Jump to content

Lawman

Supreme User
  • Posts

    1,704
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    37

Posts posted by Lawman

  1. I think we all can agree to the common definitions of 'shutting down the border' involves attaining the highest fidelity of exactly who is coming across our border anywhere along the border as much as possible.  I don't think anyone in here thinks 'shutting down the border' actually means closing the border at actual border entry/crossing points.  

    If they are concerned with that then the funding bill they’ve all decided to unilaterally scream about would actually fix those identified issues.
    Closing down those ports of entry which is what the 5k number they are so hung up on is exactly counter to effecting how we account for and maintain close hold on people coming across the border. Whatever the status of the border makes absolutely no effect to the rat line movement of illegals.

    Now instead you get to have less agents with less resources being told make do while a bunch of idiots act like the purpose of this law was to just yeet 5k illegals into the general population.

    What’s that old mantra about a good plan executed now vs a perfect plan executed never… yeah that’s our actions on the border.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    • Haha 1
  2. Refugees have a responsibility to seek asylum in the first safe country they reach, not the one with the best career opportunities or welfare programs. If we enforced this principle with the remain in Mexico policy we would be able to distinguish the myriad of illegal crossings from legitimate asylum claims.
    As it stands you just state that you're seeking asylum, you get a court date, and you get released into the country with no risk of deportation when you skip your court appearance. How is this fundamentally different from letting 5000 people in directly? It just takes 1 extra step where you have to say the magic words.
    Semantics 

    - Because it shortens the time to process an asylum claim significantly from the current backlog and increases the codified standards for a legitimate asylum claim…

    - Because it provides much needed funding to expand holding ability on the border which has gone over capacity long before Biden (see the giant tent on Fort Bliss for example)…

    - Because it moves the threshold for control of authority to shut down the border below the office of the president to Homeland security now being able to do so…

    You had republicans negotiating to create this bill. Maybe listen to what they say about it and not some blowhard on Twitter.

    There is a reason we don’t name the Cartels set up along the border Narco-terror organizations officially, doing so would allow an immediate get asylum card to anybody standing on that side of the border.

    Nobody is ever “shutting down the border” if that’s your end goal fantasy just forget about it. Again it’s a near trillion dollar trade corridor thanks largely to Trump renegotiating NAFTA. Every time we “close the border” makes a negative impact on that in our economy to the tune of a few hundred million dollars a day, not to mention disruptions to global supply chains.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  3. False. You are in love with semantical arguments. The no shit text uses the terms “alien” and “encounter.” It literally says the border is not shut down until the 7 day average of “alien encounters” surpasses 5k. Alien is everyone - the terrorist, the Chinese spy, the trafficked kid, the drug runner, the AFG refugee, etc. There is no delineation between who that alien is in the text. So I guess if it helps your brain work better - replace “illegal” with “alien” in all the quotes your railing against and they are 100% accurate sentiments. Word smithing gymnastics doesn’t change the basis of the argument.

    No, because aliens and encounters or illegals or whatever title you want to give them are already detained-identified-processed-deported/apply for asylum.

    Catch and release was a result of the current equipped process not having the beds or people to do so within the prescribed legal time limits and forcing their release for a future day in court on our side of the border.

    5k a day stops the function of processing people through the assigned ports of entry for whatever excuse they are given. Those ports of entry are there for exactly that purpose, entry, whether that entry is to people claiming asylum or the tens of thousands of people that cross the border on work permits. It makes absolutely no impact on BP agents detaining bands of illegal aliens being smuggled across through the rat lines. Those people caught are detained, only now they’d actually be doing it with more agents on the border and a faster process to send them home. What a terrible thing to have happen if this is the number 1 threat to our country.

