FY 14 Force Management Program (RIF, VSP, TERA)

[Butters]

thank you for repeating this for the 69,000th time in my career. This is precisely why I'll trade my flight suit for an airline uniform. At least there i know my line number and how many people i have between me and being furloughed.

Really? You know your line number? Please explain how that worked out for AirTran pilots. My count says the #1 guy dropped to #1,648 when they merged with SWA.

[chim richalds]

Really? You know your line number? Please explain how that worked out for AirTran pilots. My count says the #1 guy dropped to #1,648 when they merged with SWA.

You really are a snarky sob. My comment was made that at least I know how many people I have between me and getting furloughed. Even @ 1600, that guy has a lot if people between him and the unemployment line.

Edited April 12, 2014 by chim richalds

[MooseAg03]

Really? You know your line number? Please explain how that worked out for AirTran pilots. My count says the #1 guy dropped to #1,648 when they merged with SWA.

It's all relative, top out Capt pay at AirTran was $174/hr and at Southwest it is $216/hr. That pilot had the potential to gain a 24% increase in pay, unless that drop in seniority pushed him/her back to the right seat. Sure the QOL probably dropped with the loss of seniority but the increased future earning potential cannot be denied. The benefit was even greater for those lower in AirTran's pilot pool with more years available at higher pay, sure the top guy on any seniority list is going to resist any changes that take away that advantage, but you have to look at what it did for the remainder of the group as well.

Edited April 13, 2014 by MooseAg03

[CosmoPilot]

Did AFPC work today. The end of the week is today for those PSDMs...no worries, they just changed the verbiage to "will be coming"

YCMTSU!!!!

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[tunes]

Do we know for sure they are only going to release 40 pilots? Source?

I'm assuming thats just his yr group overage

[Vspapplicant]

So what we know about VSP applications at this point--They go from the member (who can select if they want to be considered for a reserve commission) to the squadron commander, to the wing commander to AFPC for batch processing. The Squadron Commander can recommend approval or disapproval and indicate if you are excess to local requirements and under investigation, etc. The Wing Commander then recommends approval or disapproval with comments.

When you check the status under -View my application- on vMPF for those past the Wing/CC phase it says "referred to BPO"

However, if you access the Case Management system under the homepage of vMPF for some people it says "AFPC OFF Voluntary Separation Pay" or "referred to BPO"

It would seem that those members who have an application status of "AFPC OFF Voluntary Separation Pay" are checked out and ready for approval -- but that is pending actually needing to approve their application based on the matrix updating.

After speaking with a member at the TFSC, she stated that she is not sure when applications for the majority of rated members will be -- but for some reason she thought it would be 1 May or 7 May.

What did most people put on their application for AFRC? Is it reasonable to think that if the member is eligible (with the newly announced waivers) and the application made it to "AFPC OFF Voluntary Separation Pay" if there is a need in their year group to reduce the number of rated officers, their application will be approved?

[shweaty]

A couple more 02 11M's approved. C-17 Type

[chizz]

I'm assuming thats just his yr group overage

correct, 02 11Ms it was 40 something i believe

Edited April 13, 2014 by chizz

[Fozzy Bear]

Regardless of ADSC, has anyone been denied and successfully reapplied?

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[tunes]

Regardless of ADSC, has anyone been denied and successfully reapplied?

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Yes. I originally applied at 0004 when the window opened and was denied in the first batch for UPT ADSC. I re applied in March and have been at afpc for the past 2 weeks or so

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[Fozzy Bear]

Cool. Thanks

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[Sierra Hotel]

How did you guys know that the '02 year group is +40? Is that published somewhere? Let the public flogging commence if I missed this somewhere... Anyone know the overage for '05?

-SH

[lossofclocklossofdata]

How did you guys know that the '02 year group is +40? Is that published somewhere? Let the public flogging commence if I missed this somewhere... Anyone know the overage for '05?

-SH

It was on the RIF overage matrix before they took it down in Feb. I can't remember exactly but I think we(05) were around 18%-22% overage out of those eligible (64 overage out of 280ish eligible)? Edited April 13, 2014 by lossofclocklossofdata

[Charlie17Chick]

How did you guys know that the '02 year group is +40? Is that published somewhere? Let the public flogging commence if I missed this somewhere... Anyone know the overage for '05?

