ClearedHot

I have no heartburn with anyone who wants to get out and fly for the airlines. In fact, three quarters of my UPT class got out when they had the chance five years ago, (although most of them have since been furloughed). However, the first posters in this thread have not even gone to UPT yet. They have ten years after UPT to dream about flying the Airbus and an airline career. In the meantime, there are hundreds of guys and girls that want to join because they want to fly for the USAF and their country. That was my point, “WE” are the US government and we can sit back and hope the someone does something or we can speak out. The average American person has no idea about the subsidies, they just want cheap airline tickets. The problem is without expensive subsides to Boeing or tariffs on Airbus products, we might see the next generation of American Air Force pilots flying the Rafael. Self righteous because I would like to preserve American industry? Simple solution then, ignore my posts.

When you did your research did you notice that the majority of the money Airbus made went back to Europe? Sure they created a few jobs here in the United States, they had to, they were catching so much flack, but the profit went straight to European coffers. The engineering jobs created in Kansas were offset by a loss of 10:1 in American Jobs. Highly skilled trade-craft jobs performed by the people who build aircraft are now all overseas in a Airbus factory. My mistake, I forgot about our good friends the Germans who supported us in the international community during the Iraq War. Actually the majority of the subsides are paid by the French government as they own the largest portion of Airbus. They have a stated purpose of putting American aircraft companies out of business. Maybe you think that is ok, but I don’t. I am merely pointing out he bigger picture. The French sell to our enemies. They want to destroy our aircraft building infrastructure. They want to see our position in the world minimized. A lot of thanks for making sure they didn’t grow up speaking german. I could careless if it is an awesome machine, ultimately it led to loss of jobs here in America and more money for a country that provided arms to kill American troops.

I have no intention of going to airlines, never did. 15 years and the USAF has treated me good, as well as educated me in the ways of the world. I find it refreshing that you can profess to want to be USAF pilot while pimping the Airbus and a airline career in the same breath. Just what I am looking for in my Air Force... [ 11. October 2004, 23:33: Message edited by: Clearedhot ]

By the way, if you did a little research you might find that Airbus is doing so well because it is heavily subsidized by the French government. The government pays the subsidy not as a simple gesture to keep Airbus competitive, instead they do it to purposely hurt American industry. Do a little research and you will be sickened by the efforts France is going to in their effort damage our country, economy, and military.

After being chased around the desert by the Roland, I completely disagree. I think the plane is almost as ugly as the people and their politics. After ten years of OSW and ONW, I support nothing the cheese eating surrender monkeys do or build. [ 11. October 2004, 21:47: Message edited by: Clearedhot ]

A320 made by a French led consortium. No Thanks You want to be in the Air Force, then fly a French made aircraft? You have a lot to learn about the world and just how far they are willing to put our companies out of business, let alone sell weapons systems to our enemies (like Iraq). Let me suggest you try send an application to this website instead of the USAF. https://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/ [ 11. October 2004, 21:33: Message edited by: Clearedhot ]

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There are also fighter tours with the Austrailians, Brits, Germans, USMC, US Navy (F-18 and F-14), and several other foriegn countries. A few years ago we had a Navy F-18 driver on exchange with the Weapons School flying in the Viper Division.

There are several slots for exchange tours each year. Numerous countries participate. Some require language school or a tested proficiency in that language. I had to do three years of language school for my exchange tour with the USMC.

20-30% of Mid-level officers (Majors), will go to Air Command and Staff College, AFIT, or a similar school form another service. The opportunity is increasing with slots to get masters degrees at major universities. I went to ACSC last year, then got picked up for another year of school at the USMC School of Advanced Warfighting, I will probalby go to the Air Staff for a two years, then back to fly.

Weapons School Instructors fly and instruct in their primary MDS only. While at Nellis you may will have chance to fly in the tub with the Vipers and Light Gray's, in the pit with the Mudhens, strap hang with the Buff's, or even an AC-130. A great chance to learn more about the other systems out there. When you graduate you payback is expected to be at the squadron level. After a tour as an instructor at the Weapons School, most guys will go to school (IDE) or off to a staff tour.

Straight through initial at Laughlin AFB rolled left to look down and watch my best friend taking the barrier at 150Kts with his left engine stuck in Mil: Just before impact he tightens every muscle in his body including his thumb and broadcasts on Guard “OHHH SHHHHHIIIITTTTT!”….a few more seconds of noise….F%#$, that SUCKED…click. Watched him un-ass the jet and was glad to buy him a few beers later that night at the club.

Mild, There is always a chance. There were a lot of guys going through a few years ago that were banked for three years early on. A big factor in determining who gets picked is the recommendations you take to the selection board. If it is something you are really interested in, sit down with your the DO and your squadron Weapons Officer and see if you guys can build a road map to get you there. As with everything in the USAF, there are waivers for everything. Good Luck.

Typically, graduates will go back to a squadron for at least a year. After that many will follow a normal progression up to wing level jobs. The flesh peddlers will normally nominate potential instructors to the school 2-3 years after graduation. Instructing at the Weapons School was second only to flying in combat. I worked harder and played harder that at any other point in my career.

Not all of the players at the Weapons School put iron on target, but all are a vital part of that effort. CCO has Weapons School courses for the several support frames like JSTARS and AWACS that are vital to the fight. The tanker and transport folks are not part of the USAF Weapons School. They left in 2002 after differences over control of syllabus. As a result, they have aseperate course that is managaed by AMC. Different patch, different course, same concept, produce the best instructors possible.

Actually the AFSOC AC-130, MH-53, and MC-130 courses, syllabus and instructors fall under the 57th Wing at Nellis. Collectively they are called the SOF division, and are offically known as the 14th Weapons Squadron, a tenant unit at Hurlburt. The KC-135 and C-17 courses, syllabus, and instrcutors are not a part of the USAF Weapons School. They belong to AMC and thier students interact with the USAF Weapons School WUGs only during CORE academics and the Mission Employment exercise at the end of the course.

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Engineering degrees are highly desired but not required. Math or science degrees qualify you to apply.

Try Royal Bag ( https://www.royal-bag.com/ ), they are located out the back gate at Osan AFB, but they ship to the U.S. If the “name tapes” or “luggage tags” are not on the website drop them a line and tell them what you want. They have almost any color, aircraft, badge you want to embroider. Hope that helps.

Airguardian, I am in DC for another year of school (SAW), the Marine Corps version of SAASS. Looks like I will go to the Air Staff afterwards. You still in training?

Polys are not for basic clearances. Usually related to special jobs.

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The approved work-around, don't tell anyone. It is a BS rule. Spend a few minutes on Saturday morning watching the parking lot and you will see how closely it is followed.

I watched a few guys get hurt doing stupid things in UPT, most simply washed back, but one was medically disqualified for a stupid accident. Just my opinion, but I wanted to become a pilot ever since I watched my old man fly an F-4 up intial on his way back from Vietnam. You may be an expert on the bike, but if it were me I would focus on UPT for a year and hit the race track once I had my wings.

You will have time to ride on the weekends, a good way to blow off steam. However, you will have to make time to attend a motorcycle safety course and take a road test. They will attempt to discourage you at every point because the Air Force loses a lot of people each year to motorcycle accidents. Bottom-line, you can ride, but they will make it difficult for you.