BamaC-21
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it says orders will be cut 90 days prior to separation....what if i'm going on terminal 110 days prior? Can i get my orders before I go on terminal? Mainly asking because i need the orders to break my lease in august...landlord is already notified but property manager wants orders.
My orders were complete 4 days after finishing the pre-separation worksheet. I couldn't believe it.
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I'm taking some PTDY with palace chase and have had no issues. 36-3003 table 7 pretty clearly says you get it.
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Next few months.... Assuming I get VSP approved in a "few months," that will make my last bit of Active Duty service a real shit-show. I guarantee my usefulness to the squadron will be about nil as I try to get my civilian life in order. The longer they kick this can down the road, the harder it is going to be for my squadron-mates to pick up the ball that is going to be dropped when I (and my fellow VSP'ers) prepare to depart the fix.
+1 to that. I'm getting stuff together for terminal in July and am already as worthless as tits on a bull.
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Enlisted VSP has nothing to do with Officer VSP, which applies to the majority of folks here.
I think he's trying to say congrats on VSP, but for some reason it came out with a hint of douchebag.
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I applyed for seperation in lieu of retention board i hope i hear something this week because per mypers all applications will be approved/disaproved mid may
Dude, maybe you should stay.
Actually I think it goes to the SAF for approval, functional really has little day is what I gather. While they might have before, I have heard a lot of guys who got not recommend from cc and afpc and still were accepted from the SAF. Ultimately I think if there is a position available, you aren't critically manned and already have a hire letter you'll be good to go. At least that's what I am hoping as I submit mine this week (if the ISR ever gets back to me)
"You never have too much gas...unless you're on fire"
The FY PC apps don't leave AFPC, but the traditional PC apps still go to SAF.
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I've seen both with a pretty constant functional recommend disapproval but an overall approval.
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I'm not 100% sure mine even went to the functional. If it did, it was routed internally. Cms only showed my app going to the PC office one time and it was approved.
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I'm out of the office until Wed, but the number shows up in CMS....that's how I got it. I got the voicemail several times before someone actually answered the phone. Also, there's only a few people in that office that work officer PC, and your ISR should know their names. They should definitely have the number to the office. If she doesn't, that's equivalent to an AMC guy not knowing the number to TACC.
No word on the length of ADSC waiver. He mentioned the SECAF delegation to waive 6 years or whatever the publicly released # was.
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It was about 6 weeks total processing time after submission, but only a couple weeks at AFPC. It also took two weeks to get my position number and application material together. If you applied for traditional PC, I'd recommend changing it to FY 14 PC if you have a position number from your guard unit. You can change the application without withdrawing it in CMS by calling/emailing the PC office (or have your cc call). You'll have to attach a SOU, and your ISR can follow up after it's been submitted. The PC office is busy, but if you've got the position number and you meet the ADSC waiver criteria (23 mos UPT for me) they can take care of it pretty quickly. For the VSP program to be such a clusterf*ck, this was relatively painless. Then again, I pester the sh*t out of people until they do what I want.
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PC approved!! I applied under traditional PC March 12th and switched to FY 14 PC on April 2nd after the UPT ADSC waiver authority was delegated. After talking to the guy in the PC office, it sounds like a pretty painless approval process if you have a position number. Good luck!
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11M - C-21/KC-135
ADSC through 10 Aug 2016
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Vpr/Hick - I got in CMS today and saw it at the PC office for the first time. The status you and I see does not change, but someone with full CMS access can see it as it works through the wickets. I got a number to the PC office, but the voicemail (surprise) says they won't even do status checks until it's been with AFPC for a month. I understand backlogs, and I understand people are working hard, but I just can't get past how COMPLETELY F*CKING UNACCEPTABLE it would be if I were handling my job this poorly with no solution to fix it. And, FWIW, I set the bar pretty low.
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My CC had mentioned withdrawing the PC app and applying for VSP, but I'm going to pass considering how poorly this thing has been managed. With the changing criteria, unexplained delays, and no justification for denials it's hard to have faith in the process. I'd rather walk away from the alleged cash than miss the boat and get hit with a 365.
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I'll ask our exec about it tomorrow. After 20 mins on hold, the TFSC says cms is down tonight. A name and phone number would be phenomenal in this process.
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Bama, 10-20 weeks to roll through the cubicles at AFPC is unsat, man. What does your PC app show for a status in CMS? If it has processed your functional, it should process to SAF/PC fairly quickly.
