Banzai

For the record, I have absolutely no issue with arresting and prosecuting everyone who is waving Mexican flags while setting cars on fire. F those people. I know that’s going to be the response here - attack a straw man. I have significant issue with using an event that should be handled with law enforcement and/or natl guard as a way to overreach executive power unconstitutionally, and I am honestly appalled at this forum’s complacency about it.

Wrong, get better, be smarter, don’t be a sheep.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/06/department-of-defense-security-for-the-protection-of-department-of-homeland-security-functions/ Currently threatening to deploy active duty marines to California. Thanks geniuses.

Just the president of the US directly threatening someone over free speech. Somehow this is both constitutional AND moral. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-elon-musk-consequences-funds-democratic-candidates-rcna211605

Another masterclass in putting hands over ears and going lalala. About 5 fallacies present in the last three posts - pretty standard.

Oh this is an atheism thread now? In human history there have been somewhere on the order of 3,000 gods in mainstream religions. You guys believe in one god, which means you do not believe in 2,999 others. What’s one more? It is actually obvious that we are all atheists. We just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why we dismiss yours.

Who is this?

Evidence only of a biased news corps. Reminder that more Americans than ever support an increased US role in the Russo-Ukraine war. https://news.gallup.com/poll/658193/support-greater-role-ukraine-climbs-high.aspx

https://apnews.com/article/congress-tax-cuts-trump-f2c60ae5c7c1313de69446f9ac7176e6 Is increasing the federal deficit $3.8T something that “had to be done” just like the tariffs? What’s the plan guys? https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2025-05/61422-Reconciliation-Distributional-Analysis.pdf

Uhh, yeah.

A Field Guide to Rhetorical Deflection by @Lord Ratner Step 1. Dismiss evidence that contradicts your biases without addressing its substance. Step 2. Label ethical concerns as "childish" when unable to refute them on merit. Step 3. Resort to personal attacks rather than engaging with documented historical context. Step 4. Invoke military experience to shield weak arguments from scrutiny. Step 5. Use condescension as a substitute for substantive counterpoints. Step 6. Characterize principled consistency ("killing civilians is bad") as naive rather than acknowledging ethical complexity.

I don’t think I sit in echo chambers, just like you think you don’t. So I’m probably being unfair, but it’s the internet I guess. At the same time, anecdotal evidence doesn’t mean that they correspond with real prices. Even if my eggs were $7, that would not mean everyone’s were. Just like your eggs being 3.69 doesn’t mean average prices significantly decreased. The egg prices from the source you quoted (I am familiar) are not retail cost: “The egg prices refer to the national FOB average prices of white large eggs in wholesale markets, calculated based on the cost of 30-dozen cases of caged shell eggs.” And you know that oil futures do not correspond to refined gas prices. The tariffs are temporary (90 day) 30/10 tariffs. I do not believe tariffs have been demonstrated to be good economic policy, regardless of party. And I don’t have as much belief in the strategy in the mid term, based on the high probability of both inflation/recession AND the soft power reputational and relational costs that come with them. What is the long term play and the second/third order effects? I subscribe to the cyclical monetary thoughts that we are approaching a reckoning with our currency (we are well into quantitative easing). In the end, I hope that the policies do help the country. But investments are dependent on market sentiment and stability, and I see significant risk there.

I figured it out, this forum probably gets their programming directly from Truth Social. This is a real message from the real president.

So I assume everyone on this forum is having a conniption about the communist policy coming out? Would love to hear why central price control is different now - think critically.

Your data are wholesale prices and commodities markets - not what people are actually paying. I do not live in California, but in nowhere-ville east coast eggs were $5.29 and gas was $3.45 today. Remember when Biden would cherry pick economic data to gaslight people about how good the economy was? The overall opinion is absolutely not what you stated. It is in your echo chambers, I am sure. But not in reality. The polls show that people neither believe Trump is doing well overall or on immigration. Yes, >85% of republicans are happy. But the actual majority of America are negative. https://www.npr.org/2025/04/29/nx-s1-5379596/trump-100-days-polling-grade-approval-rating https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/04/25/trump-immigration-approval-ratings-drop-poll/

Here’s the pragmatic answer - they aren’t gonna have a problem unless things change a lot. In reality, egg prices haven’t actually changed significantly for consumers (turns out bulk price decreases don’t matter to families), gas prices same. Tax proposals to create structures where the rich pay more are not supported by republicans in congress AND proposed policies that include elimination of income tax + tariffs are highly regressive, so good luck making people believe that the Repubs will actually do anything. Probably a graph like this would play well in the “things to cry about:” And immigration policy - despite whatever wins may be occurring - will be met with criticisms about the administration using tactics that appear dictatorial and unconstitutional. Maybe they’d throw the fact that the Epstein logs still haven’t been released? Who knows! That’s how 60% of America views those issues now. Hope it actually gets better.

What is an accelerated retirement pay scale?

The sooner you realize that both parties support corporatism above all else, the sooner you’ll be enlightened.

Some potentially good policy coming out. If he follows through with increasing the top tax rates, that will be a huge win for the vast majority of society. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-urged-speaker-johnson-raise-175235463.html

Yeah you missed them. Pretty sad.

Please reconcile the discrepancy between you claiming to support the Constitution while cheering for an administration who openly questions whether they need to follow it. Does the Constitution actually say the president gets to ignore Supreme Court rulings as you seem to believe? Or has 'it been decided' over 200+ years of American jurisprudence that Supreme Court interpretations of the Constitution are binding law? Basic civics - when the Supreme Court rules on constitutional matters, that ruling IS what the Constitution means - that's literally their entire purpose in our system of government.

He didn't say that. And if he did, he didn't mean that. And if he did, you didn't understand it. And if you did, it's not a big deal. And if it is, others have said worse!

Nice!

The projection, defensiveness, and grasping for straws is simultaneously hilarious and sad. Not to mention how the standard “defense” is literally whataboutism. It’s also funny how the whole group is desperately in search of “good” pieces of news to upvote and cling to, even when they aren’t good at all lmao (because let’s be honest, you guys are struggling - egg prices, really?). It’s gotten to the point where there’s no use in feeling annoyed or upset at the obvious disconnect from reality - you just feel bad for the bros who have found themselves trapped in a cult. There’s so many examples of this in action. Like in the last week how the cult - who was rightfully upset at Bidens mental downfall (this was bad and should be criticized) - is incapable of addressing similar behaviors in their own party. These include obvious false statements (the fact that the admin openly proclaims that egg prices are “down 93%”, that gas is less than $2 a gallon, and that groceries are “cheaper”), obvious classified leak double standards, or statements like the admin quadrupling down that Abrego Garcia’s knuckles LITERALLY say “MS 13,” not “interpreted.” If you’ve ever seen Beyond the Curve, it’s that. The earth must remain flat, because they can’t say it’s not without severe social repercussions. “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” I challenge those of you that can to reassess some of your core assumptions and to think more critically about not just if things are true but why they are said? Why is the AG pushing a narrative that fentanyl policies literally saved a third of the population from death? Maybe it’s just a misinterpretation? Hmm.