Please tell me they painted Cocks Rule! on their roof...I would expect nothing less from our Eagles bros!

Give this man a medal for best injury story ever.

Man Awarded $650G After Suffering Injuries from Lap Dance

Timing for upgrades can be waived if you're good enough/ready and should never be based solely on flight time so that seems like a moot point.

Valid, but if enough hours are missing, it's at least possible it could delay something...i.e. an assignment requiring X IP hours or something like that. But yes, that's probably a far-fetched possibility.

Won't the airlines accept your official USAF documents vs some logbook with your chicken scratch in it? I thought the A-words put some sort of factor on fighter time anyway, which makes sense. Did they stop doing that? I would definitely ask to see a guy's official USAF records if I was on an A-word hiring panel.

As far as I know they do and have heard they do the fighter time factor thing. I still have a copy of my flight records, so no worries there.

Don't you do a records review? That's where you should catch mistakes in the system. Are you saying you can bring your logbook into SARMs and they just throw the hours into the system for you?

This is where my opinion differs. I've done a handful of records reviews so far and to be honest, I will have no idea if my records are missing some flights here and there, mis-transcribed type of flight time off my 781, etc. It's humanly impossible for you to go, "hey wait a minute, 169 days ago on Feb 3rd I flew a 1.2 and logged .8 NVG...please fix this" as you're flipping through multiple pages of flight time. With a logbook, I can quickly just look at the totals and if something doesn't match up, now I can run through dates and see where a flight's missing. I have already caught a couple mistakes and pointed them out to the SARMs. Maybe it's amazingly different here, but they trust my word as an officer. What a concept. I would hope nobody would make shit up to pad a logbook...complete BS and I would not expect someone to do that.

Bottom line, now that I backlogged all my flight time, it literally takes me 15 sec to fill it out after a flight. So, I spend approx 2.5 min per month writing in my logbook. Just my opinion, but I'm not worried about "wasting" 2.5 min out of my month. That's like the dudes arguing in favor of green boots because they don't have to shine them. Copy, I'll "waste" 2 min to shine my black boots once every 6 months...again, not worried about it. If someone else is, then don't do it.

You log all engine running time as dual received. Look at the HOBBS meter (like a car's odometer, but hours instead) before you start the engine and after you shut down. The time difference is what you log. Your CFI will endorse the logbook to make it legit.

Today, no one would be allowed to do a walk-around on something like that because ORM was too high.

Nah, you just have to circle some numbers on an ORM worksheet. It makes ORM a non-player.

I get the whole "innocent until proven guilty." I'm not arguing these guys are guilty, I'm arguing there is obviously something going on here that deserves more than what happened (at least on the surface). It's far enough past simple coincidence that a lot more should have happened. Not saying they're guilty, but they damn sure shouldn't have just been given a free pass and a "sorry for wasting 20 min of your day."

automatically assume that they are guilty of whatever they are being suspected of

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I didn't say they were auto guilty, I just thought it was ridiculous the whole thing was dismissed immediately as no big deal and just a coincidence (at least on the surface...there very well could be far more going on here, but I won't speculate on that).

I guess the assumption of innocence only applies to those of non muslim sounding names in his book.

Good one dumbass. I already stated I could give two shits what their skin color is or their religion. Could have been two white guys from Oklahoma and I would have said the same thing. Quit trying to lean on retarded statements with zero merit to support your argument.

Oh wait... they have muslim names. They have to be terrorists. My bad

Nice try. I don't give a shit if they were white. Dude, taping a cellphone to a pepto bismol bottle. Really? I guarantee most of the people on this site can make a bomb out of that. It's called explosive material in the bottle and a call to the cell phone provides the trigger. Throw in the MULTITUDE of other suspicious items and the questionable situation and it's just way too much to be a simple coincidence. Sure the "experts" let them go, but I will not be shocked one bit if we see something like this happen again, except with something actually happening. I sure hope it doesn't, but I don't have much faith when there is zero common sense applied in situations like this.

Right, because the FBI is awesome at everything they do and never fuck things up. There are WAY too many things interconnected in this story to make it just a simple coincidence. You can stick your nugget in the sand all you want, I'm not going to.

