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It states how to salute and when to return a salute, not when to give one.
Disagreed.
As I quoted, "All Air Force personnel in uniform are required to salute when they encounter any person or situation entitled to the salute" (para 8.1.1), and "Salute When: When recognized by the junior member" (para 8.1.3).
The sources you cite are undoubtedly good ones, but they are not official guidance--putting them squarely in the "good advice"/"rule of thumb" category. [This is exactly rotorhead's point, IIUC.]
Personally, I don't understand why this is difficult...??? Everything we've discussed so far falls squarely within everything I've been taught and have seen since Day 1, all the way back to my ROTC days. I can't recall having seen this reg since that time, but nothing in it caught me by surprise.... I saw a reference in one of your linked sources to AFMAN 36-2203, so, what the hell, I took a look at that as well. Nothing in there to change anything that's been said here. Most applicable passage is para 3.6.1, in relevant part: "To prescribe an exact distance for all circumstances is not practical, but good judgment indicates when salutes should be exchanged."
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Since I have not had to do it lately...what is the rule on saluting like the Wing King if he/she is driving by and lets say you are walking in the parking lot....do you salute the car if it has the fancy bird hanging off the grill??
What do you suppose the odds are that that exact situation is covered in the "salute" reg that has already been cited twice in this thread alone?
http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/shared/medi.../AFI34-1201.pdf
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Isn't there some sort of stated AFI distance beyond which you do NOT salute? I thought it was 6 paces or some such thing. 50 yards is beyond where I would salute. Last week I did the nod and wave to a LtCol who was maybe 15 yards away. I would gladly salute if we crossed paths or were anywhere near in the same vicinity, but if you are across the parking lot from each other, a salute doesn't make sense, and I'm pretty sure the AFI backs that up.
Short answer is NO.
Longer answer is that the salute IS the greeting--not the "nod and wave." You may be thinking of the verbal part of the greeting, wherein you obviously need to be within audible greeting distance. Relevant AFI passages below.
Bottom line, the junior greets the senior by way of salute. Your "across the parking lot" example is perfect--if you're across the parking lot & not interacting, then no, the salute doesn't make sense. However, if you've recognized each other (and you clearly have, both in your example and in Mutt's), the junior is obligated to salute the senior. Your "6 paces" is a reasonable rule of thumb for when to initiate when approaching a senior officer, but it can't cover all situations.
AFI 34-1201, "Protocol," 4 Oct 06 (already cited earlier in this thread, if you look back), in relevant part:
8.1. Hand Salutes.
8.1.1. The hand salute is the form of greeting and recognition exchanged between persons in the
armed services. All Air Force personnel in uniform are required to salute when they encounter any
person or situation entitled to the salute.
8.1.1.1. When the salute is rendered to another person, the junior member initiates the salute
accompanied with an appropriate verbal greeting, e.g., Good Morning, Sir/Ma’am.” Salute and
extend the verbal greeting at a distance at which recognition is easy and audible. Offer your salute
early enough to allow the senior time to return it and extend a verbal greeting before you pass. All
salutes received when in uniform shall be returned; at other times, salutes received shall be appropriately
acknowledged.
8.1.3. A member not in formation but in uniform, salutes as follows:
NOTE: Rendering/returning salutes is not required if either or both are in civilian attire or have their
hands full; however, a greeting such as good morning sir/ma’am” is appropriate.
Who
United States Air Force Officers Senior in Rank
Where
Outdoors
Salute When
When recognized by the junior member
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My personal situation that I passed through was TDY at Lackland as a brandnew 2Lt. While walking throught he parking lot near Defense Language Inst, I made eye contace w/ an O-6 who was approx about 50+ yards away. I acknowledged him by nodding my head and saying "Sir". Short of a full run, he ordered me to stop and stand at attention. For about 10 min, he proceeded to chew every bit of my ass for not presenting the proper customs and courties. He took my unit information and contacted my O-5. That same day I get a call from my boss. The beauty of it is that he thought the O-6 was a total assclown and reminded me to keep my SA at LAFB. From that point on I always followed the "when is doubt, whip it out" rule.
