North48 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 On a positive note, my 1405 date was updated today on my CDB. First positive movement I've seen since 7 Mar. Still wondering who the "500" newly ineligibles are?? Once again, speak up HAF/AFPC and give some specifics.
Mountain Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Hey 48, Shaft had a 1405 date too. They put it in sometime last week apparently. Nothing for me yet, but fingers crossed. For those unaware, the 1405 date is based on US Code section 1405 (hence the name). It's the date your retirement pay will be calculated based upon. It's automatically entered on your CDB (accessible on vMPF) when you hit 17 years as an E, 18 years as an O, or upon retirement. In other words, if you aren't one of the first two and have seen a date show up in that block (right above your DoS) recently, SOMEbody thinks you're retiring soon. 1
Mish_Hacker Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Based on the initial RIF matrix, there were 2563 pilots (11X) eligible for the RIF in the 2005-2008 year groups. Of those eligible, there was an estimated overage of 415, all with UPT ADSC remaining. So, does AFPC now decide that 16% overage is no longer an overage? Or is VSP only available to those in the 2001-2003 year groups which has an overage of 135 (10%) of 1298 eligible (though some may still have ADSCs in those year groups). For those without ADSCs, it seems a bit wasteful for the Air Force to pay these people to get out, when they already have the option to separate or face the RIF. The VSP is more useful to provide those who don't already have the option to separate with an opportunity to forgo the trouble of meeting the RIF board. Plus, UPT ADSCs were waived in '07; how is the rationale different this time? So no new 13-130 which is supposed to cover RIF and VSP for RIF eligible officers. Can we safely assume that 14-08 supercedes 13-130 now for RIF eligible officers applying for VSP? I'm still assuming a lot, though I doubt any of it is safe. It would seem that AFPC would identify overages for the RIF prior to processing VSP applications. However, it would also seem appropriate to know what your plan is before you start a program, but that obviously did not happen either.
Guest Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 A fellow I know at AFPC says that UPT ADSCs won't be waived, for what that's worth. A guy I know at the medical group says your records are lost. See? I also can post random, uninformed rumor based on a general distrust of an organization. 1
Nasty2004 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw UPT ADSC waivers pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. 1
Fozzy Bear Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 BWAHAHAAAA AHAHAHAHAAA. Damn, my wife did NOT find that as funny and awesome as I did.
chim richalds Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Those of you who come on here to pour cold water on our hopes and have little info to add can go yourselves 2
tunes Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 so the new 14-08 refers you to 13-65 which still says UPT ADSC not waived....wtf and those of us that already got denials for UPT ADSC will have to reapply? Seems like the early adopters lose out since I would imagine IF they start approving pilots the guys that applied earlier would get it first (yeah yeah i know its not first come first serve, but let's be real) and those of us that applied in hour 1 that were denied will have new application dates of nowish.
HoHum Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 From the article... "The Air Force could not make these waiver delegation determinations earlier because the service needed to have a better idea of who was going to apply, he said. 'You don't know who's applying,' Cox said. 'Before you can go get a delegation of authority, you need to understand what it is that you need to waive, if it's required.'"
discus Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) Sorry for the ignorance but what's the CBD? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_OJVl0LE4CQ Edit: whoops I read CDB. Smart ass attempt; fail. Edited March 18, 2014 by discus
LettersVSandP Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) so the new 14-08 refers you to 13-65 which still says UPT ADSC not waived....wtf and those of us that already got denials for UPT ADSC will have to reapply? Seems like the early adopters lose out since I would imagine IF they start approving pilots the guys that applied earlier would get it first (yeah yeah i know its not first come first serve, but let's be real) and those of us that applied in hour 1 that were denied will have new application dates of nowish. I heard from my chain of command today that people denied due to ADSC will be able to resubmit their original application; much like adding a new document to an existing application without having to route it through Sq and Wg Commanders. You'd think it would also have the original time stamp on it. Of course, this is assuming AFPC has been granted the waiver authority and I don't have an email chain originating from AFPC, so I'm just passing along the rumor at this point. In the absence of actual guidance, it's the best we can do. (That should be our new third core value.) Edited March 18, 2014 by LettersVSandP
Mish_Hacker Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Still wondering who the "500" newly ineligibles are?? Once again, speak up HAF/AFPC and give some specifics. It would be nice for AFPC to notify these individuals and THEN make a press release. It seems that this process is: Protect Manufacture the appearance of competence at AFPC, then clean up the details later. Speaking of notification of eligibles, weren't we all supposed to receive an email in December notifying us of the programs for which we were eligible?