Two Men Arrested on Terror Suspicion on Flight From Chicago to Amsterdam

"Law enforcement officials also found several non-functioning cell phones taped together, a phone taped to a Pepto Bismol bottle and a knife and box cutter in checked luggage connected with the men."

YGBFSM!!!! Why are they even asking if this is just "a coincidence" or not. Lets see, is it normal to tape cell phones together, tape a cell phone to a pepto bismol bottle as well as have a knife, box cutter and over $7G in cash in your luggage? You think just maybe they're seeing if they can put a bomb in checked luggage? Seriously WTF, how have we as a nation become this incredibly fucking retarded. This kind of stupidity just pisses me off, especially since I know it could very likely get hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans killed. Unbelievable.

15k? You can't see shit from 15k.

FWIW, you can replace "the dude at 15k" very easily. You can replace him with a dude in a LGPOS at 25k looking inside or a pilot in a Hog at 5k looking out.

15K was a nominal number...please tell me you don't think an F-16 is incapable of flying a wheel at 5K? Even from 10-15K, there is merit having a dude there to look out side for a true "big to small" approach to find a target. And no, I won't argue about Viper CAS vs Hog CAS or disagree with you on that one...that's a losing battle.

Someone else will be dropping weapons off of the pilot's airplane? WTFO?

2. How does anyone think it will be better in a non-pilot on the ground controls weapons off an aircraft? And I'm sure they're proposing that it won't be any big deal for the dude on the ground to find shit in the soda straw of the pod. You can't replace the dude at 15K looking outside.

What has worked for me: the answer is NEVER 1 or 5. Also, trying to "relax" your eyes and look in between the circles instead of directly staring at a specific one. Do this along with a very slow scan (without stopping to intently stare at one circle). Seems like your peripheral vision helps the circles stand out. Also realize the latter lines will be much harder (sts) than the first group. Take your time and don't feel rushed.

Hence why for the past 6 weeks I have been trying to get finance to approve

Same here, except 5.5 months after the fact, $2500 worth of un-reimbursed expense and still "working" the problem.

Take it up with the OIC and stop talking to the people at the desk.

Agreed. However, I took that road about 2 months ago and am now past the OIC at this point...that's how fucked up their process and "ability" is. Unbelievable.

Would it be SOP for leadership to make members of the Squadron turn off their phones to not leak any info? I'm trying to call a buddy up there but his phone is off.

It's been done before. But, depends on the leadership and what they want to do.

Godspeed to the crew...I really hope it's not as bad as it sounds/looks. :beer:

This got me to thinking, hasn't the commitment for Nav been only 6 years? Perhaps strike nav is/was different. Figuring you're in a situation where you pin on Captain while you're still in the B-course, doesn't that only put you at maybe a year or so in an ops squadron (assuming you get out at the end of your ADSC)?

Assuming Nav is the same as pilot (which why wouldn't it be, they're both rated positions), you incur your ADSC when you get your wings. So rank doesn't really matter, whenever you graduate UNT/UPT is when the 6 yr/10 yr clock starts ticking.

Apparently they were pissed that they had to set up their own shit because we didn't have spare bodies lying around to do it for them.

They actually pull people from real jobs to set up their shit? Wow, the gayness just increased that much more.

Not technically a demotivational poster, but too damn funny to pass up.

if a bomber squadron at Dyess is using the same call sign as your tanker squadron in Iowa, there will be a problem. That is the whole point of a 'master list' of approved callsigns...to avoid that type of situation.

That makes sense. I guess I was only thinking about flying in the local area like we do most of the time, but obviously other airframes out there fly a lot further than 100 mi from base on a regular basis.

You need to act like a good wingman sometimes and STFU, especially when you have no idea what you're talking about as in this case.

Alright alright, I was simply speaking from a scheduling perspective (that only applies at Base X). I am wrong and turns out we are the only ones who do that...bad assumption on my part. Back to my corner.

Magnet - Now that shit's funny!

Contrail - EAD

Until two aircraft file with the same flight name/number in the system at the same time.