    Mexico is the number 1 trade partner for the Is economy. You aren’t simply building a wall and slamming the doors shut until we figure this out no matter how much you claim that to be a sound strategy.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  4. You’re not wrong, but semantics are still at play. Up to 4999 rolling daily average and CBP keeps the border open. Only at 5000 average do they have the power to shut down the border (which is described as an “emergency” action and intended to be temp in nature). Or they could just shut down the border right now and leave it shut until we fix this disaster of epic proportions. We’re in a massive emergency situation, but the bill doesn’t support that fact until the daily average getting through is 5k+. In summary, this bill’s supporters are tacitly OK with 4999 daily average.

    The border doesn’t open/shut to illegals, that action is already done with apprehension-identification-detention-deportation. And the problem being ignored by the people screaming about “5k illegals!” Is that because that process is undermanned and under equipped logistically it has led to “catch and release.” That’s exactly why the Border Patrol Agents union was supporting this bill. They’d rather apply pressure to a bleeding wound that stand around waiting for the perfect bill which will never pass in Congress.

    The 5k triggers a stop in our processing if political refugees even applying for asylum. That doesn’t just close the border to illegal crossings, it closes it to people who have legitimate reason for requesting asylum as well. That’s not us telling some military aged male Chinese guy to get F’d it’s telling some family from Myanmar or one of our Afghan translators that smuggled themselves out sorry our services are closed for the moment.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    • Downvote 2
  5. Semantics.

    No it’s a flatly transparent lie about what actually happens on the border.

    The people screaming no to this law and saying “5k a day is unacceptable” are acting like after it’s passed the border patrol walks up on a group of 500 illegals crossing they check a tracker and go “well we’re only at 3450… It’s ok folks you’re free to go. Dallas is that way.”

    That’s not what happens, nor is it what would happen under this law.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    • Downvote 2
  6. Gang load the oxygen regulator, you’re suffering hypoxia.
    The people “tasked with doing something” is the current administration who’s ignored the law and opened the “door” and told every douchenozzle in the world to “come on in”.

    It’s like you slept through 8th grade civics.

    There are two chambers of government tasked with forming laws to guide the left and right limits of government to include the office of the executive. Those chambers are now not doing anything until Feb 28 about this crises while you of scream about Biden.

    Guess it’s not really a problem that needs fixing if you’re ok with that.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    • Downvote 2
  7. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/02/14/national-security-threat-mike-turner/
     
    It’s Russian space nukes, not Iran.
    I believe I saw a documentary about this back in the day…
    image.thumb.jpeg.34583b0d37d8ebd50b66e89807fe943a.jpeg

    Why do I think this movie is honestly a good deal of the reason it’s so important we talk about this threat…

    “Nukes deployed in space….” during some intel briefing on threats which is by no means a new idea and you get immediate reaction because we’ve seen that in popular media.

    Meanwhile start talking about front and back access high power microwave systems that could threaten our constellations and the eyes roll back in the head of your audience.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    • Upvote 1
  8. how's this smart guy.... ZERO illegal immigration. period. no wait in US for your court date. wall.
    there should be NO compromise on the border. none. it's a ing border...don't cross it illegally. bring back "remain in mexico"
    i DGAF how you call it...."encounters"..."illegals"...the number of 5,000 PER ING DAY is unacceptable.

    You’re not getting a wall or a minefield or whatever other jingoistic fantasy you think will ever achieve your “No Compromise” solution. That border is an 800 billion dollar trade corridor remember?

    This won’t be voted on simply because the people actually tasked with doing something about this crisis arent nearly as concerned with making real impact to it as they are pounding their chest and campaign off it. With a larger majority margin of control and the actual presidency the wall couldn’t happen. You are vastly confused at how bargaining positions actually work when Republicans can afford exactly 2 defections voting as a party to achieve even a simple majority much less get anything done.

