In my unit they are now saying masters and AWC to get O6.

Good thing I am an LT hiding in majors clothes.

Around here, AWC has always been required for O-6.

We were told last UTA that no school = DNP. 

By school you mean PME not Masters, right?  DNP is pretty harsh.  162nd getting tough!

Yes, PME.

Hello everyone. I recently crossed over from the USMC to the ANG as a pilot. This February I’ll hit seven years as a Captain/O3. I was told by my unit that I need to be with the unit for a year before being looked at for promotion to O4 under  ROPMA. Since I don’t have the Air Force SOS PME done or started, will this be the deciding factor for selection to O4? IMO, I’d rather not do it if I don’t need to. If it is required, if I’m atleast enrolled and or doing it but not complete, will this allow me to be selected? Thanks. 

8 hours ago, BrettTJ said:

Hello everyone. I recently crossed over from the USMC to the ANG as a pilot. This February I’ll hit seven years as a Captain/O3. I was told by my unit that I need to be with the unit for a year before being looked at for promotion to O4 under  ROPMA. Since I don’t have the Air Force SOS PME done or started, will this be the deciding factor for selection to O4? IMO, I’d rather not do it if I don’t need to. If it is required, if I’m atleast enrolled and or doing it but not complete, will this allow me to be selected? Thanks. 

What’s your background? I’m looking at doing the same but managed to knock out SOS last winter via distance learning. 

Its PME, so it’s not ideal, but it’s vastly superior to EWS which I chose not to complete. It only took two months.

C-130’s. You? Some of the guys in the squadron said not to do it until someone says something. Lol. Just wasn’t sure if anyone in our shoes has successfully promoted without it. I saw the writing on the wall with EWS too. Two years of PME when it’s not guaranteed to get you promoted.. Stupid... I saw too many good dudes waste their time with EWS only to get passed over. SOS 2.0 is a different program now. Not as easy as the previous course. Plus I’m up against a timeline now. In school learning the new aircraft and don’t have time for SOS. Won’t be done until April. This puts me past my 7 year mark. If anything, I might have to do resident SOS/PME. Not sure what NGB will do once they catch this. Lol 

Not sure if this is an ANG requirement or just my guard unit, but SOS was required for promotion to O-4.

8 hours ago, BrettTJ said:

C-130’s. You? Some of the guys in the squadron said not to do it until someone says something. Lol. Just wasn’t sure if anyone in our shoes has successfully promoted without it. I saw the writing on the wall with EWS too. Two years of PME when it’s not guaranteed to get you promoted.. Stupid... I saw too many good dudes waste their time with EWS only to get passed over. SOS 2.0 is a different program now. Not as easy as the previous course. Plus I’m up against a timeline now. In school learning the new aircraft and don’t have time for SOS. Won’t be done until April. This puts me past my 7 year mark. If anything, I might have to do resident SOS/PME. Not sure what NGB will do once they catch this. Lol 

Hornets. SOS 2.0 is the version that I completed. It really isn't that difficult. Two months vs. two years, it was a no brainer.

2 hours ago, Duck said:

Not sure if this is an ANG requirement or just my guard unit, but SOS was required for promotion to O-4.

We just had another guy promote to O-4 via ROPMA, that had not completed SOS.  Otherwise yes, we're required to have SOS completed.  

53 minutes ago, SocialD said:

We just had another guy promote to O-4 via ROPMA, that had not completed SOS.  Otherwise yes, we're required to have SOS completed.  

Was he in the process of doing SOS when he got promoted or had he not started it? Friends of mine in the USMC got promoted to O4 after they switched from active to Reserve not PME complete either. They hadn’t even started it it and promoted shortly after and they definitely were not seven year O3’s.  I realize this is a different service but it seems like it might be possible to do the same thing in the ANG. Why waste time doing something if it’s unnecessary right. Lol. It looks like some say it’s required and some say it not. Wish there was a Solid answer. 