-SH

Back on the RIF matrix published in Jan, the 2005 11M were overmanned by 84 out of 466 eligible, which is about 18% of our year/AFSC. This could have changed in the past 3 months of course, but they haven't published new numbers like that for officers to my knowledge .

[lossofclocklossofdata]

Back on the RIF matrix published in Jan, the 2005 11M were overmanned by 84 out of 466 eligible, which is about 18% of our year/AFSC. This could have changed in the past 3 months of course, but they haven't published new numbers like that for officers to my knowledge .

That sounds more like it

[chizz]

SH, bend over

Edited April 13, 2014 by chizz

[Shut up 'n color]

Now that it seems like "Batch 1" has been announced, does anyone know the next timeline? I'm sure it's all full of inaccuracies at this point, but after 1 May, is there any idea when announcements from that Batch are supposed to be announced? Is the required DOS the same of NLT end of September?

[tunes]

checked mine in cms, it went from At AFPC Vol Sep in march to now it says it only got there April 10....really confused on that one.

[Bender]

checked mine in cms, it went from At AFPC Vol Sep in march to now it says it only got there April 10....really confused on that one.

That was easy. ;)

Bendy

[Dubs]

It would seem that those members who have an application status of "AFPC OFF Voluntary Separation Pay" are checked out and ready for approval -- but that is pending actually needing to approve their application based on the matrix updating.

Are you saying that if an applicant has this status and their AFSC/year still needs people cut, that AFPC has already pre-approved them?

[Sierra Hotel]

I called and talked to AFPC... She (the level 1 rep) looked into my account and on the back side of their gonculator it says "pending TL approval". The rep said this means Team Lead and she inferred this is the last step prior to approval but wasn’t entirely sure nor did she have any idea on how long it will take to get an answer.

My current status in CMS shows "referred to off voluntary separation pay". Take it for what it's worth but I won’t believe anything until I have my orders in hand.

-SH

[shweaty]

My current status in CMS shows "referred to off voluntary separation pay". Take it for what it's worth but I wont believe anything until I have my orders in hand.

-SH

Look at the previously assigned agencies box below in CMS.

I show AFPC OFF VOLUNTARY SEPERATION PAY. In the box above I show, referred to AFPC OFF VOLUNTARY SEPERATION PAY. If you have both if these you are at the last stop. However, I've been at this crossroad since 4 March.

I've talked to the TFSC numerous times and the technician said it's the final approval/disapproval stage. Based on the current trend it's all the 02 11M that are being processed now. Hopefully they can crank out 2 yr groups a week.

Edited April 14, 2014 by shweaty

[Pilot Mom]

Are you continued or a LtCol? What it looks like is the Air Force is cleaning house on the continued Majors but haven't approved any under 19 year LtCols yet (a big yet!)

I'm a Lt Col, just over 15 years. As of this morning I still haven't heard anything on TERA. My commander was able to push my RNLTD to 31 July. I did see that most of the people getting approved were Majors...I wonder if they wil meet their numbers with Majors and deny the rest of us. It would be nice to know! The "we hope to have an answer on all TERA applications by the end of the week...." was last week. So obviously they didn't meet that 'hopeful suspense' either.

[flyjetz]

PSDM 14-32 (TERA Phase III) is now posted on myPERS. I'm stepping to fly, so I haven't read it in full. But from the very quick glance I took, it looks like it applies to all deployed officers and those with pending deployments. It also applies to those ineligible under TERA Phase II, but now eligible due to changes in the voluntary program matrix. Retirement effective dates must be NLT the first day of the fourth month after returning from deployment for those deployed, or 1 Sep 14, for those in the second category. I could be off on my facts, as I have not read through it all.

Edited April 14, 2014 by flyjetz

[FBomb]

PSDM 14-08, VSP, was also updated. Looks like major changes to the rules WRT deployments and 365's.

EDIT: Changes have also been made to the new ADSC waiver table previously posted on MyPers. Looks like recoupment will now be required for any AFIT/AAD's paid for by big blue. Note says that HAF is in the process of approving/disapproving waiver to this policy.

Edited April 14, 2014 by FBomb