    And meanwhile instead of actually changing things like catch and release in codified law which an executive can’t ignore or empowering asylum requests to be literally ignored once triggered by the 5k number you’re mischaracterizing, or putting a F load more agents and facilities to deal with the problem, you’ll get the continued status quo and solve nothing. So much winning.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  9. “Here’s what the people pushing this ‘deal’ aren’t telling you: It accepts 5,000 illegal immigrants a day,” said House Majority Leader Steve Scalise, R-La., in a Feb. 4 X post.
     
    i suppose you're calling steve scalise a "low information parrot" then. you really are a piece of work.
     

    Oh wow a congressman said it on twitter. In like a whole sentence? Omg it must be true… except no it isn’t.

    https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2024/no-the-senate-immigration-bill-does-not-allow-5000-people-to-illegally-enter-the-us-daily/

    https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/no-senate-border-bill-would-not-have-allowed-5000-migrants-per-day-verify/65-ad109cd1-6671-4d0c-8239-b5e4b4d4d951


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
    • Downvote 1
  10. 100%. The people could stop this bullshit pretty quickly, but they won’t, because TikTok, Obama Phones, etc. 

    The algorithm rewards the lizard brain.

    You kind find videos from Forbes of “so and so owns ____.”

    The irony of having Congress hold a public hearing to grandstand blasting the heads of the very media methods they use to spread populist reelection sound bites should not be lost on anybody. Absolutely nothing of impact changed from that meeting and all it did was set up reelection video fodder for a bunch of asshats who aren’t doing their real job.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    • Downvote 1
  11. any deal that ALLOWS 5,000 illegals PER DAY is a no starter.
    saying no to that is perfectly acceptable. biden created the border crisis. not the republicans.
    but enough thread derail back to the russians.

    Except it doesn’t (or rather didn’t) allow that at all, as stated by the Border Patrol reps when they issued their support for the bill.

    But hey thanks for representing the low information parrots to dumb talking points and obstructionism that I was talking about. It’s good to know you’re useful for something.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    • Downvote 3
  12. If your argument is "you have to read the entire bill in its legislative text form before you are allowed to have an opinion on it" then there is a follow-on issue with your claim that the Republican senators in favor of it should be some sort of endorsement. I assure you, they did not read the bill in its entirety.
     
    Unfortunately the conflict in Ukraine is not exempted from the process of politics. You ask why Israel gets a pass on their funding, that's because both sides believe in funding them. That's it. Ukraine does not share the same support, so it must go through a more negotiated process.
     
    I would love to live in the world where political brinksmanship wasn't the standard on every issue everyday. But we are nearing the end of this saeculum, and that's just how it works. In 20 to 30 years, if we are both still around, we can marvel at the newfound efficiency that follows great global conflicts, and the cycle will repeat once more.

    No I’m making a comment about him saying he can find the truth in the issues for himself like it’s not days you can count on one hand since the public could actually read this bill.

    Everybody speaking on it authoritatively was doing so with second hand information, the difference being a whole lot of critics lined up to get behind Trump’s avalanche of criticism when that guy currently has as much access to things like security briefings or the goings on in Congressional committees as Taylor Swift has. But he gets on X to bitch about stuff in a bill that would threaten his reelection campaign and wow suddenly it’s a bad bill.

    I’m pragmatic about reality which some seem to not want to acknowledge. If this is truly the crises that demands all action than any forward progress is needed, that’s exactly what the Border Patrol union leaders were saying when they came out and supported this bill. But when you have people like Troy Nehls saying any deal is effectively dead because it’s more critical to hurt Biden than secure any action on the border, yeah it’s clear we are cutting off our nose to spite our face. The wing of the Republican Party saying no to any assistance from democrats and demanding their bills be considered are ignoring the fact they can’t do this without democrats, and their vocal public defections actually weaken the Republican position in bargaining for a better deal. They’re posturing to make deals like they control either the chambers with some sweeping margin, they don’t.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  13. Absolutely! Throw in term limits, age limits, and a transition back to the federalized system we should be, and we’ll be on a relatively smooth path to another few hundred years of being the greatest nation on earth.  But no, that won’t happen, because power greed is a real thing.

