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Thanks for posting buddy...what are we gonna do when you leave? P.S. - 7 buffs...again? WTFO?

Would that even work with a bag? From the website: "Maximum load: 5 adult shirts or a pair of jeans." Seems cool though.

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Having a kid in order to get more money is like getting married to get more pussy...ain't gonna happen.

Can someone at ASAB with some balls reply to his original email and attach that pic of him on the camel? That would be epic.

Holy judgement Batman! Are we really against decent, affordable child care here? And how does your niffy solution work for single parents?

Really? That's your first "broken window?" Not any of the "small" failures I see daily when people are fooking up their primary duties? And I'm glad we're being treated like criminals (literally) in that there is no room for discretion or judgement, good thing we got all those fancy master's degrees and years of flight training. The line that borrows from Patton saying "if you can't roll your sleeves down how do I know you're gonna complete all items on the checklist" is literally the #1 problem I've seen in shoe clerk mentality...seen it from desert diamonds while deployed and wing leadership while at home. It assumes the human mind is not capable of judgement or weighing the importance of one task vs another. We might as well all be robots with that outlook...robots with hitler-esque mustaches and tucked in shirts.

This. Not all regulations are equal because some are meant to instill discipline, standardization, and a compliance-mindset, and others are actually relevant to a real-world mission. A dose of the first kind is part of the military way of life and those regulations help us maintain higher standards than the civilian world, but are not an end unto themselves; following them to a T doesn't actually accomplish anything real. Detailed knowledge of mission-related pubs, checklists, etc. leads to excellence in carrying out a real-world mission, that is an end worth pursuing. I've said it a million times; loss of mission focus. This E-9 is exhibit #69.

Has someone made a youtube video of this guy's greatest hits?

IDK...I've seen numerous dudes get "chiefed" when they were LT and Captain bag-wearers at a certain undisclosed location in SW Asia. One dude, I shit you not, handed out business cards so we could "follow up with him" on whatever uniform/grooming standards/BS local procedure issue we were having that day.

Already discussed the E-9's epic fail email However, a fail that hard maybe deserves to be beaten to death in two different threads...UFB all around.

My advice remains mostly the same for U-28s...definitely consider that route or at minimum prepare for it since we have a ton of former -38 dudes. New schemes for the squadrons are being implemented but aren't finalized and the total time deployed over the long term remains the same, about 2 months gone and about 2.5 months home, rinse, repeat. TDYs are maybe 2-4 weeks per year for exercises; mostly volunteer but some are voluntold.

You fool! You've activated the bat signal! I'm gonna have to independently evaluate the constitutionality of your advice.

Your advice seems to be along those lines after some clarification...others not so much. The whole "bend over and take it" and "stop bitching" and "no excuse not to have a MA as a LT" crowd is who I'm talking to more than you. Agreed on all...I suspect there is some secret ceremony where you pin on major and they give you a lobotomy at the same time. Some guys were running late and missed the proceedings and were able to stay cool. Anecdotal evidence suggests the number of doubhebag majors out there is exponentially higher than the number of douchebag captains. Something happens in that timeframe and it aint' good... Absolutely not...I was jealous of my army bros because they got paid more right away and they made what I consider the most desirable rank to be (Captain) faster and I was still a f*cking lieutenant, that's pretty much it. Like I said, no real opinion on whether fast or slow promotion is "better," although I can identify some problems with our current setup of extended training and I guess what is relatively fast promotion. I'll work on my speech writing skills to boil down the pertinent points. On the other hand, do you lose credibility when your posts, like this last one, are long?

I'm actually a Skins fan so yea...no love for the Eagles but I've had to live vicariously through fantasy football the last few years since my real team sucked so much balls. Vick will be a fantasy beast this year so I liked the name for a team.