Umm... so, you were passing an O-6 in such a manner that both of you were able to establish eye-contact, and you chose not to salute? While I can't agree w/ the approach the colonel took in correcting you, you WERE wrong....
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I refer to "contract quarters" in the sense that the rooms (typically a whole hotel) are rented/reserved by base Lodging (via Contracting). In such cases, you often won't even be paying the bill yourself (your lodging cost for that location is 0), rather it's paid for via the USAF contract. In either case, the hotel effectively "becomes" Billeting (just like your rental car is a GOV). In that sense, quarters ARE available--they just happen to be off-base. In the cases where I've been in contract quarters (of the sort I describe here), YES, it is a different form, and it's an "assignment of quarters" rather a "quarters not available" form.
If there's another flavor of "contract quarters" out there wherein you get issued a non-A slip, that may be a finer point I'm unaware of. I suspect the language on any form you're given when you don't get a room on base should make it clear whether you're being *assigned* a lodging location, versus *denied* base lodging (even if there's a downtown location written on the form). I've had several non-A's over the years where they "helpfully" made reservations at one of the hotels they work w/ downtown. Those are only suggestions and may save some effort/time on your part. Of course, the closest hotel may be a fleabag in which you have no intention of staying. Sometimes I've used the one they've made, others I haven't--and I've never had a problem w/ off base lodging that's at or below the local lodging rate, so long as I have the non-A form (regardless of whether the hotel on the form matches the hotel on my receipt).
Someone shake Finance Guy's cage--this is far more up his alley than mine....
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Just out of curiousity, what mil planes DON'T have TCAS?
I'm guessing only 130 E/H, A-10, U-2, B-2...?
I've been told B-52s do NOT have TCAS (or anything else resembling modern avionics)....
DISCLAIMER: I'm not a BUFF guy, I just work with a lot of them....
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it seems like a giant waste of money to me.
Since when has that been an impediment to our acquisition process...?
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military jumps are to civilian jumps as military flight hours are to civilian flight hours.
Overgeneralizing to include all "flight hours" in the same group (vice considering "pilot hours") is why your analogy doesn't work. How about "... as military vehicle qualification is to civilian vehicle qualification"--cool, so a Navy sub driver can get a 747 type rating! Fail #1.
Yes, I made the assumption that he was actually flying the plane.Why? The Air Force has a term for the person who does that: "pilot." Fail #2.
Lets use our critical thinking skills here. Remember those pesky little things on your fourth grade proficiency test called analogies:Getting snotty for no particular reason...? Fail #3.
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I know its not the exact same, but I can't see why your situation would be any different.
You can't see why there's a difference between military jumping counting toward civilian jumping qual, vs military navigating counting toward civilian piloting qual? Really?
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That's a Navy thing. When I drive on base in my civvies, I return the gate guard's salute. If I'm told to report into the CC for disciplinary action, or something else equally formal, I salute. We don't wear covers indoor either, unless under arms.
Negative. I'm AF, not Navy. As you quoted from my post, I said "very broad terms" (and emphasized the "very"). I salute in the circumstances you cite as well, without a hat on (and, as for the gate example, one always returns a salute, IMHO).
As for indoors, one certainly does wear cover sometimes, such as in a formation or in a "designated outdoor ceremony".... I can't possibly list all the exceptions (hell, I surely don't know all of the exceptions!), and made no attempt to do so.
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someone can tell me that they were in the OK because they were under a roof?
