Nineline
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This Korea alcohol thing is over the top bullshit. I think it is an unlawful order. Good order and discipline my ass. Some commanders have lost their f*ing minds with this "treat people like children" mentality of leadership. JQP's Camp Air Force article is spot on. I recommend you read it and apply it to your leadership style.
This! It's reassuring to see a senior leaders viewpoint that jives with common sense. Hit me up if you find yourself passing through Osan... The first round is on me. (Though, as long as it's not within the next 30 days of course.)
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Per JQ Public on facebook:
I'd love to hear the JAG explain the "valid military necessity" behind this order. Things like this reinforce the idea that the Air Force is becoming little more than a playground for people who have excessive power and no idea how to wield it responsibly. Of course, when you have hierarchy, a strict loyalty culture, and a penchant for career-ending crackbacks underscoring every order given, who's to say an order is misguided? No one.
As is always the case with idiotic bullshit like this, the targets of the rule will just break it anyway (or get pie-eyed and walk through downtown Seoul in a jock strap and a sailor hat on Day 31), while everyone else didn't need to be told in the first place.
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Truth to this?

Awesome! Just in time for my arrival next week for my remote to Osan! I am especially thankful for the 2200 curfew, as forcing me to be in my room at night is extremely helpful in changing my sleep patterns to accommodate the 15 hour time difference.
I also look forward to goal development planning, more AT/FP, SAPR and alcohol briefings as mandated by 7AF/CC during in-processing.
But seriously, two questions:
1. How on earth do they expect to enforce this? Or is it mainly used as justification to throw the book at someone who has an alcohol related incidentI?
2. Is it "all military members" as the sign above states or is this an AF specific policy as reported in the article linked earlier in this thread? It's complete BS if this is AF only. And it seems that TDY personnel on the ROK are exempt from this policy. WTFO?
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I'll bite. I love my job. It's one of the small corners of the Air Force that still values airmanship, camaraderie, and selflessness. I enjoy serving my Country. Strapping into a jet at 0600 for a pattern-only sortie is worth dealing with the queep.
That said, had I been stuck in my previous assignment any longer (ACC multi-engine Tactical ISR prop), I would have applied for VSP or separated at the end of my commitment.
Alright dude, let's call a spade a spade. It's hypocritical to state "I love serving my country" followed by "... In my previous assignment ... I would have separated." Truth be told, your enjoyment of serving your country only occurs when you enjoy what you are doing. Not that there is anything wrong with that; I'd argue that most if not all of us are the same way. But don't use the "I bleed red, white, and blue" rationale when there are clearly strings attached.
I've also noticed that assignments usually get less fun with age. How long have you been a part of this new job you love?
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Hunch regarding that '06 majors board: it could be early in the year to avoid conflicting with a RIF. Just ask your nearest '05 about the BS involved with doing RRFs and PRFs at the same time.
Or you could ask any '01 dude whose in an overage AFSC.. they'll be pushing their O-5 PRF's forward this fall at about the same time as the RIF board is deciding their fate.
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Personally I'd take the LICWO route. The rotator to Osan is an ass pain; commercial direct to Seoul is the way to go.
What's so bad about the rotator vs. flying commercial? On the surface, it seems that going direct to Osan instead of connecting through Narita and ending up at Incheon would be the way to go.
Please elaborate.
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FG or someone else in the know...
I'm leaving to Osan this summer on a 1 yr remote and I'm planning on moving my family to a designated location while I'm OCONUS. With that said, I have a few questions...
According to the JFTR U5120 H:
A unit member who is required to travel on a PCS from a CONUS PDS to an OCONUS PDS with the unit for an unaccompanied tour may escort dependents from the old PDS to a designated place, and return to the PDS before departure for the OCONUS PDS. This member is authorized round trip PCS allowances between the old PDS and the designated place; however, the allowable travel time for return to the PDS is limited to constructed travel time (par. U3005-A) as if the travel had been performed by GOV’T procured transportation.1. Does this mean that I get travel days and per diem to accompany my family to their designated location (i.e. not charged leave)? And is the travel time based upon driving 350 miles/day plus one additional day to fly back to my PDS?
2. I believe that I'm allowed the standard house hunting PTDY time to relocate my family. Can I use this in conjunction with house hunting?
3. If my family chooses to fly to the designated location and I drive the vehicle, does this still apply? If so, will there be a change in travel time to the designated location?
4. I'd like to fly from the designated location direct to the outbound rotator, but the JFTR above states that I'm only allowed to return to the PDS meaning that I'll need another flight from my PDS to the rotator. Can this be avoided? The only answer TMO could give me was a LICWO letter and tell me that I'd have to pay the difference in airfare (if any).