2 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

Hornets. SOS 2.0 is the version that I completed. It really isn't that difficult. Two months vs. two years, it was a no brainer.

Yeah, no kidding right.. lol. Different topic but while I have your attention; so per the new AFI regarding SERE school, the Level C Navy/Marine SERE school isn’t accepted . It specifically calls out our school as not transferable to meet Air Force standards. So my unit is working on a waiver for me so I don’t have to do it again. Are you fighting the same battle? What a load of crap right. I might have to do SERE again. 

Are you talking to your unit?  They are the ones with the control. 

7 minutes ago, herkbum said:

Are you talking to your unit?  They are the ones with the control. 

Regarding SERE? Heck yeah I am. They don’t want to send me either. They’ve been trying to receive an answer from NGB for over three months about this but no response yet. Were you in a similar situation? 

2 hours ago, BrettTJ said:

Was he in the process of doing SOS when he got promoted or had he not started it? 

No.  He had signed up at one point, but that course had expired and he never reenrolled. 

2 hours ago, BrettTJ said:

Yeah, no kidding right.. lol. Different topic but while I have your attention; so per the new AFI regarding SERE school, the Level C Navy/Marine SERE school isn’t accepted . It specifically calls out our school as not transferable to meet Air Force standards. So my unit is working on a waiver for me so I don’t have to do it again. Are you fighting the same battle? What a load of crap right. I might have to do SERE again. 

My class leader in SERE was a former harrier driver (O-4 type) converting to Hogs in the ANG.  I'm not sure how much he fought the battle, but it's beyond ridiculous that the AF would not accept the Navy/Marine SERE.  As you can imagine, his excitement for being there was pretty low, the instructors picked up on it, he still didn't care.  It was pretty hilarious, while still sad...  Best of luck on the waiver.  

Edited November 12, 20178 yr by SocialD

Nope, talking about the promo to O-4. I can’t remember the requirement wrt SOS and O-4/ROPMA. Your unit should be able to provide the info. My unit requires SOS completion for promo to O-4. Your switching of service is very likely to cause a delay in your promo. 

Edited November 12, 20178 yr by herkbum

5 minutes ago, herkbum said:

Nope, talking about the promo to O-4. I can’t remember the requirement wrt SOS and O-4/ROPMA. Your unit should be able to provide the info. My unit requires SOS completion for promo to O-4. Your switching of service is very likely to cause a delay in your promo. 

I've seen this happen multiple times.

2 hours ago, BrettTJ said:

Yeah, no kidding right.. lol. Different topic but while I have your attention; so per the new AFI regarding SERE school, the Level C Navy/Marine SERE school isn’t accepted . It specifically calls out our school as not transferable to meet Air Force standards. So my unit is working on a waiver for me so I don’t have to do it again. Are you fighting the same battle? What a load of crap right. I might have to do SERE again. 

Shhh...

I've been deployed to a combat zone and managed to slip through the Navy/Marine SERE cracks. Wasn't planning on ever bringing it up if I make it into the AF Reserves/Guard and was hoping lightning might strike twice.

29 minutes ago, SocialD said:

No.  He had signed up at one point, but that course had expired and he never reenrolled. 

My class leader in SERE was a former harrier driver (O-4 type) converting to Hogs in the ANG.  I'm not sure how much he fought the battle, but it's beyond ridiculous that the AF would not accept the Navy/Marine SERE.  As you can imagine, his excitement for being there was pretty low, the instructors picked up on it, he still didn't care.  It was pretty hilarious, while still sad...  Best of luck on the waiver.  

Thanks man. This helps. So some say SOS is required and some not. I guess I’ll just wait until my unit says something about it. I hope the waiver for SERE works too. I don’t want to walk out of there again with another black eye. Several hard hits to the face caused that... Stupid huh. 

1 hour ago, matmacwc said:

I've seen this happen multiple times.

Yep, we’ve picked up a few USN and USMC recently; all have been affected.