    I mean we (a general electorate) bring a ton of this on ourselves in the media generation as Congressional popularity has become more important than actual performance in the chambers.

    Go to YouTube and look around at how many videos of a grandstanding congressman/senator in some committee or public hearing, it’s what we reward them on. Then compare the loudest most obnoxious but seemingly popular idiots (because media loves it too) and then compare what legislation they’ve actually advanced…

    We are going backwards but the collective whole doesn’t notice because they’d rather watch clips of _____ owning _____ at some worthless hearing.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. Ummm, yeah—let’s severely reduce our footprint overseas and bring those costs down as well.  And again, I don’t worry about Russia attacking the US anytime soon.  Here’s a novel idea:  Allow Europe to defend…oh, I don’t know…Europe?
    You know what I do worry about…yep, there it is below again for you. 
    https://www.usdebtclock.org

    Oh look you’re and “issue guy” bit a “politics guy” but you’re literally parroting a presidential candidate. Let’s just pull chalks and go home, all we need is some subs and some nukes that’ll be much cheaper. That’s not how a global supply chain economy works. I mean just for example there is exactly 1 Nickel mine in the USA, and it’s closing. So what exactly are we doing to get that when stuff starts going sideways in any of the places we deploy to protect our interests?

    Again, you mentioned earlier “it’s not 1950” yeah boss it’s not 1854 either. That ocean on either side of our country isn’t an economic force field. We are dependent on a global supply chain system that will take decades of effort to move back into this hemisphere much less this country.

    You’re living in the most prosperous 70 years of human in the country sitting on top of the pile because we chose to not do after WWII what we did after WWI. The Russians and Chinese have no kidding threatened to annex countries by force. The Russians have actually done it. The next country after Ukraine that they have openly said they want has a 5/6 chance of being a NATO country. We’ve been here before, and appeasement/isolationism wasn’t the cheaper option.

    But keep bitching about the debt clock while you ignore all of that.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
    • Upvote 1
  15. Or maybe…your opinion is just that, an opinion, like mine.  My opinion just costs less than your’s.

    It’s costing my division ~3.5 billion dollars to deploy it to EUCOM. That’s just the cost of moving us and our stuff to and from. So every 8-9 months we’ve been spending that for almost the last ten years. That’s just the cost to the Army moving chess pieces in response to the Russians and their continued aggression in the region.

    That doesn’t include the cost of attrition in people (reenlistments are significantly lower) or the cost to replace equipment etc.

    Again…. Hobbling Russia to where we don’t have to keep doing that is a bargain for what it’s currently been and continues to cost.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
  16. Lawman it seems you cannot grasp other people have different opinions than you.  

    No I have a problem with people diametrically apposed to smart national security policy (and not because Biden said it) hiding behind some red herring issue to defend themselves or throwing out talking points only to be confronted with actual math and then throw some new chaff into the argument why we can’t….

    Again go back and read the dozen or so excuses thrown out of “why we can’t” or “we gotta first” and then look at the consensus potential of the current House or Senate. Guess what, you can’t have it all when you have the thinnest majority in either chamber in decades. If you think “this bill isn’t good enough and until!….” That’s idiotic obstructionism and it’s not really about moving the ball forward, it’s about getting to win the game without playing or you’ll take the ball home.

    And both parties do that shit and it’s gotta stop. We needed the infrastructure bill (go look at global supply chains and projected issues). We got to watch a minority group of idiots more interested in their political survival than actually what the country needed for months.

    If you want the bill that accomplishes all you need; than convince people to put a chamber together that represents that. Don’t tell me the solution to government and the reason we can’t address an issue is “until this one thing we deem the most important we won’t move forward.” That’s the current tack of the House Republicans demanding from the position of a majority that would fit in a Mazda Miata.