Thanks,
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Has anyone had any first hand experience with Ruger's SR-762? The few reviews I've read have a bunch of good things to say about it.
I've been researching semi-auto .308 battle rifles and on the surface $1600 (street price) seems to be one of the best values out there for a piston .308 (especially considering that I initially had my sights on a SCAR heavy).
If you have any good or bad stuff to say about Ruger's offering, I'd like to hear it.
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I'm having a problem with TMO and need regs/ammo to fight this.
Story: PCSd from Florida to Wyoming with TDY enroute at Little Rock. Partial DITY/PPM the entire trip. I got empty and full weight tickets for both legs of the move. I filed my DITY paperwork and have received two payments. Here's the problem:
They only paid me for 600 pounds Florida to LR and LR to WY. They are refusing to pay me for the remainder of my weight from FL to WY. As I understand it, I should have received payment for 600 pounds FL-LR-WY and the remainder of the weight from FL-WY. TMO here says they already "used" my 4 weight tickets on the 2x 600 pound moves and cannot reuse those weights for the remainder of my weight for the FL-WY move.
He quoted me this JFTR Supplement as his basis of refusal:
So... anyone got any ideas?
Ask for the weight tickets you provided back, copy them on the nearest copier, and then provide two sets of weight tickets (one for the PPM and one for the TDY enroute). If he won't accept it, take it up with his supervisor. Press it higher if you're still not satisfied with the answer and you'll eventually get someone who can tell this asshat to stop being a douche. I would hope that anyone in a uniform who has done a TDY enroute will sympathize with you.
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Crap, I deploy in 3 weeks. How long did it take them to approve you after you submitted the paper work/email? (All I have done is emailed them w/attached memo and gotten a reply that it's in the works...about two weeks ago now).
It only took a few days to get the price list and ordering instructions sent to my .mil email. Maybe you'll have a welcome home gift upon your return from deployment?
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Looking for a Mk4 3.5-10x40 and maybe a spotting scope.
I haven't gotten approved yet so nothing solid on pricing, but I've heard it's a significant amount off (rumor is 50%).
I grabbed a Mark AR and some accessories from this program in Dec. Savings hovered around 40% from their 2013 Mil/LE price list; I haven't seen the 2014 price list to see if anything has changed. Once I submitted my order, it took about 4 weeks to receive everything. They never forwarded any tracking numbers so I had no idea it shipped until it showed up on my doorstep.
Good deal overall, I would order more if my wallet could take the punishment!
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See above. TAMP is Transitional Assistance Management Program. This gives you 180 days of Tricare following invol sep. TAP is Transition Assistance Program. This is a program that is mandated by congress for all military member separating or retiring from the military. This is where you learn to be a civilian and write resumes and do job interviews, etc.
Apparently it wasn't just me that didn't understand the difference... it was also the authors of the PSDM.
From PSDM 13-130 attachment 10: "9. Officers approved for VSP are not authorized Transition Assistance Program (TAP) benefits."
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A few items of interest/questions from this debacle that's slowly unfolding...
1. It looks like there isn't any current ADSC's that would prohibit one from applying for VSP if eligible (to include the bonus).. correct? And you even get to keep the portions of the bonus you have earned if you're RIF'd; does this also apply to VSP?
2. Both VSP and RIF programs will allow you to keep your post-9/11 GI bill transfers even if your ADSC isn't complete as long as the transfer was initiated before you knew you were separating.
3. According to the PSDM, VSP'd dudes don't get TAP but RIF'd dudes do, FWIW.
4. We know by now that the VSP payout will come out of your mil retirement if you end up earning one in the guard/reserve. Does the same hold true for the RIF payout?
5. There is some really confusing language in PSDM 13-130 regarding those eligibles who might be PCSing or deploying during the RIF timeline, to include voluntary and involuntary extending DEROS for those eligible and OCONUS. From what I read, expect unprecedented assignment shenanigans if you're RIF eligible and working/expecting a summer/fall PCS or deployment. Additionally, expect even more AFPC shenanigans if you're retained, as they'll need to fill all those last minute empty billets by those who GTFO.
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High correlation of SOS DG and IDE selects? Can you show me the numbers? Personally, I think most of you are posting what you'd like to believe, not reality. I was the only DG (and Top Contributor) in my SOS flight... No school. My wing had a guy that was the number one SOS grad in his entire class... No school. Just about every pilot in my community was SOS DG, but only a small percentage were IDE selects. In my SOS class, I'd say at least two-thirds of the DGs were pilots, mostly 11Fs. The problem lies in the reality that fighter pilots can't be the only people that get the limited number of in-res IDE slots. The Air Force wants/needs diverse AFSC representation at ACSC, etc... So, while SOS DG may be a big deal in your community and earns you the coveted "My #1 of 69 CGOs" strat, DG is meaningless in a community where everyone is an SOS DG.