Wow, and I was being brief compared to some other topics. You skip my posts but then add your own that adds no value to the conversation? Cool... Did I ever say I resented doing my own Masters? Did I ever even claim I didn't have enough time to do it? I thought I was pretty clear that I chose to do my MA right away after nav school, and I even tried to ed delay out of college to knock it out immediately. Sooo...yea, I post on baseops frequently, how does that affect my argument that the system shouldn't force CGOs to knock out their MA and especially shouldn't pressure them to do so as fast as possible? My choice to take an action is not related to my belief that others should not be strong-armed into making the same choice if their circumstances are different than mine.

Bullshit. Change the system so the next guy doesn't have the same stupid ass rules you had. I refuse to either do the full-stiff arm that results in total career failure or the bend over and can I please have some more sir. There is a middle ground where you know the rules, check the boxes when appropriate, but do everything possible to both change the system and steer those younger than you on the correct path, which to me is focusing on the mission first and doing anything else second. It's not even that most people are bad aviators. I'm perfectly capable of doing my MA and being competent in the jet and so is any other bro except maybe the bottom of the barrel. My point is that as I've grown in the squadron and experienced more, I'm realizing more and more all the stuff I don't know. Because of this, I want the next guy who'll replace me not to make the same mistakes I did and I strongly believe that involves focusing more attention on primary duties and less on MAs, SOS, snacko, etc. Hell, there supposedly was a mythical time in AFSOC where new guys didn't even have additional duties for a period of time (rainman, feel free to kick me in the balls if my history is wrong here). What a concept...the mission is so important that it's all we want you to focus on when you're fresh out of the school house. Go F yourself...really? I'm more than happy to explain this concept to any airman in my squadron and I'm sure they'd agree that the AF puts too much emphasis on looking good and box-checking education versus being good at your primary job. Ask them about the pressure to finish up that online Bachelors in General Studies if they don't really want to and don't need it for their job... I don't really know, it just seems like a really long time since dudes are now pinning major around 11 years total, to not even get a first look until 12 and then pin on 6-9 months later. Haven't been around enough to know the consequences of promoting slow versus promoting fast and obviously there are positives and negatives to both. I'm still pissed that my army buddies all put on O-3 after 3 years but whatever...they have to be in the Army so that more than makes up for it.

All of that is valid, I just look at it like career longevity shouldn't be the goal for anyone really, especially dudes who are inclined to punch anyways. Not everyone needs to play the game nor should they, and those who do plan on staying should endeavor to change the game rather than just bend over and take it. Oh yea, I forgot, I was making it all up. /sarcasm WTF man, do you think I'm f-ing lying to you here or what? Call BS all you want, say NFW, I'll tell you I have seen it with my own pair of MK-1s and it applies to a great number of pilots in-processing to my community. This is all true and good, it's good technique to have it done rather than not because then your bases are covered. Where I disagree is whether, because this is true, dudes should just bend over and take it. I say no...do what you need to do to ensure success (may involve checking the box), but do everything possible to make the system better for the next guy versus just educating him on how to game the current, shitty system more effectively than you did. Who has a defeatist attitude now? Got it, I won't quote Jumper if that's not what he meant and people are getting butt-hurt over it (unlikely in real life conversations because I've said it before). I'll leave it at "this is what I think" and I know many, many heads have nodded and said the same thing before I came along anyways. That was the whole point of even referencing recent history...I'm not making this sh*t up and this whole conversation probably has happened 6-9 before and will happen again until someone gets it fixed. Regardless of if you can balance everything, I still stand firm on that dudes that are < 1 year into their MWS should not be worrying about their Masters. That's your prime time to become at least a book expert on your weapons system so by time you can get some experience and hours you can marry the two together nicely. Time is a finite resource and you can't tell me that time spend on a masters is not better spent in the squadron learning your job instead of with your head in an econ book or whatever. You should be getting an MA in KC-135 ops or "insert MWS here" ops. Agreed sort of, but 8 years as a captain before your first look? Specifics aside, yea, if you promoted later it all work work out fine and you'd have plenty of time to get that MA done while in the squadron but after what I consider the most important first year learning your primary job. But in the real world, if you show up at an O-3, spend a year learning your MWS and getting seasoned, then spend 2-3 years doing a masters, you're just barely getting your shit in order for your first look. Thus the problem.