    But hey here’s Marjorie Taylor Green to make sure we fix the border…ed6e2d8f57947c07d2aa124e015874b3.jpg


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  17. You still don’t get it…I don’t care whether you like Trump or not.  I think he did some good things and definitely did some not so good things.  I am issues guy.  The Senate border bill was junk—and since I can think for myself, I can tell you why if you’re interested.  I have already explained why I am against more Ukraine funding.  As I said, I am able to think for myself, but if you want to listen to a bunch of Senators, then that’s on you…thankfully our political class is so genuine (that’s sarcasm btw).

    And in the last ten days you read that bill in its entirety when exactly?

    Again when the head of the organization that is critical of the current admin but is tasked with actually solving the issues on the border says “yes we want this by consensus.” That means a lot more than Trump screaming “this bill is bad” which he did 5 days before normal people could read it, and a bunch of reps in the house lining up to say “we don’t support this.” We know they didn’t do anything to actually make any improvement to the border except bitch about Biden.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  18. The border bill is not a “win”. Biden removed numerous executive orders on the border when he took over. It caused an exponential uptick in illegal immigrants. 
     
    and now three years later he holds the republicans hostage and blames THEM for not fixing the border? Come on bro. Be better. 

    https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/border-patrol-union-backs-senate-immigration-bill-despite/story?id=106969976

    Again the people tasked with actually dealing with the border would rather this than people like Marjorie telling us how Biden doesn’t want to secure the border for another 10 months.

    The kill the hostage method of government has nothing to do but make better sound bites for the low information electorate crowd. Same as when the squad sits in front of an infrastructure deal because it doesn’t do enough to address their required bullshit demands.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  19. Where did I call for more money for Israel?  And with me, it most definitely has to do with fiscal policy, especially when it comes to spending on problems abroad vs in our own backyard.  I’m against a lot of things in the world—that doesn’t mean I need to fund a force against such things, and yes, that includes Putin.  I have also plenty of times said we should reduce defense spending, not increase it.  This isn’t the 1950s, the 60s, and so on.  And you are clearly not worried about our fiscal situation if you think certain spending policies shouldn’t even warrant the discussion—fiscal policies have harmed countries far more often than by being destroyed by countries half a world away.  
     
    As for your issues with Trump, sorry man, but that’s on you.  I think he did a horrible job handling Covid, the spending, you name it.  If he’s right on the border issue then good on him.  I’m an issues guy, not a politician guy.  If you want someone to pick on, I mostly agree with Rand Paul and Thomas Massie, but not all the time.

    He’s not “right on the border issue” he is Right on Campaigning.

    Again the border bill you are now saying isn’t good enough was fine for the people in the Senate including republicans and the people tasked to enforce it representing Border patrol. All parties far more informed on the issue than the guy campaigning and his crack team of people who aren’t even in the room to read the thing for him.

    Trump opens his mouth to call it a bad deal and the Soundbite Republicans tank the thing.

    You’d have gotten a win, but it’s more important to the Trump alliance to make as many campaign issues as possible, to hell with fiscal policy or strategic policy and damn sure border policy. And now that it’s the decided position of anybody who it’s more important for Biden to lose than to actually take a W and walk with it, that bill “isn’t good enough.” But to paraphrase the Republican senator negotiating all the things they wanted to get it through at least it’s a starting place victory after decades of idle talk.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  20. Here you go bro (link at the very bottom)—you need it.  We don’t have an extra hundreds of billions of dollars between this bill and the other Ukraine funding bills when we can’t even prevent millions of people coming into this country illegally. My concern with Russia invading Ukraine, when an entire continent can support Ukraine if they wish, doesn’t come close to my concern for our country with what has been going on with our border/handling of illegal immigration over the last 20-30 years (and probably even before then).  The GOP said no Ukraine funding without securing our border, and the GOP doesn’t believe that the Senate bill would have done that.  Now if the Dems want to tie HR2 to Ukrainian funding then I have no doubt it would pass (though I personally would still be against the Ukraine funding for the debt clock reason below).  
     
