it's seriously looking that way) then you can send in a letter and get your 1.00 pay and get out of this effing clown show. While the rest of us are just pleading and begging our PC paperwork goes through. I know plenty of buddies who got RIF'd in 2011 and have big smiles on their faces! Posted from the NEW Baseops.net App! Haha, yeah some people I work with were pissed when they found out, but I'm actually pretty excited. I now have 3 chances to escape and definitely plan on going the "Do Not Retain Me" letter route with the RIF board. If I somehow f*ck this up, I have much bigger problems!
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