Kayla:
That's the short answer. In very broad terms, you only salute when wearing cover (hat); in equally broad terms, you only wear cover when not otherwise covered (indoors, or, in this case, under a roof). All kinds of exceptions, and all kinds of interpretations and local rules come into play (say, perhaps your location has the whole park as a "no hat, no salute" area; or on the other hand, perhaps there's a local rule that says the park pavillions are not cover for purposes of hat wearing).... Were the folks in question (a) in uniform and (b) not wearing hats? They should stand at attention, but not salute.
BTW--that's pretty cool that the 2yos were showing respect to the nat'l anthem. I know any number of adults who could learn from them....
EDIT: Actually, Nova answered this question in post #3 of this thread--in other words, the folks in question are "indoors" for purposes of this discussion.
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I gave him my office number and asked him to call me for an appt
I hope you'll post the follow-up to this; I'd like to hear how this plays out....
look at it this way - a lot of federal holidays fall on Mondays...2!!!
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For that amount, your graduation party batter have hookers and blow.
Didn't yours...?
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Are you kidding me? You are asking this question after giving me a few spankings on my answers on the same subject and your keen advice to others. Starts about here: http://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/index...st&p=198540
Negative. Not the same subject (though closely related, true). I'm specifically asking under what circumstances the warning on my LES about exceeding the election "exceeding the net amount due" kicks in. Anything substantially less than 100% on all categories will obviously render this moot--and, the last time I was in a CZTE, the limit on base pay was 10%. This is new to me.
Net pay is what you bring home. So if you bring home $2,000 a paycheck as net every payday, then $4k is all you can put towards TSP (assuming twice a month paydays). If your TSP amount exceeds the $4k, then the system will not deduct anything for TSP. Kind of like a check bouncing.I get that. The possibility I'm concerned with is if FITW, FICA, SGLI, other allotments (say, USSDP contributions) must be paid from taxable income--goes back to what I said about not being sure what "net amount due" means. I "think" that, so long as those other decutions add up to less than the amount that can't go into the TSP in any case (BAH & BAS), I'm safe--i.e., what you just said about "net pay," a familiar term. Your answer & Toro's both seem to support that--thank you.
FTR, you appear to have taken personal offense to our disagreement ref the TSP & CZTE in the other thread (I hadn't read this one at the time). Please don't. While I did (and do) disagree with your point [pretty thoroughly beat to death over there], I did not intend to offend or insult--and, if I did so, I apologize.
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Is the SDP something you've used in the past Toro?
I'd like to buy a house in the next year or so and I will need access to this money and it seems as though I can earn a much better interest rate while retaining access than say a conventional CD/MMA. Not to mention the USAA account it's sitting in currently isn't earning nearly as much.
Waldo, I've used it in the past. Doesn't quite work the way you've described. As FG said earlier in the thread, your deposits are "disposable income"--in other words, comes from your pay. If memory serves [it's been a long time], it's "unallotted base pay" that defines the limit. You can "write a check," but only for up to that amount. That comes into play in your first month of depositing--once day 30 hits, your monthly limit applies for the current calendar month. So, if you've already received your MM pay (i.e., you arrived in theater in the second half of the previous month, so 30 days later you're in the second half of the current month), you need to supply the funds (up to the limit) from another source. After that, paying into the USSDP via allotment is easiest.
The "access" question is an "it depends" situation--you can't get the money out (except interest that puts the balance above $10K) until *after* you redeploy. If that works for your timing, great, but that's no different from getting a CD that matures in the timeframe you need. I agree, though--where else are you gonna got 10% these days?? The account will keep earning interest (@ 10%) up to three months after you leave the CZTE. No money comes out until you ask for it--in other words, it will sit there, dormant, until you withdraw it.
Second disclaimer: this is from memory, it's been a while. FG can probably fill in any gaps.
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THREAD REVIVAL
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but this thread is the closest my search found.
I'm headed off to the desert in a few months. It's my intention to max out the TSP (or come as close as possible). It's been so long since I deployed that there were still limits on percent of base pay that could be contributed. Nowadays, making all categories 100% would seem to be the way to achieve the max....