    So you’re right, this is about politics, on both sides—and fortunately it looks like the House GOP will finally at least take some sort of stand to what they said they believed in.  If the country wants something different then they can change it in the next year.
    https://www.usdebtclock.org

    But we can find money for Israel all by its self.

    No need to secure the border with that bill after all. The USBP union was in favor of the Senate bill (and they back Trump and have been vocal as hell of Biden) saying it was a win in the direction you are demanding we move first. Only after the guy no longer getting security briefings opened his mouth about it did we suddenly need to pause and it wasn’t good enough for Republicans in the house. While you’re freaking about that debt clock ask yourself how much we’re adding to it when we deploy my division this summer for yet another move on the strategic chess board because of what Russia started over a decade ago in Chechnya and Georgia.

    Again this has absolutely nothing to do with fiscal policy or getting X done before Y for most of you. We haven’t had a fiscally conservative executive or Congress since the first Bush. You’ve been told to appose Ukraine for whatever reason you can find just be apposed to the aid, despite the acknowledgment that doing so aids Putin in closing one more chapter in his eventual conflict with NATO (he’s said which countries he needs to have to say so over to be safe and it’s not ending with Ukraine). You made the smug comment Euros pay for it first, well if you get a calculator the place with less total GDP than us and going through a recession in a good chunk of its countries while facing far worse outlook in demographics is punching well into this fight. They’ve acknowledged what they miffed up for 3 decades, Russia is not our friend and actively working to destabilize the region and now actively willing to start wars in what it views as its vassal states. The debt clock won’t mean shit if we get dragged into an Article 5 war over this because we passed up the chance to let them culminate in the Donbass and end their ability to conduct offensive operations around where the Dniper River runs.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  21. Fine. Fix that bill. Then you can have the Ukraine bill.
     
    I think you're trying to lump too many people into one group. At no point have I objected to spending the money on Ukraine, and I do not object to it now. In fact I have disagreed with those who claim we shouldn't be spending money on Ukraine because we have problems at home. We can do both.
     
    What we can't do is only support Ukraine, and continue to let our domestic issues languish. Both, or nothing.
     
    Politics is about negotiating, an inescapable, if sometimes unpleasant, reality. The Republicans are not crazy about funding Ukraine, and the Democrats are not crazy about fixing the border.

    Do you honestly believe government can or should function that way? M2 and Helo are perfect examples of this not being about any issue except to use it as a cudgel to get other things and then never approve it even when shown they are getting action. “Europe must!” Well guess what they have. Plus actions in congress are not linear action. The government doesn’t simply sit and only work one issue then move to the next. Two the hijacking at the floor of any issue for some non related issue leads to nothing getting done on any issue. Business is performed in committee; and then the floor is simply short debate and voting, but now that the blowhard faction of sound bite happy congressional reps have realized they can get reelected through accomplishing nothing but making YouTube statements we’ve reversed that process to the floor being where things get decided. We watched democrats try the same bullshit with the infrastructure bill demanding massive climate change or they would veto it. They accomplished nothing but delaying needed restoring of our home industrial base because they wanted it all and would kill the hostage if they didn’t get it.

    This is why the output of Congress is something like 20% of the last one, and has been exponentially decreasing in effective work for the past decade or two. It’s not about actual governing, it’s about placing whatever sacred electoral issue gets your region sparked for reelection so you can stand there and demand it be addressed or you will kill the hostage.

    Like what idiocy would that lead to?

    “My fellow Congressional reps before we open the voting on Ombibus bill 11476c Id like to address that we have through bipartisan committee managed to secure funding for the border wall, end college loan repayment, defund planned parenthood, and provide aid and material to forces fighting in Ukraine… The chair now recognizes the gentleman from Ohio.”

    “Yes Mr Speaker! I and my fellow _____ caucus members will not be supporting this bill because it provides 40k in funding to the lesbian Arts center of Philadelphia and also as my constituents have expressed concern that Belgium is still a socialist country and hasn’t provided X billion in funding! We demand this bill be voted down!”