I did...I don't understand how someone would "smoke" me for saying I thought that if the AF wants you to get a masters they should send you and that previous leaders has entertained thoughts similar to that. Seriously. Exactly, it should be a choice and it shouldn't come back to bite a guy who chooses not to do what I did and start their MA. That's not the case however when you start looking at, "Well gee, when did he get it done?" Nope, absolutely not. So if a guy chooses to start his MA during BITs, great. I'd say you're hard pressed to actually finish the degree in there however, and once mission training starts that should be the focus. I'd also argue that the first year you're mission qual'd should be totally focused on learning your job in the jet and in the squadron versus worrying about schoolwork that has no bearing on your ability to perform/lead/etc. So, now you've been in the squadron for a year, maybe have some MA work knocked out but most likely not the full degree, and you've been a Captain for over a year because you arrived at the squadron with two bars on each shoulder already. How does that common scenario fit into Bergman's mythical timeline for success? That's not the time I'm talking about, it the first year in the squadron after you're checked out. Right now that's prime time for guys to be told to "finish up that masters" and that's a total foul. They should be being told to study their pubs, ask questions, and pick up the slack on additional duties a distant third. Agreed...it gives you more options later and you certainly don't get less busy as your career goes on, but it's technique. Not something that should be constantly debriefed to guys who choose to focus on the mission or their squadron duties or their families. I just think the system needs to change, bottom line. To expect dudes to have their masters done well before their first look at the Major's board, considering most MA programs take 2-3 years to complete, is stupid. If guys come into the squadron as Captains as many, many do at least in my community, that puts them working hard on their MA when they should be working hard to be competent copilots. They should be worrying about AC upgrade, not a MA in Basketweaving or whatever.

Sorry dude, clicked the wrong button. Meant +1. Yea, someone with a 20lb brain will figure out how to have some fun with them.

Bergman. Those direct words. Check his post, then check my post again where I quoted him directly. That's part of why I'm giving him sh*t because that's so far from making any kind of sense...one really big excuse for not having it done as an LT and that applies to most here is flight training, which unlike in Bergman's experience perhaps, frequently can take 3+ years to produce a mission-qual'd aviator at an operational squadron. Depends on what program you do and if it's in person, online, etc. For me, not a whole lot, maybe 4-5 hours per week for 1 class at a time (and ridiculous 16 week courses have really stretched out that timeline but don't get me started on that...) I felt like I could get it done while in the FTU and still perform to the level I wanted so I started when I did. For other dudes who wanted to do one of the in-person programs on base or in town, PEXing yourself out for every Tuesday and Thursday from 6-9pm wasn't gonna cut it when they were still in training. YMMV is the bottom line. I didn't have kids at the time, my FTU was probably not the hardest one out there, I was motivated by personal reasons to get my Masters anyways. Encouraging guys to do the same to the point where it's taught as procedure when their situations are different is BS. As you're fond of saying, it was technique only. You've got to be kidding me if anyone out there really thinks that the gnat's ass timing of your masters degree completion matters. Let's just throw out content or actual learning altogether! Hell, let's throw out the content of the actual officer's job performance and look not only at the box being checked, but how long the ink's been dry! Craziness...it shouldn't be a freaking race to look good, a MA should be an ancillary measure of actually being good.