HOWEVER, I see the following statement on all my LES's: "IF TSP ELECTION AMT EXCEEDS NET AMT DUE, TSP WILL NOT BE DEDUCTED." I'm not really sure what that means. I *think* what it's telling me is that if the TSP contribution (calculated based on the percentages I set) would result in a negative number after all my other deductions, then the whole contribution is cancelled. Yes/no?
If that's true, my thinking is that so long as my non-TSP eligible pay (BAH, BAS) exceeds all my deductions (FITW, FICA, SGLI, any allotments I may have), that I don't need to worry about this. Yes/no?
If not, then I want to get my arms around how it works, so I don't end up missing a month or more opportunity to contribute.... Thanks!
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In 2009 I will likely be in a CZTE area for 2 months. I will get paid the bonus in June, and not be in the zone until Nov-Dec. I would like to deposit the entire bonus, plus the 16,500 into the TSP.
CZTE in Nov/Dec has no impact on your taxable income earned in June for purposes of TSP contributions. In any case, you can't deposit the whole bonus--currently you're limited to $16,500 tax-deferred TSP contribution annually & $7,368.30 tax-exempt (whether deposited into TSP or not) in any single month. These are 2009 numbers, and I'm assuming you're an officer & under age 50 by nature of your question. Add those up, and $23,868.30 is the max you can contribute in any one month.
- Is this possible/legal? Do I need to be in the CZTE area the month I receive the bonus to deposit the entire amount in the TSP? (With the obvious risk that if I don't get to the CZTE in 2009, I am royally ######ed)No, not possible (same answer as above). Yes, you have to be in the CZTE zone during the month you get the bonus for it to have any impact on your tax exempt amount (whether or not you put it in the TSP). If your taxable income already exceeds the CZTE limit (typically, O-4 w/ 12 years on flight pay, if memory serves), then being in a CZTE zone during your bonus month won't affect your taxes at all (i.e., the entire bonus will be taxable, just as if you were at home).
- If not, could I up the amount deposited each month during 2009 to total (25,000) + (my standard percentage), then live off the bonus?- Or, could I elect to deposit 100% of my pay in Nov-Dec and live off the bonus in those months as required?
- If I am in the CZTE area for only one or two months in a year, am I still eligible to deposit 49,000 in the TSP?
None of these work, either, for much the same reasons. The $49K annual limit doesn't give you license to deposit income you don't have into the TSP. What that means is, your $16,500 deferred contribution limit applies whether or not you're in the CZTE. Let's say you max that out before you get to the desert. You've got $32,500 "left" before you hit that limit--but, the only flavor of money you get as a military member that you can put in the TSP but not count against the $16.5K limit is tax-exempt pay. The $7,368.30 monthly limit kicks in, so you can only add toward that $32.5K month-by-month at $7.3K each--in other words, you have to be in a CZTE zone at least 5 months to reach the $49K limit, AND that assumes that you've maxed out your deferred contribution limit of $16.5.
My approach is to make sure my "normal" monthly contributions are set to ensure I'll reach the annual limit ($16,500 this year) whether or not I'll be in the desert. If I find myself going to the desert, I bump everything to the max and live off of savings as you suggest (I don't need much--as a single guy, my expenses drop to virtually nothing when I deploy). This runs the risk of "missing" the first month's max TSP contribution, since you have to make the change in the month prior (not sure exactly when the cut-off date is) for the contribution to change. But, if you have a predictable deployment schedule, this will work.
BTW, if you're looking to max your desert $$$, make sure to max out the USSDP, too--up to $10K at 10%, where ya gonna beat that these days??
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Can I add 16G4 as a secondary AFSC?
Is 16G a "real" AFSC? Isn't just "general staff"--i.e., any AFSC can fill it? If so, than having it as a secondary won't mean a thing (i.e., even "less of a thing" than others have pointed out--correctly, IMO--a secondary AFSC means to begin with).