Like my commander said to me before leaving for SOS, "if you don't get DG, don't come back." It was expected that you'd be a DG out of SOS in my community. Oddly enough, the #1 strat that year was not a DG. He got in-res ACSC... More proof that strat is the only thing that matters.
This. My experience is exactly the same as Pancake's. In fact, based upon his example, I initially thought we were from the same wing. The main discriminator for IDE in res? Your strat and push from the wing. If SOS DG doesn't get you a DP and the wing's top push at your O-4 PRF, then there isn't much it is going to do other than be a final discriminator if you sit on the cut line at your next promotion board.
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Thats how the math worked out for mine..based off the day I clicked the button online. I'm a little pissed because according to what I can figure, the delay in relasing the ACP cost anyone who didn't start UPT after 26 June 2002 $69.43 per day. The website was down 2 days after release....boom goes $140.
The same goes for dudes whose ASD was between 1 Oct 2012 and the release, since they're limited by 20 YAS but weren't able to sign. For you, di1630, I estimate that cost you about $20K.
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Chang,
Holy hypocrisy batman! In no less than 30 hours, you went from:
Second post first- yes, the last twelve years have sucked from a family perspective- do not think your senior leaders don't recognize that... The bonus is all about the numbers and the money. Period, dot.
To this:
But stop blaming the Air Force for your generally miserable attitude. Military life is good- look at the retention numbers that are public. RECORD LEVELS.
And then ended on this:
Sorry I'm old fashioned, but please tell me this isn't about personal financial gain for you for the next 5 years.
The word of the day today is now "gratitude" everyone.
So, the bonus is all about the money, but my motivations for taking it shouldn't be about financial gain. And even though the last 12 years have sucked, I shouldn't blame the Air Force for that and military life is good due to the sole fact that retention is high. Really?
Now you might argue that I'm taking your quotes out of context, but I don't think I am. And I'm willing to bet most of the members of this forum would agree.
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Spartacus, thanks for not outing me. I've been a guest reader or "lurker"as some call it for many years, but only recently started posting. This is a great blog and I value the many different perspectives. There are a few disgruntled and toxic assholes here, but there are a few everywhere. I enjoy the humor, sarcasm and pilot centric views here. I've never been called a spineless manager or careerist. Champ is wrong for insinuating it. I completely understand that my perspective may not be popular, or even right, but I shouldn't have to post my hours, medals, job title or bio to make a point. Most here don't. And just because we spend 2 million dollars to train a Lt how to fly doesn't mean they will be good at it, be a good officer or be worthy of promotion years later. You need to earn it and the competition is tough. I've seen plenty of "shoe clerks" lead maintainers, defenders, civil engineers, contracting and comm professionals in combat and run circles around some of our three foot zipper wearing sun gods who think we owe them something for mediocre work and an elitist attitude. Those that think "shoe clerks" aren't worthy of respect and support are morons. They would get our Air Force put back in the Army if they were allowed to make big boy decisions instead of just bitch. Fortunately, these morons won't make any important decisions because our system won't let them. I guess we will just keep telling these morons they are great fifth string QBs and that they would be really good coaches if they weren't screwed out of the chance to coach by spineless managers at the promotion board.
Thanks for the pep talk, coach! Just when I thought we ran out of kool-aid, you make some more and totally redeem yourself!
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Devils advocate could say they will send the bonus signers to RPAs because those dudes can't opt out. Why send a free agent to a bad deal when they can punch and you burn several 11Fs just to get one taker? They can send one dude with a 7-year bonus commitment to the bad deal and get two full assignments out of him. That's what scares me.
While I initially thought what you describe above was completely plausible and scary as shit, I then realized that Big Blue NEEDS dudes to take the bonus. We all know that the only way AFPC can make an attempt to manage the rated force is by using the bonus as a crutch. If they started handing shit sandwiches to those who signed up for a few more years, then no one would sign up.
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Why you gotta be throwing out all those dissertation-like big words? Didn't you hear that the CSAF said we shouldn't concern ourselves with a graduate degree until O-6? How many O-6+ officers do you think you're preaching to here? If it isn't a familiar word in the 11-2 series of AFIs or 60:1 rule math based problem, I'm probably not going to understand your point. (Truth be told, I probably won't understand the 60:1 math rule problem either.)
You know what'll be more to my liking? Having a discussion where you acknowledge that your ideals have problems too.
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