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Oh the timing of that. My base closed for inclement weather (no one knows how to drive in snow). Guess I have to wait even longer then... Good luck everybody

From what I've heard, guard squadrons are incredibly competitive. Based on everything I've heard, the most common guys that get picked up are former active duty pilots preferably in that airframe with a ton of flying hours and cool/fun personalities to be around. Read into that how you want. Definitely not requirements as I've heard of guys without that resume get in. I would say the personality is probably a requirement though lol I was the guy that accepted the CSO slot in hopes of eventually reapplying to UPT. I kept my mouth shut about it, worked hard and ended up starting an awesome career in the strike eagle. 10/10 I would recommend to anyone that wants to fly fighters (yes we fly the jet too). Viper pilots see us as second class citizens but those guys are bingo-ing out halfway through the VUL while we're doing the heavy lifting so I don't really listen to them anyway. All that to say, if you get offered a CSO slot not all hope is lost. I'm still applying to UPT, this is my second year applying. I was an alternate last year. I have a lot of reasons to be hopeful this time around, should find out any day. Fingers crossed

Still holding out hope tomorrow's the day. Last year, they released results to commanders towards the end of the day on Jan 10, so most guys actually found out on the 11th

I'm guessing commanders get the email next week at the earliest. Just my gut/no hope lol

10 Jan was when commanders found out. That message above is referring to when results are released to the public which is 7 days later. "Late Jan" could very well be considered 17 Jan. Either way it seems like a long time if they already have the names

Don't count yourself out yet. You submitted your application still, right?

If you are only interested in interacting with pilots, I recommend AFE and maybe Intel. If you interested in applying to pilot training, I recommend ATC.

I feel like the last 11 months went by quick and this last month is dragging on. Good luck!

I recommend Air Traffic Control. You get to work in the control tower, talk to pilots on the radio, and watch them takeoff and land. I would also guess ATC would be better for eventually applying to UPT because you get good at talking on the radio and already understand a lot of local flying operations. Anecdotally I know several enlisted ATC guys that were picked up for pilot but don't know any AFE guys.

Congrats! What were the best and worst parts of your UPT experience?

Last years scores? Highlights were 88 PCSM, 99 pilot AFOQT, 25 flying hours, 100 on the PT test (lol), #2 Wing ranking, and wing commander letter of rec. Lowlights were I was a newly promoted captain with not much on my resume yet. Some minor awards and accomplishments but nothing substantial to showcase my leadership or potential. My leadership knew I was a great applicant but I ultimately wasn't able to prove that to AFPC. Also had a 2.9 college GPA. I'm not sure if that's a huge problem but it's worth noting. I majored in civil engineering and consistently worked 2 part time jobs plus a year-round internship throughout college to make ends meet so it was tough balancing school work, studying and paying the bills (I was very poor and did not come from money). AFPC just sees a GPA though, not the back story. I mentioned this in a previous comment either in this thread or last years thread: AFPC really cares about leadership. The "quantifiable numbers" like PCSM, AFOQT, etc make up only 30% of how they score an applicant. They care much more about what you've done as an officer and what you're capable of doing. This last year I focused on improving my application in those areas. In some ways, I didn't have to do anything other than continue doing a good job at my job, and based off natural career progression for my AFSC in a year's time I would have a lot to showcase. In other ways I actively looked for opportunities to include on my application (volunteer work, projo, queep, etc). Fingers crossed I did it right this time. I figure if I don't get selected, I still set myself up for success otherwise

Same here! Was an alternate, ultimately not selected though. Now for a not-so-fun story: I know a current pilot that was an alternate his first time applying. His second time applying he wasn't even an alternate 😬 then on his THIRD time applying he wasn't selected AGAIN even though he was like ACC WSO of the Year and #1 push from his Wing. His leadership called and ultimately changed their minds on that third try.

The number of selects sounds the same, but does anyone know how many applicants there were last year? I feel like there was a lot more last year (300ish?), so the percentage of selects would be higher

Yeah those numbers look similar to last year. Crazy to think the results aren't going to be released for another 2 months. Anyone know why it takes so long to release the results?

Your stats should be perfect for UPT, but I'd be worried they'll give you ABM since you put it on there and they need good ABMs

Yeah I guess my question is what constitutes a perfect score vs how do they subtract points? I noticed the starting point is 7.5, so what are the thresholds for adding/subtracting. I.e. I assume Wing ranking of #1 is worth a certain amount of points, I assume a certain AFOQT/PCSM scores equates to a certain amount of points, etc etc. Or am I assuming incorrectly? Also, how do they score subjective things such as letter of rec and personal letter?

@FloridaMan26 Any clarification on the scoring and evaluation slide? I see it's on a scale of 1-10 but what's the criteria for adding points up?

Same as @dillonberg92 I emailed the board confirming they received it. They replied they did but I did not receive an automatic email

I remember seeing 69 selected and couldn't help but wonder if that number was intentional... Lol I hope you're right about alternating!

Just submitted mine. Here's my stats: - 88 PCSM - 99 AFOQT - 25 Flight hours (No PPL) - Gp/CC (O-6) signed my letter of rec - 1 out of 5 Wing ranking on AF215 For perspective, I applied last year, was selected as an alternate but ultimately not picked up. I was given feedback by the AFPC board that 40% of what they look at is leadership qualities and 30% is potential. So this last year I focused on improving in those areas and made sure I included them in my letter of rec, personal letter, and bullets in the AF215. I believe it helped me earn the top Wing ranking. The main thing I did not do is get more civilian flying hours/get a PPL. I don't want to spend thousands of dollars if I don't need to. Fingers crossed I make it this time, and good luck to everybody else. Edit: for the curious, AFPC said the remaining 30% of what they look at is the quantifiable numbers (gpa, fitness test, test scores, etc)

Only because I'm stuck at a computer at work with nothing to do and curious, I tried looking it up and couldn't find the disqualifying statement you referenced. Where does it say it? Edit: nevermind, I found it. AFMAN 36-2023, Table 10.6, Rule 8 references Attachment 24.

That doesn't make any sense at all! Sorry to hear that. I would think they would appreciate having an officer bringing knowledge of how sister services operate.

Only guessing here, but I think you have to contact an OTS recruiter and apply as a civilian for your AF commission. That's what I did, but I wasn't prior service. Either way, they should be able to point you in the right direction. *Make sure you contact an officer recruiter not an enlisted recruiter. Edit: being a prior service officer will greatly help your application for obvious reasons as long as you separated for good reasons. I'm 90% certain this is the way.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but just to properly set your expectations. Getting your FC1 can/probably will take a while. If I had to guess a range, it will take 2-6 months. If you haven't started it, you are unlikely to submit your application on time. The good news is once you get it, it's valid for 4 years so you don't need to worry about for next years application. You can always reach out to the AFPC selection board with questions, I have found them to be very responsive and helpful. Their email is AFPC.DPMO.UFTBOARD@us.af.mil