Liquid Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I agree that people definitely need to be fired, but are you saying that it should be limited to A1/AFPC types? I'm not saying that there should be some sort of witch hunt, but I think the CSAF could very quickly gain a lot of that thrust back that has been lost by replacing a few managers with Leaders... and he could start at the Wing Commander level. I have a few old bosses that are O-6/O-7s now who are true leaders that I would follow anywhere. They see the mess and know what they can do to fix it, but they are holding back because if they rock the boat too much they know they will be done, so they just fix what little they think they can. I don't know you, Liquid... but from the majority of your posts on here you sound like you might be one of these types of guys. If the CSAF empowered these Leaders and backed them up with the common sense changes we need... you'd get not only that thrust back, but some of that trust back. I agree Rusty. We need more action, less talk. More leaders, fewer managers. We have toxic, self serving and underperforming commanders at many levels and they should be removed. Many old bosses, me included, are no longer commanders and can only influence decision makers from the staff. It is not so much about fear of rocking the boat as no authority to make change. Commanders need to be held accountable for their unit's climate, morale and performance. Commanders must also hold staffs accountable for how well they support. Senior commanders must be held responsible for their subordinate commander performance. I don't know the details, but it looks like USAFE just did this. CSAF has the ultimate authority and responsibility to make the common sense changes we need. The best way to notify CSAF and MAJCOM commanders of bad leaders, those who are abusive, self-serving and immoral is through the IG process. It is not perfect but it is more effective than complaining on a message board. 4
OregonHerc Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) The problem with that is that things can and do get covered up by the IG process or leadership that can never be proven as retaliation. Just my opinion. Edited March 18, 2014 by OregonHerc
tunes Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I heard from my chain of command today that people denied due to ADSC will be able to resubmit their original application; much like adding a new document to an existing application without having to route it through Sq and Wg Commanders. You'd think it would also have the original time stamp on it. Of course, this is assuming AFPC has been granted the waiver authority and I don't have an email chain originating from AFPC, so I'm just passing along the rumor at this point. In the absence of actual guidance, it's the best we can do. (That should be our new third core value.) would be nice if this is the case
Mountain Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Sorry for the ignorance but what's the CBD? CDB. Career Data Brief. You'll find the link on the left side of your vMPF page.
Mountain Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Oh, and that's not ignorance. That's the result of me not communicating clearly.
Catbox Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Oh, and that's not ignorance. That's the result of me not communicating clearly. Nah...all my brain can is think "click mypers...click baseops...lie on an EPR...repeat" 2
Mountain Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Nah...all my brain can is think "click mypers...click baseops...lie on an EPR...repeat" Well, now you have a NEW page to check every 6-9 min.
FLY6584 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) I just sat through the biggest clown show I have yet to see in the Air Force. The SECAF just visited our deployed location today to speak with us and answer questions that were on the minds of our Airmen. Just prior to the speech the senior leaders said they had 10 individuals in the crowd with pre-planned questions to insure there wouldn't be any "silence" when asked for volunteers, but that we were all encouraged to ask anything we wanted. I had come to the speech with a question prepared that explained that according to AFPC, 2563 pilots from the 2005-2008 year groups were eligible for the RIF/VSP with a reported overage of 415 pilots, but that many of us had applied and had been denied due to our ADSC's and that they were currently seeking SECAF approval to waive those ADSC's. I just wanted to ask if she planned on waiving those ADSC's and if those of us that have been denied should reapply as the 1 May deadline is fast approaching. Quite possibly the most appropriate question for the SECAF who just got done speaking about force shaping, current overages, and people being her number one priority in her speech. Well the people with the microphones only called on 4 people that had pre-planned questions and then we were told there was not enough time for anymore questions. I had raised my hand every single time as high as I possibly could and made direct eye contact with the people with microphones, but was ignored every single time. They asked questions about sexual assault, the future of our deployed location, and a couple other things that absolutely no one in the room cared about. I have never been more disappointed with this organization. If I could resign my commission and turn my wings in today I would. Edited March 18, 2014 by FLY6584
Mountain Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) I tried to log on and vMPF was not workingShit! They're onto us... Edited March 18, 2014 by Mountain
tunes Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I just sat through the biggest clown show I have yet to see in the Air Force. The SECAF just visited our deployed location today to speak with us and answer questions that were on the minds of our Airmen. Just prior to the speech the senior leaders said they had 10 individuals in the crowd with pre-planned questions to insure there wouldn't be any "silence" when asked for volunteers, but that we were all encouraged to ask anything we wanted. I had come to the speech with a question prepared that explained that according to AFPC, 2563 pilots from the 2005-2008 year groups were eligible for the RIF/VSP with a reported overage of 415 pilots, but that many of us had applied and had been denied due to our ADSC's and that they were currently seeking SECAF approval to waive those ADSC's. I just wanted to ask if she planned on waiving those ADSC's and if those of us that have been denied should reapply as the 1 May deadline is fast approaching. Quite possibly the most appropriate question for the SECAF who just got done speaking about force shaping, current overages, and people being her number one priority in her speech. Well the people with the microphones only called on 4 people that had pre-planned questions and then we were told there was not enough time for anymore questions. I had raised my hand every single time as high as I possibly could and made direct eye contact with the people with microphones, but was ignored every single time. They asked questions about sexual assault, the future of our deployed location, and a couple other things that absolutely no one in the room cared about. I have never been more disappointed with this organization. If I could resign my commission and turn my wings in today I would. sorry man, shitty...but to be expected unfortunately.
ExBoneOSO Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 How much do you want to bet that when the AF Times article comes out, it'll say how great the visit was... I just sat through the biggest clown show I have yet to see in the Air Force. ......
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