Analogy: I was an 11G in my staff job ("general pilot"--any 11x can fill it). There's no point to me getting a secondary AFSC for something that I would be eligible for no matter what my AFSC (11x) is or what AFSCs are listed on my SURF....
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Let's say - for the sake of making the math easy - I currently pay $368.30 in Federal taxes a month. With that excluded, I am eligible to receive an additional $7000 tax free
Why are you "excluding" your withholding amount? What's excluded is your income (up to the ~$7,400 limit). Remember, your monthly withholding is not the tax you're paying, it's an estimated installment on your overall tax liability for the year.
So - based off these figures - you take away about an extra two grand from being deployed when you get the bonus? Math in public, brain hurts...but does this look right?No, because you're ignoring your base + fly + hfp = taxable income that is already subject to the exclusion. Depends on your rank & years for flight pay purposes, but if your normal total taxable income for the month is over the limit, receiving the bonus in the CZTE makes no difference for your tax exclusion; if your normal taxable income is below the limit, the first $X of the bonus to bring it up to the limit is an additional tax exempt amount.
A better way to look at this is what tax bracket you're in. If you're going to be in the desert a lot, you'll probably drop down the 15% (or lower?)--multiple CZTE months make this a bit tough to estimate. Anyway, go w/ 15% for argument. Figure out what "X" is (how much your normal total taxable income is below the limit), multiply that by 15% (the tax you "would have" paid on X if not in CZTE), that's your tax advantage. Bottom line, not going to be a large amount, certainly not $2K.j
PS: Sputnik pretty much answered this earlier in the thread: http://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/index...st&p=162499
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Other option...
Why is that necessary? There's no requirement for HHG to be moved prior to outprocessing the base.
Now, you may find it easier to move "as a family" if Hubby comes back from LTS (on the AF's nickel), then outprocesses, then off you go. But you can set your HHG move up for any time after you have orders in hand, and it need not be prior to outprocessing. If you want/need Hubby back to help get out of Dodge, then an out-and-back TDY is the way to go; if that's not an issue for you (or if you can't get the orders changed), you can still move when it's convenient for you. Hell, you can still have Hubby come back and move with you--but it'll be on your nickel & he'll be burning leave for any days in addition to his official travel time from LTS - Base X.
ALSO: I take it you're on base? I've never lived in base housing, so this is based on hearsay. BUT, I believe there's not even a requirement to move out of base housing in the situation you describe. Probably more complicated and must have housing office's involvement, but you can extend your move-out date to coincide w/ your actual move. If you get out-and-back orders, this is a non-issue; but it sounds like this would be the easiest way to go. Again, I have not personally done this, but I have friends who have...
Masters information (MBA/GRE)
in General Discussion
Posted · Edited by Jughead
"Bachelors+" = "I don't have a Masters"; I don't know how heavily that's weighted on the O-4 board these days, but to the extent it's used as a discriminator, you're leaving yourself behind. [My opinion.]
Webster's MBA program can be done in under a year, particularly if you already have some classes under your belt (and, Webster will take just about anything toward elective credit). [My experience.]
Finishing the *degree* isn't truly the important date, it's *how quickly can you get it into your records*. Your Officer Selection Brief (correct term?) is pulled the day prior to the board meeting, so if it's in your record by then, the board will see it. How quickly you can get it into your records depends on both your school (most are reasonably fast, but they may have their own built-in delays for "review," etc., before the degree is actually awarded) and AFIT (who owns the process for recording academic degrees; they're usually pretty quick, since it's just data entry at that point). [My experience & my understanding of the process.]
Advice? If getting promoted is your goal, play the game. We can argue the sensibility of the rules all day, but the rules clearly are that "officers must get a masters degree to advance." Get your degree done before the board--even if it's a "check the square" degree--then get the degree you really want at your leisure. It will never hurt you to have an "extra" degree, but not having the first one can/will hurt you on promotion boards.