Vprdrvr, I never got a phone call returned either. When I did finally break through to a live human being at the PC office, I was told there is 1 guy that handles all officer apps (since by percentage there are way fewer O apps than E apps). But of the 3 guys I know who got approved in March, they all averaged about 1.5-2 months to process the system from submission date. Where does your app show at in CMS?
I'm at Referred to AFPC Palace Chase Separations (DPSOR) in CMS. I'm not sure if it's made it through the functional yet. The TFSC said that routing was internal, so not sure if I'd be able to see it. My app went to the wrong inbox at the wing and sat for 18 days, so I've got that going for me.
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Has anyone applying for traditional PC called to check processing times recently? I called last week to check my app after seeing HickPilot's quick turn time and the SUPER motivated lady at the TFSC said they'd been briefed to expect 10-20 WEEKS from arrival at AFPC. That's obviously an incomprehensible delay that would eat into most applicants' terminal leave. Hickpilot, do you have a number for someone at AFPC?
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^^ Did you submit it in 2006? Because that's when I would have expected the phrase "checking my Blackberry" to apply. Sorry man, I kid.
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^^We both know you were just looking for an excuse....
FWIW, my PC application has been sitting in the wrong CMS inbox at the Wing for 15 days awaiting signature. When they finally figured it out yesterday, everyone was out of the office for "Wingman Day"....at a fun run, hosting a circle-j*rk, or whatever it is that you do at such things.
I was going to go on a throat- punching rampage, but I remembered we have morale shirts and mustaches, so everything must be ok. So I came home, kicked the dog, and yelled at my wife. Good times.
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I'll pick 'em up when I swing by to wave my pecker at 'em through the window. BTW, anyone know what floor Retirements and Separations is on? I need to know if I'll have to rent a cherry picker.
I'll go in halfsies on the cherry picker.
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It says I will be a "force management advisor".
Wtf is that? Anyway enough of the derail. Sorry dudes, just venting.
If you dont mind me asking, what's your afsc/year group?
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VSP or 365, how are you applying for more than one program at once? I was only able to apply for one at a time in MyPers.
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I applied for regular PC today. Spoke to TFSC to make sure it was sent to the right Wg/CC and they mentioned they had 600 apps at the AFPC/PC office. They also had no update on when the Farce Management programs would get rolling again. I'm requesting a waiver of 23 months of UPT commitment and about a year off of GI Bill/IP school ADSCs.
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I don't think Big Blue is going to let pilots VSP and probably not a lot of TERAs. We are transferring a ton of planes to the Reserves and Guard. I think they are going to open up the ADSCs to allow/encourage pilots to take the Palace Chase option--not VSP/TERA. Pilots are too valuable. Regardless of the sunk costs of pilot training, we can train pilots in a short time span to be MSG officers. We can't train MSG officers to fill the Reserve/Guard pilot positions that are opening up when we move planes to the Reserves. Read the Force Structure articles and FY15 PB out there. MQ1/9s replacing U-2s and moving to the guard. F-16s moving to A-10 Reserve bases, tankers doing the same, C-130Js, etc. all moving to the Reserve/Guard. All the publicity about Total Force and increasing the role/responsibility of the Reserve/Guard. We can't let pilots go, we HAVE to let pilots go to the Reserve/Guard. I don't think the current PSDMs allow pilots to go Palace Chase if they have an ADSC, I could be wrong as I usually am.
We have to let folks out by 1 Oct to afford all of the Force Structure movement and large acquisition programs in FY15 but our hands are tied. The leadership keeps saying it, without saying it. That's what Big Blue calls transparency. It would take a pair of nuts to explicitly say it and stand by what you say, and Billy Mitchell is long gone.
If you hear the lawyers are holding up this program, it's because the FY14NDAA that came out only allows us to cut 2K people. That is a far cry from the supposedly 25K we plan to cut over the next 5 years. We have to ask for permission from Congress, OSD and CJSC to go below the FY14NDAA level. Plus, there is USC10 which says you can only get rid of a certain percent of officers based on what the FY14NDAA authorizes. Therefore, we wouldn't be able to get rid of as many people as we want to this year. We are better off waiting until next year to see what next year's FY15NDAA authorizes our end strength (hence the RIF delay). So, when you hear leadership say they are trying to designate who has authority, they are trying to clear these things up. In addition to that, there are a lot of people with ADSCs that are not waiverable based on the current PSDMs , therefore those people are eligible for the RIF but not VSP/TERA. That greatly reduces the amount of people that can apply and voids the statement that they will maximize voluntary applications before doing the involuntary measures. They have to open up the ADSCs, I just don't think many pilots will be allowed to go.
