...we knew how to run the charts and figure out IGE/OGE hover power. It's not that difficult.

In fact, it used to be part of the before landing checklist. Maybe the USN doesn't have a before landing checklist.

Well they don't have any FE's so why would they need them?

Well they don't have any FE's so why would they need them?

Good point, however, I assumed everyone has checklists.

Fighter guys just memorize theirs and the "crews" unlucky enough to have to fly w/o FEs, I assume, challenge and respond to one another as appropriate.

Are you sure the Navy doesn't have FEs on their choppers?

In fact, it used to be part of the before landing checklist. Maybe the USN doesn't have a before landing checklist.

They have to be reminded by ATC to "perform before landing checks" on base leg. Perhaps that's a causal factor.

In the Army we used Performance Planning Cards (PPCs), with is analogous to USAF TOLD cards. On the card, if I remember correctly, is a max OGE hover altitude and a max IGE hover altitude...so at your weight you knew beforehand how high you could enter a hover both IGE and OGE. As you burn off fuel, it'll only get better...or if you really want to know you can always re-run the chart...they have two pilots, no?

The UH's here have the same TOLD as the Army however our shiny TH's don't have the hover ceilings. Only the max weights that you can fly with in each condition. Don't know if the 60 is like that as well.

Are you sure the Navy doesn't have FEs on their choppers?

The Navy has enlisted "aircrewmen" on their helos. Depending on the airframe & mission, the crewman may not even have a maintenance background, much less be a no-kidding FE or crewchief (for us former USMC/USA types).

The Navy has enlisted "aircrewmen" on their helos.

The FE question was a joke. About checklists.

The FE question was a joke. About checklists.

Ahhh. Sarcasm detector's been intermittent lately...