Banzai

I remember many of you on here proclaiming the sanctity of the filibuster during Biden’s term (and even Obama’s). I am sorry you’re having to go through this, as I am certain you all are truly aghast at the possibility of your dear democratic norms evaporating.

Mamdani won. His policies are mostly poorly thought out populist ideas that have been tried to devastating effect in other places.

What is the fascination with Stalin (an actual radical left communist) all about?

No buddy, you’re implying that you can’t have any idea why this shutdown is occurring without me stating it. You’re not asking for my opinion, you’re asking for the opinion of the dems who are in the senate. It is very much publicized why the two sides are at a gridlock. You definitely have been exposed to this information - or you easily could be via simple searches. It’s a fallacious argument technique that you have probably become blind to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning The way this forum works is you - or someone likes you - acts as if an obvious public opinion isn’t common knowledge or explanatory, and then you nitpick whatever you’re told. It is not worth the time to explain basic public knowledge opinions that you act like they don’t exist when they very clearly do and are easily found. If you want to stop being obstinate and debate things that are well within the public sphere, I’m happy to argue nuance with you. For example, I know that a significant part of the republican justification for this bill is increase support for immigration enforcement and a significant slashing of government entitlement benefits in the name of fiscal responsibility.

I’d rather not, why don’t you just go ahead and google that yourself. Or do you have to be told what to think? How can someone introduce a resolution is the house is literally never opened? That’s the problem, buckeroo, probably something you aren’t aware of. Now if you’d like to walk the dog down your “logical” path and explain how it is justified that the house isn’t open during a government shutdown that is dependent on congress as a whole passing legislation to fund the government, would love for you to try to stumble your way through that mental exercise. I predict you probably aren’t interested.

Is that what I said? Huh… noted. Virtually no one here, to include you, has addressed the reasons this shutdown exists with the exception of many that feel sMaRT because they can regurgitate standard issue, entirely baseless, propaganda about desires to fund illegal immigrant healthcare.

I agree with this. But it’s not disproportionately hurting dems, which was your insinuation. The logical conclusion of this is that neither party is incentivized to do anything, because neither is being significantly “hurt”. I believe this will lead to a long shutdown.

Data doesn’t support this - republicans still firmly more to blame as of now. https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/boston/news/government-shutdown-blame-poll/ 6 points say it’s the republicans fault https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3938 6 points say republicans to blame https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trumps-approval-edges-up-despite-americans-blaming-republicans-shutdown-2025-10-21/ 7 point disadvantage for republicans https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/poll-government-shutdown-blame/2025/10/15/id/1230523/ Even newsmax confirms it a 6 point disparity.

Republicans and the house absolutely have a choice - the burden of proof is on you to show that they do not. You cannot. What legal mechanism prohibits this? Why do you believe they dont? They have a choice to cancel house sessions during a shutdown, which is happening. They also have a choice to operate. They also have sworn in members of the republican party this year when the house was not in session. Congress can swear in people via votes - congress can swear in their own members (who were elected by the American people as representatives) via a much lower threshold of authority. Pull the wool over your eyes, give me a break buddy.

Congress yesterday voted to instate a conservative judge in Alabama.

Same bro, the condescension from you is palpable.

You know that government spending is up this year, right? Until you address that, it really invalidates your guys’ entire narrative.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115398251623299921 Yeah the president of the US posted a video of him as a king dropping feces on American protesters from a fighter jet. Libs = owned

The house works during government shutdowns.

It’s not though. This isn’t about “media talking points.” Adelita Grijalva’s election was certified by Arizona’s secretary of state, the House majority simply refused to schedule her swearing-in. That’s on the official record. The last time Congress blocked a certified member from taking the oath was over a century ago, and it was condemned by both parties as a constitutional failure. Calling that “both sides” is just factually wrong. Only one side controls the calendar. As a point of order, earlier in this Congress, new members from special elections (e.g., two Florida Republicans and a Virginia Democrat) were sworn in within 24 hours of their election, while the House was not in full session. Just wanna confirm that your alls response as to why this time is justified is the Gov shutdown? Can we just get that one on record? You say “no one cares about Epstein.” That’s convenient and pathetically incorrect. The issue isn’t the man, it’s whether Congress will release federal files that may implicate powerful people from both parties. That’s transparency, not gossip. Brushing it off only shows how partisanship outweighs curiosity about corruption. And sure, both parties have their narcissists, but equating systemic obstruction with ordinary dysfunction is a false balance. Trust in Congress has dropped from nearly 70 percent in the 1970s to about 20 percent today. That decline tracks perfectly with the rise of tribal loyalty over constitutional duty. We all swore an oath once. It wasn’t to a party, and it wasn’t to a personality cult. Watching people on this forum who once understood that retreat behind cynicism and call it realism, it’s hard to decide whether that’s sadder or more dangerous.

Republican congress shuts down and refuses to swear in an elected democrat, Adelina Grijalva. Recess and closing within minutes has been the entire modus operandi the last two months. Now I ask all of you, what is the moral justification? And yes, I recognize that FoxNews has literally no stories on this, so there are no preapproved talking points. Probably has nothing to do with the fact that only one more person is all that’s required to force a vote on the Epstein files. Why are they so scared? And why didn’t you know about it?

And who would this war be with?

Wait? We had a civil war?

You guys see the warzone that is Portland? https://x.com/BoLoudon/status/1975665503759966258 Should probably call up federal troops to put down the uprising. Probably around 2003. Afghanistan was a good time where 90% of society was on the same page, ever so briefly - Bush overextended - here we are. Had a chance in 2008 to come together against the 1% who caused the financial crash but turns out they own the media and convinced that movement to focus on Obamas birth certificate instead of systemic class problems. Then citizens united happened in 2010 and the country’s fate was sealed. And voila, here we are. Many otherwise well intentioned people on here no longer know if the Russians are the bad guys - but they damn well hate the “progressives.” It is a deep symptom of societal rot when it is partisan to want to know who is associated with epstein.

In the US of today, partisan identity has replaced national identity.

Well that response doesn't make any sense at all.

Ends justify the means, eh?

Curious why you would say that about Massie. Which of his stances are “hot air?” MTG has legitimate conspiracy theory brain. Big difference between that and having some sort of values. Is it just the Epstein thing?

Republicans calling out Mike Johnson saying he’s complicit in covering up the files.

Ironically this response is a masterclass in fallacies. Whataboutism (“others waste money too”), false equivalence (comparing a mass GO recall for every senior leader to routine TDYs), red herring (ranting about DoD identity when the question was whether the TDY was justified), ad hominem (calling folks political hacks, retarded), and a false dilemma (“either in person or useless Teams call”). Nice work dudes!