General Order 1/1A

[Herk Driver]

There's a lot of misinformation out there about what is covered by GO 1/1A. GO1A was the change to GO1 that Gen Tommy Franks signed just before the start of OIF, IIRC.

However, comments like this one ,She's busy helping her C-130 crew member boyfriend break General Order One, while meant to be funny also show that there is a common misunderstanding of GO 1A. I was in a seminar this past year that showed that there are many people that believe that GO 1/1A covers sexual activity, like the above comment does, but it actually doesn't. Local policy may cover it.

So what are the myths and the facts about the GO that are out there? I think it would be interesting to see what everyone here thinks.

[LockheedFix]

But GO 1 does say members of the opposite sex may not be in each others private quarters. The UCMJ says you can't have sex in public, so if you're having sex somewhere that's covered by GO 1, you're breaking one of the two rules.

[Herk Driver]

Originally posted by LockheedFix:

But GO 1 does say members of the opposite sex may not be in each others private quarters. The UCMJ says you can't have sex in public, so if you're having sex somewhere that's covered by GO 1, you're breaking one of the two rules.

Like I said, that's part of the misinformation that is out there. GO 1, dated 7 November 1996, was superseded by GO 1A, dated 19 Dec 2000. Unless this one has been superseded, there is no mention of sex, except sexually explicit photos, blah, blah.

Now, if your particular local rules preclude member's of the opposite sex in each others tent, that is one thing, but it's not GO 1/1A. But I can guarantee you that some locations have far less stringent rules than no one of opposite sex in your tent.

If you'd like to take a look, here's a link:

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/Archive/regulation...er%20no%201a%22 ://http://www.mnf-iraq.com/Archive/reg...o%201a%22

You'll have to excuse my ignorance on how to post it correctly, but try to find a restriction on "no member of the opposite sex in another members tent" in this document. This is the General Order that everyone references for all the stupid rules, but it really doesn't have all that much to it. Local rules aside, sex in the desert is OK.

[Toro]

All SNAPs feel free to keep the discussion open, but General Order #1 - as mandated the last time I entered the AOR - was no porn and no booze.

Here's an interesting definition -- it starts off with the important stuff and nose dives into the administrivia.

[Cooter]

Now days there's lots of "and then and then and then...etc." Whenever they find something they don't like it becomes an addendum to GO 1/1A. It will only get more restrictivein the future.

Cooter

[Guest clouddawg]

For people who have BTDT, are there normally orders applying to married people who end up at the same deployed location?

And I do mean married to each other.

[LockheedFix]

Yes. At Ali Al Salem, even married couples are not allowed to enter each others quarters.

[Guest bargiel20]

That's the ultimate tease right there. Seeing your wife and you can't touch her, legally or in regs or whatever. I know that if I was in the desert and wanted some from my wife, who just happened to be in the next tent, you better believe and be doing a spec ops mission just to get over there.

[FourFans]

Originally posted by Cooter:

Now days there's lots of "and then and then and then...etc." Whenever they find something they don't like it becomes an addendum to GO 1/1A. It will only get more restrictivein the future.

You've got that right!

I've been here since June. The priorities are ALL jacked up here! The way the shoe clerks have been winning, it's amazing I can still access this site!

edit: I need a beer...

[ 02. October 2006, 15:41: Message edited by: FourFans130 ]

[Herk Driver]

Originally posted by Cooter:

Now days there's lots of "and then and then and then...etc." Whenever they find something they don't like it becomes an addendum to GO 1/1A. It will only get more restrictivein the future.

Cooter

Cooter,

I understand your point. But, GO 1A has not been changed to reflect any of this stuff. I was working this past year with a JAG who was tasked by his deployed Wing/CC to sort through the crap about sex in the AOR, etc.

After he finished, this guy actually got the Wing/CC to sign off on married couples, deployed together being able to sleep in the same tents with each other. The kicker is that there was no restriction against sex, etc. This actually shocked me, because I thought GO 1A was the driving force behind the restrictions that you and I are used to. But like Toro said above, it only covers alcohol and porn with some other administrivia.

Imagine my surprise when I found out that all of these restirctions are local CC policy, nothing more. I'll caveat that this was as of a year ago.

[Guest clouddawg]

Yeah i asked the question too soon, I asked my wife who is over there right now and she said in Baghdad, sp?, that there are married people living in the same tents.

[Guest Slilock]

Originally posted by LockheedFix:

Yes. At Ali Al Salem, even married couples are not allowed to enter each others quarters.

Which is/was bullshit cause Pope has like 3 married pilot couples who were in and out (pun intended) of each other's rooms when I was there last winter.

[Cooter]

Herk Driver

Rog, understood. I was more trying to express that "problems" they see as symptamatic (whether good or bad fun etc.) will be added in the future. I can see quite a list of GO 1X's in our future.

Cooter