This is wrong on so many levels. Just because it's bullshit is a great reason to fight to get the system changed...it's a bullshit system! When guys can point to a leader who not too long ago advocated that the AF would send you to get a MA if you needed on (Jumper) I don't think it's a stretch to seek leadership with similar views today. WE ARE CITY HALL and if, as officers and mostly pilots here, we can't change the system we truly have lost our souls to the bureaucracy. You said... No excuse to get it done as an LT is pretty unrealistic when dudes are in UPT/FTU as an LT. If you want guys doing their MA in pilot training or during the FTU well I have nothing for you sir. And "certainly by time you've been a Captain for a year" means that dudes would have, in many cases, less than 1 year to complete a MA program because they're arriving to the operational squadrons as freshly pinned captains. You're aware that most MA programs take longer than 1 year, correct? That's why your advice strikes a ridiculous cord...my example (as a nav with less time spent in training, not a pilot) of starting early serves to show that even when I worked on my MA concurrently with the FTU (not recommended), I still will barely finish by the Bergman Timeline of Success. And for what? What benefit does the AF get by me doing my MA right now? I got personal benefit from doing it but that was a choice, it should not be a requirement. Technique only on my part and you're preaching technique as procedure and frankly the AF agrees with you. I also said I was a big fan of staying in school and tried to do educational delay, I happily did my MA. But for dudes who don't feel the same way, do you really want freshly qualified guys forcibly concentrating on shit other than learning to be experts in their respective MWSs?? When you tell a brand new LT or Captain who should be learning how to not suck in the jet and how to employ his weapons system downrange that he should be doing his MA, that's a loss of mission focus. It's only defeatist if the primary goal is to be promoted. Bold for emphasis.

Humm...may want to check your own division for some pretty stiff competition...I'm no NY fan but just sayin... Thought of a great team name (not unique I'm sure but hey, I was proud)...Vicktorious. I might just have to use that.

Thanks, fixed it. So his advice and maybe yours should perhaps be calibrated for the realities of today's young officers. You immediately discredit yourself (not you specifically, more bergman I'm talking to) by recommending a person knock out their masters as an LT but after their MQT when that is impossible to accomplish because of timing. The fact of the matter is guys are showing up to their first operational squadron green as any LT ever was but with captains bars on their shoulders, that changes the career advice they should be getting because they've essentially lost years of leeway due to training/delays/etc. Before becoming the advice-giver preaching "hey, you young guys should be doing this," take a look at the facts on the ground. At what point in my career is bitching allowed? 4 years? 6-9 years? How about hueypilot, Bitte, pawnman, busdriver, tac airlifter, Karl Hungus, etc. Are they also insufficiently experienced to be making essentially the same argument I am? I don't think so...and that's just from the last 2 pages of this one thread. Criticize the ideas, not the person. I may still be a f*cking lieutenant for another week or so but that doesn't mean I'm wrong when I say that dudes are being driven towards getting out because of a loss of mission focus on the part of leadership.

Wait, you are familiar with how long training is for aviators right? And how long it takes to complete most masters programs right? Because the brand new shiny pilots showing up to my unit after UPT, FTU, various casual times and/or BITs, etc. are all either within 6 months of pinning captain or more likely already Captains. When are they supposed to do that masters again? Sooo...yea, your prescribed path isn't even achievable. If I ran the AF, anyone even thinking about getting their masters before they had a solid year in their first operational squadron would be kicked square in the nuts for losing focus on their primary job. And I'm all for education...I tried to educational delay out of ROTC and the AF told me no, so it's not about not seeing the value in having an MA, especially post-military. The timing you're suggesting is where I see a big problem and where most young officers see the problem as well. Navs have it a little better, I was checked out and deployed right as I pinned on 1Lt. I started my masters the month I graduated nav school (i.e. worked on it concurrently with the FTU) and am still working to finish it up as I pin O-3...looks like I'm way behind on the Bergman power curve. There goes my BTZ to O-6! Realistically this is what most people do (myself included) but it's a defeatist attitude if that's what you believe deep down. I refuse to validate stupid shit just because it was the price I had to pay to play the game. I want it to be easier, more streamlined, and more mission-focused for the next guy. If I can do anything from my humble perch as a crew dog to stop the practice bleeding for PME, if I can somehow influence the system to allow guys to focus on getting proficient in their airplane versus getting their MBA, I will do so regardless of the fact that the system required me to do those things. Work to make things better, not to just get by, "play the game" and get promoted. I believe there was a quote out there about being someone versus doing something...I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be somebody so I might as well try to do this.