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  22. Cool story—how much is the EU giving to the US compared to what we’re spending on their continent?  I think it’s safe to say that Europe has a lot more to risk than we do…so yeah, let’s let them cover it.  Unless the EU is trying to send billions of dollars to the US for our border security that I’m not aware of?  Let me know when they stop their crazy socialism in order to provide more for defense of their continent…until then, the US is broke.

    So when confronted with actual hard numbers (which have only gone higher and more in their favor by their recent bill) you now resort to “well they should pay for our border.” Is that before or after they “abandon socialism.”

    Like I said this has absolutely nothing to do with the validity of what reason you give, you’ll just adopt a new self justification when you find out that goal line has already been achieved so you can continue to be opposed for any reason. So why should Europe pay for the border now exactly? Because that’s absolute horse shit when the guys at JTF-North would rather have the Mexicans change their constitution so we can use the resources already down there not just throw money at the problem unrelated to Ukraine.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  23. It's a garbage bill. Plain and simple. It does not fix the problems at the border, and exists solely to take away the Republican talking point going into the election. I 100% support torpedoing that bill.
     
    I'm completely in favor of supporting Ukraine, but they exist to me as just one issue facing this country, not *the* issue.
     
    For better or worse, Ukraine is not an issue that unites the Republican party. However it seems like the issue is of minimal importance to the Democrats as well. There are at least well-reasoned arguments on both sides surrounding the Ukraine debate. There are absolutely no well-reasoned arguments supporting the absolute dumpster fire situation at our Southern border. Democrats would condition aid for Ukraine on perpetuating an overtly anti-American border policy, and as such they can be trusted with *nothing* that isn't codified in legislation.
     
    How many times are Republicans going to fall for Democratic border "solutions?" No more. The Democrats dug themselves into this hole, and they can easily dig themselves out by simply fixing the border problem. Instead, for whatever unfathomable reason, they wish to perpetuate the millions of illegal aliens coming to this country, while still hoping to neutralize the issue going into the presidential election.
     
    Let's say that they are successful, and as a result are able to retain control of the White House for another 4 years. I believe that would be terrible for the country, and far worse than whatever is going to happen to Ukraine, especially considering that even the positive possible outcomes in the Ukraine conflict are nullified by incompetent American leadership in the following years.

    Then fix THAT bill.

    Stop the bullshit of “we will do X if we get everything in the Border Bill we want” when we know the second it’s threatening getting Trump into full campaign mode we will sacrifice that as well.

    Ukraine/Israel/climate change/whatever new issue excuse to avoid funding something has absolutely F-all to do with the southern Border and should be governed in laws as such.

    The people now stepping forward to say “not without the border” in this thread only to immediately pivot to “Europe should pay first” when they are have simply decided whatever yardage or reason they will move the goal posts because NO is their only answer in regards to Ukraine.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  24. That border bill out of the Senate was junk IMO…and the Senate refused to even take up the border bill passed by the House a while back.  So let’s not pretend that politics is beings played in the House but not in the Senate.  Does anybody really believe that the Democrats want to secure the border?
     
    Let Europe deal with the Ukraine issue wrt spending billions of dollars if they’re so concerned.  

    They have been.

    Despite a lower combined GDP, the Euro NATO countries are actually outspending us when it’s in our best interest not to get stuck solving the third European World War

    bcaead447475636c3a521db98afcc554.jpg


    You guys can quit searching for excuses and just come out and say your reason for not supporting action in Ukraine is simply to be contrarian to the current party in charge. First it was “but mah border,” now it’s, “well Europe should pay first….”

    They already are. Also give a comparison in total dollars of mil equipment donated by us vs Ze Germans. For anybody familiar with how much equipment they have just lying around on hand they are punching well above their weight.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    • Like 1
    • Haha 1
    • Upvote 1
    • Downvote 2
×
×
  • Create New...