That's why you use that extra brain cell and don't schedule flights with the same name and/or number. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Now maybe that's a different ballgame in the heavy world, but it's a simple game in the fighter world.

We just fly with whatever the hell we want (boss approved of course). Sure you can be official, but as long as you don't use something outrageous, the chances of someone saying something are nil. When baseops gets the flight plan, they're just going to put whatever they see in the system.

I always take my laptop TDY. If you don't have one at ASBC, etc. you won't have a computer to use minus the library or a friends. IMO that's annoying, but it's up to you if that's worth it or not.

Why do I see Lt's in my sq call Captains by their first names? Why are 2Lt's "discouraged" from saluting 1Lt's in flying squadrons that I've been part of?

Because we're all CGOs and at least in our community, we're all at the same "bro" level. That doesn't mean you don't listen to or question your flt/cc just b/c he's "only" a Capt or your weapons officer just b/c he's "only" a Capt, but it does mean that calling them by their callsign wherever and acting on the bro level in the bar is completely fine.

Why don't a lot of rated CGO's sack up and call out the junior ranking person for disrespect?

I agree. It's BS and just contributes to the problem. So yes, I know it's not just an enlisted thing.

I wonder if you would see the same thing from a young Marine...they seem to be pretty squared away wrt customs and courtesies. The USAF might be a bit too soft on this type of thing.

In my very limited interaction with Marines, I too was impressed with their C&C, as well as just their overall demeanor. I also share the same viewpoint of most of the MX enlisted I interact with, as well as the enlisted in our squadron. However, the same cannot be said for other squadrons on base. I have interacted with some very good people, don't get me wrong, but unfortunately those people seem to be in the minority. I'm surprised and honestly kind of embarrassed for the AF regarding a decent amount of people I've observed, both in their professionalism and willingness to work hard for the mission. It's like the AF has gone incredibly soft and doesn't care. Today I watched an Amn bow up to a Capt without even a thought...full up yelled. Now don't worry, he was put in his place immediately, but I couldn't believe this guy even thought for a second that was remotely OK. Rank doesn't seem to mean shit to a lot of AF members these days. You don't have to respect the person, but you do have to respect the rank. If a Capt can respect a Maj with no problem, why is it so many enlisted seem to have a problem respecting an officer, let alone a Capt and higher (not that it should even matter what officer rank they are)? I have never seen that in other services and when talking to buddies in the Army/Marines, they said first off that shit would not happen, and if it does, that guy is getting his ass beat on the spot. These related things are why the other services make fun of the AF, and in some aspects, rightfully so.

Or...never pass up an opportunity to teach

Good point. I think a lot of guys try to an extent, but it's difficult to do so when you have zero support from leadership. I personally haven't experienced the leadership crushing such things to a terrible extent, but from talking to friends elsewhere and even reading the Died thread on here, it seems that on a large scale, these things are allowed to happen b/c leadership indirectly supports it. How will it get better if officers are berated for, *gasp*, telling a MSgt something he doesn't want to hear, or berated for simply saying/doing something b/c you're an officer and you don't take orders from an enlisted guy (of course within reason, I fully respect the enlisted corps and realize sometimes there are just rules they have to enforce).

Dude, calm the fuck down. Listen to yourself for a second. If what you are saying is true you need to think about your role as an officer.

Yeah, I guess it was over the top. I've just had some very bad experiences very recently that have really pissed me off, and I'm still steaming from them. I know there are a lot of good people in other career fields, just seems recently I've been dealing with the bottom of the barrel...meaning people who don't know their jobs and go out of their way to do anything so they don't have to do work (i.e. help unfuck the situation their office created). Though in all fairness I will say last week I was able to work with someone on one of the problems that actually was willing to help and put effort into it. We'll see when/if this problem gets resolved, but this person seems promising. Unfortunately, it took going up 5 levels of supervision (no shit) to even get any kind of real help on the biggest issue. Sorry, but that's a failure in my eyes. Why the 5th level of supervision even needs to get involved is ludicrous, but they have to because their subordinates below them are unable and/or unwilling to do the job. So yes, my words were too harsh, but I know many on here probably know exactly the type of generic situation I'm talking about. It's unfortunate that such situations are all too common in the AF today.