I think they are trying to see how many people and which people they should let go this year because they are limited by the FY14NDAA. Hopefully, the approval they get allows them to process all of the voluntary applications but who really knows how many applications they received. I bet they slow roll this program. That's why some TERAs with 19 are approved and nothing else. They are going to chip away at the 2K-3K people that we are allowed to reduce.
It is a complicated problem that has changed since the Force Management announcement with the FY14 NDAA coming out and it is tough to blame Welsch and Cox (who I have heard are Dudes) for not being able to predict what Congress would publish. Plus, once real lawyers (not JA) get involved nothing good can happen. That's a shot at JA, but I am sure they have been involved this whole time and never saw this coming. It is NOT tough to blame leadership for the lack of communication and lack of accountability. It's the 21st century. Tweet some sh**, make a Facebook page, make daily (not bi-monthly) posts on MyPers/vMPF. You might even get valuable feedback from the peasants you are trying to get rid of; however, you might be held accountable too and that is something we can't seem to get right in the AF.
In the end, these dudes can't and won't get fired. Deadlines spur action and they control the deadline. There is little to no incentive for them to get it right the first time, any other belief is romantic.
Hopefully these dudes grow a pair and let us know what's up. It's really not that hard to communicate. I have cancelled 2 interviews, my bosses hate me, and I haven't done anything productive at work in 6 weeks; unless you call checking MyPers, BO, and vMPF every 10-15 minutes productive. Go to church, hug your families, and tell them you're sorry for putting them through this emotional rollercoaster. Good luck.
If any of this is based is fact, you win for best first post. I'm pretty sure mine was a cat poster.
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No I have not mentioned it since we were given the word by our CC Thursday afternoon to reapply if you were denied.
I'm at a Guard base and we're getting zero info from leadership, but the TFSC said this afternoon that there has been no change to UPT ADSC waiver guidance. Also, the JQP facebook is for everyone, not just 11Ms. I hate to jump the gun and walk away from the cash by applying for PC, but I'm starting to feel like big blue isn't going to pay us to walk when we've shown we'll do it for free. My 365 isn't being put on hold while the AF gets their shit in one sock.
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Include a hire position into an ANG or USAFR position and I thinks things would go smoother.
You'd think so, but I think that's going to be an obstacle for some people. As I understand it, under the FY14 PC program, you've got to have the gaining unit information completed before you submit. Regular PC doesn't require it until well after you submit. I'm at a TFI, staying with the host guard unit, and still running into hiccups from the recruiting folks on attaching the position number to the PC form before it's signed off by the losing Wg/CC (not at my base). It's a new wrinkle that will hopefully iron itself out next week, but I'd hate to be dealing with a unit that doesn't really know me in another state. If that line of thinking holds, it gives power to the losing Wg/CC, who has no say in the matter under the regular PC program. Hopefully, it won't.
I'm not smart, and certainly not smart on ANG stuff, but it seems like we're basing the FY PC program on the assumption that ANG units will just hand out position numbers on their manning documents to these active duty guys without knowing if they'll actually be approved to separate or not. All it's going to take is for a few units to "hire" guys who don't get PC approved and miss out on the off-the-street hires & other PC'ing folks that they have to turn down because they're out of "positions" before the PC program starts to stink as bad as VSP.
This post is heavy on opinion, so call me out if you think it's off base. I'm talking out of my a**, but I think the gaining unit information was added as a requirement to the FY program because A1/AFPC is requesting delegation of the ADSC waiver authority from SAF, who normally processes PC apps. This way they know the folks they're letting out are walking into a job somewhere. I think that as an unintended consequence, they've created a catch 22.
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this is completely and utterly false. The entire point behind the Palace Chase program is to transfer your remaining commitment to the reserves. So unlike the LADSC waiver or VSP where you are ridding yourself of an ADSC entirely, you are merely transferring it to a different entity. I think they are mixing and matching the programs and dont have a clue. I would try to talk to a different bases ISR or their chief to ensure they are giving people the correct information. i hate it when people are misinformed, I especially hate it when they are misinformed by people who are supposed to be the subject matter experts. AHHHHHHHHHHHH
I don't disagree at all, just parroting what I was told. They did say that people with less than 4 years of UPT ADSC remaining are being approved right now through the "regular" PC program. I don't really care which set of wickets my application travels through as long as it's approved.
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That sucks. Hang in there.
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